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DN4CAAD
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Are all post-2015 A333s 242t variants?

Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:50 am

Can’t find info on this, but are all A333s after 2015 the 242t variant or did some airlines opt for lower MTOW for whatever reason? Is there anyway to tell besides the flap mech canoes being reshaped?
 
ADM94
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Re: Are all post-2015 A333s 242t variants?

Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:23 am

I believe all A330s—including the -200s—post-MSN 1627 (DL's N822NW) are capable of being certified at 242T MTOW, but they could be certified at lower weights, if desired.

For example, around the same time, Airbus began offering an A330-300 "Regional" variant certified at 199T, which I believe was said to be upgradeable to the 242T variant through a paperwork change.
 
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Re: Are all post-2015 A333s 242t variants?

Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:25 am

ADM94 wrote:
I believe all A330s—including the -200s—post-MSN 1627 (DL's N822NW) are capable of being certified at 242T MTOW, but they could be certified at lower weights, if desired.

For example, around the same time, Airbus began offering an A330-300 "Regional" variant certified at 199T, which I believe was said to be upgradeable to the 242T variant through a paperwork change.


So if it is just a matter of paperwork, why the distinction?
 
MeCe
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Re: Are all post-2015 A333s 242t variants?

Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:31 am

blandy62 wrote:
ADM94 wrote:
I believe all A330s—including the -200s—post-MSN 1627 (DL's N822NW) are capable of being certified at 242T MTOW, but they could be certified at lower weights, if desired.

For example, around the same time, Airbus began offering an A330-300 "Regional" variant certified at 199T, which I believe was said to be upgradeable to the 242T variant through a paperwork change.


So if it is just a matter of paperwork, why the distinction?


May be landing fees etc. But I dont think it is only paperwork, at some point engine thrust must me derated.
 
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Re: Are all post-2015 A333s 242t variants?

Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:36 am

blandy62 wrote:
ADM94 wrote:
I believe all A330s—including the -200s—post-MSN 1627 (DL's N822NW) are capable of being certified at 242T MTOW, but they could be certified at lower weights, if desired.

For example, around the same time, Airbus began offering an A330-300 "Regional" variant certified at 199T, which I believe was said to be upgradeable to the 242T variant through a paperwork change.


So if it is just a matter of paperwork, why the distinction?


Marketing, I guess? Though I think the Regional variant had lower-thrust engines, as well, so I guess a 242T conversion would also require a change to the engines' programming.

The main point is, from a technical standpoint, all A330s post-MSN 1627 are built as 242T a/c, but whether they're actually, officially certified at that MTOW is up to the operator.
 
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Re: Are all post-2015 A333s 242t variants?

Sat Aug 28, 2021 5:38 am

Could a non 242 be converted to a 242 with fuel tank modifications?
 
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Re: Are all post-2015 A333s 242t variants?

Sat Aug 28, 2021 2:18 pm

DN4CAAD wrote:
Could a non 242 be converted to a 242 with fuel tank modifications?


Only if it’s MSN 1627 or higher
 
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Re: Are all post-2015 A333s 242t variants?

Sat Aug 28, 2021 8:13 pm

MeCe wrote:
blandy62 wrote:
ADM94 wrote:
I believe all A330s—including the -200s—post-MSN 1627 (DL's N822NW) are capable of being certified at 242T MTOW, but they could be certified at lower weights, if desired.

For example, around the same time, Airbus began offering an A330-300 "Regional" variant certified at 199T, which I believe was said to be upgradeable to the 242T variant through a paperwork change.


So if it is just a matter of paperwork, why the distinction?


May be landing fees etc. But I dont think it is only paperwork, at some point engine thrust must me derated.

RR WB engine de-rates make a significant, non-linear difference to monthly PBTH and maintenance fees. De-rates are variable on payment of a change fee with supporting paperwork.
 
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Re: Are all post-2015 A333s 242t variants?

Tue Aug 31, 2021 12:02 pm

blandy62 wrote:
ADM94 wrote:
I believe all A330s—including the -200s—post-MSN 1627 (DL's N822NW) are capable of being certified at 242T MTOW, but they could be certified at lower weights, if desired.

For example, around the same time, Airbus began offering an A330-300 "Regional" variant certified at 199T, which I believe was said to be upgradeable to the 242T variant through a paperwork change.


So if it is just a matter of paperwork, why the distinction?


As is often the case: money.

Airbus can charge more for a 242t A330, because it has extra capabilities, which the airline can turn into revenue, if they can use it, but offer more competitive prices for airlines that don´t need it. A regional A330 after all has to compete not just with 787s (and technically 767s i guess), but also the larger members of the 737 and A320 families.

And as MeCe pointed out: Fees at airports and for ATC are usually paid by MTOW in the Paperwork, not actual TOW. Some Airlines, i know for example Lufthansa is doing it, even change the paperwork for summer and winter seasons, since people tend to travel lighter in summer, less TOW needed for the mission, so less MTOW needed for the aircraft.

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