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GalaxyFlyer wrote:An 11 second final would be hard to explain in a discussion with the company FOQA team. I’ve seen a few short finals, too. A memorable one at Palermo, MD-80, IIRC, line-up occurred over the threshold, perfectly flown curving base leg, looked on speed, nice descent gradient, just a 5 second final. We were holding short, great to see, but FOQA would flag, I’d bet.
The usual VMC standard is 500’ AFE, on final, configured, on speed, power set.
HAWKXP wrote:Pass this thread on to any HA paniolo's you meet.
Aaron747 wrote:HAWKXP wrote:Pass this thread on to any HA paniolo's you meet.
Why would they be interested?
HAWKXP wrote:Aaron747 wrote:HAWKXP wrote:Pass this thread on to any HA paniolo's you meet.
Why would they be interested?
Local joke about the very, very tight base to final that a lot of HA drivers fly.
convair880mfan wrote:GalaxyFlyer,
Regarding visual approaches . . . How does that work? Does the aircraft request it and then need approval from ATC? Does ATC suggest it? I know there are published visual approaches like the one into DCA. I am not aware of any published visual approaches for Albuquerque although the weather conditions here are often VFR [clear and unlimited visibility?] or seem to be.
Maybe the flight I was on was shooting a visual approach? It came in over the eastern mountains, turned right and flew over Kirland Air Force Base and then turned west in an arc as if came in to land.
convair880mfan wrote:Regarding visual approaches . . . How does that work? Does the aircraft request it and then need approval from ATC? Does ATC suggest it?
IAHFLYR wrote:yes we (ATC) can assign a visual approach as well as the pilot can request it as well, but the pilot has to report the airport in sight and/or the preceded aircraft if they will be following one closely.
gloom wrote:A bit different at my country. You cannot directly offer VFR as ATC, as it's pilots to ask and decide. However, almost every pilot in the air would accept an indirect "airport on 11 oclock, 8 miles confirm in sight" and answer properly.
Cheers, Adam
IAHFLYR wrote:Just to clarify not to confuse the terms. While a visual approach is not a standard instrument approach procedure it is conducted by an aircraft on an instrument flight plan. I believe your reference to "VFR" is not referring to a VFR flight plan, but an aircraft operating on an instrument flight plan flying the visual approach in VMC is that correct?
gloom wrote:My mistake. I was thinking visual approach (on IFR flight), and somehow my fingers translated to VFR. Sorry, all of the above was on VMC approach for an IFR traffic.
Cheers,
Adam
convair880mfan wrote:Usually I will see airliners fly a straight line west and parallel to the runway. Then they turn and fly a straight line to Albuquerque VOR. Then turn and fly a long straight line to the east west runway. Occasionally I will see one skip these steps. It cross the mountains and then does a wide turn and there is only a short period when it is lined up with the runway.