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Which CAA’s allow A330/A350 and 777/787 common type ratings

Sat Dec 18, 2021 2:58 pm

FAA has A330 and A350 separate, along with the 777 and 787. Some EU countries like the Netherlands allow for pilots to fly the 777 and 787, and some like France do not. Could anyone make a list of which nations allow these types to be flown interchangeably, and which do not? Does anyone know why this discrepancy exists?
 
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Re: Which CAA’s allow A330/A350 and 777/787 common type ratings

Sat Dec 18, 2021 3:35 pm

Unlike the 757/767 and the A330/A340, the aircraft you mention are different airplanes on different certificates. The question becomes how much will the local regulator allow in terms of differences. For example, I know that at least some Air Canada pilots are certified to fly both the 787 and 777, but do need to maintain two type ratings. The rating course, however, is shorter when already rated on one, due to flight deck similarities.

In the US, aircraft type ratings are controlled almost as much by airline contracts as they are by actual regulation. For some maniacal reason, Delta still maintains a separate pilot group for the 767-400.
 
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Re: Which CAA’s allow A330/A350 and 777/787 common type ratings

Sat Dec 18, 2021 9:40 pm

N1120A wrote:
In the US, aircraft type ratings are controlled almost as much by airline contracts as they are by actual regulation. For some maniacal reason, Delta still maintains a separate pilot group for the 767-400.


Does the 764 require differences training? There have been some instances over the years of segregation to manage the amount of differences training required. For instance, WN segregated the 732s to Texas-based (or maybe just DAL-based) pilots toward the end of their service life even though it’s a common type rating with 733 and 735.
 
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Re: Which CAA’s allow A330/A350 and 777/787 common type ratings

Sat Dec 18, 2021 11:02 pm

Yes, a differences course, newer avionics, but the real reason at DL is $38/hour for captains. Horse trading during negotiations led to a breakout of the types because DL was willing to pay more for the 764. It also meant 764 crews wouldn’t be flying 757 ATL to Florida legs and paid that extra $38.
 
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Re: Which CAA’s allow A330/A350 and 777/787 common type ratings

Sun Dec 19, 2021 1:58 am

N1120A wrote:
Unlike the 757/767 and the A330/A340, the aircraft you mention are different airplanes on different certificates. The question becomes how much will the local regulator allow in terms of differences. For example, I know that at least some Air Canada pilots are certified to fly both the 787 and 777, but do need to maintain two type ratings. The rating course, however, is shorter when already rated on one, due to flight deck similarities.

In the US, aircraft type ratings are controlled almost as much by airline contracts as they are by actual regulation. For some maniacal reason, Delta still maintains a separate pilot group for the 767-400.


Your results may vary depending on location.

In my jurisdiction, A330 and A350 are considered the same type in terms of licensing. My type rating used to be "A330", but after we got the A350 and I did the course my rating has been "A330/A350". However, if you fly the A32x and the A330, they are considered separate types.

Funnily enough, the A330 and A340, which are basically the same aircraft, don't have a common type rating. Licensing seems to be in a different world from type certification. :? :? :?

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I believe the UAE considers 777 and 787 as the same type in terms of licensing.
 
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Re: Which CAA’s allow A330/A350 and 777/787 common type ratings

Sun Dec 19, 2021 2:07 am

N1120A wrote:
For example, I know that at least some Air Canada pilots are certified to fly both the 787 and 777, but do need to maintain two type ratings.


No line pilots. Only a handful of management pilots.
 
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Re: Which CAA’s allow A330/A350 and 777/787 common type ratings

Sun Dec 19, 2021 2:14 am

Starlionblue wrote:
N1120A wrote:
Unlike the 757/767 and the A330/A340, the aircraft you mention are different airplanes on different certificates. The question becomes how much will the local regulator allow in terms of differences. For example, I know that at least some Air Canada pilots are certified to fly both the 787 and 777, but do need to maintain two type ratings. The rating course, however, is shorter when already rated on one, due to flight deck similarities.

In the US, aircraft type ratings are controlled almost as much by airline contracts as they are by actual regulation. For some maniacal reason, Delta still maintains a separate pilot group for the 767-400.


Your results may vary depending on location.

In my jurisdiction, A330 and A350 are considered the same type in terms of licensing. My type rating used to be "A330", but after we got the A350 and I did the course my rating has been "A330/A350". However, if you fly the A32x and the A330, they are considered separate types.

Funnily enough, the A330 and A340, which are basically the same aircraft, don't have a common type rating. Licensing seems to be in a different world from type certification. :? :? :?

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I believe the UAE considers 777 and 787 as the same type in terms of licensing.


Hong Kong also seems to think single pilot operation is acceptable on 300 passenger aircraft, another idiotic move.
 
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Re: Which CAA’s allow A330/A350 and 777/787 common type ratings

Sun Dec 19, 2021 9:41 am

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Hong Kong also seems to think single pilot operation is acceptable on 300 passenger aircraft, another idiotic move.


Hong Kong follows EASA on most things, under EASA rules the A330/A350 are the same type rating, same with the 787/777. Finnair was flying the A330/A350 as a single type.

In the Middle East for example UAE also have pilots flying the 787/777 as a single type, EY was operating them like that. Australia also considers the 787/777 a single type.

There is no issue with operating them as a single type, the detail is in the preparation when the two types are introduced. The key is having the same procedures.
 
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Re: Which CAA’s allow A330/A350 and 777/787 common type ratings

Sun Dec 19, 2021 12:35 pm

N1120A wrote:
Starlionblue wrote:
N1120A wrote:
Unlike the 757/767 and the A330/A340, the aircraft you mention are different airplanes on different certificates. The question becomes how much will the local regulator allow in terms of differences. For example, I know that at least some Air Canada pilots are certified to fly both the 787 and 777, but do need to maintain two type ratings. The rating course, however, is shorter when already rated on one, due to flight deck similarities.

In the US, aircraft type ratings are controlled almost as much by airline contracts as they are by actual regulation. For some maniacal reason, Delta still maintains a separate pilot group for the 767-400.


Your results may vary depending on location.

In my jurisdiction, A330 and A350 are considered the same type in terms of licensing. My type rating used to be "A330", but after we got the A350 and I did the course my rating has been "A330/A350". However, if you fly the A32x and the A330, they are considered separate types.

Funnily enough, the A330 and A340, which are basically the same aircraft, don't have a common type rating. Licensing seems to be in a different world from type certification. :? :? :?

Image

I believe the UAE considers 777 and 787 as the same type in terms of licensing.


Hong Kong also seems to think single pilot operation is acceptable on 300 passenger aircraft, another idiotic move.


A330 and A350 have been safely operated as a single type for years. There are differences but the operating philosophy is the same and procedures are as similar as they can be.

Single crew ops aren't exactly in the works for imminent implementation in HK. There's a difference between news reports and reality.

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