.zeke wrote:Hi Mario,
Not sure how long it took you to make that post, it is very difficult to read with all of the embedded pictures. Would you be able to post that again without the manufacturers logos etc ?
Thank you
..Dear Zeke, I am very honored that a member of the forum like You, to whom I was feeling deep respect through all these years, has paid attention to my post. I was working on it for about some 2,5 months, about 200-250 working hours. I'm very sorry for everything that bothered You when reading it, so below You can see the same post without all those factory logos. It’s hard for me to explain my need for them; I don't use English in my communication, it’s not my native language, so all these little pictures help me to manage easier in the text. And ... maybe the reason of my need for such things lies in two armies, one war ...
230 voluntary blood donations ... which all left a mark on my mind and on my personality ... I don't know.
...I would take a little more time to free my post from some things that bother You and probably others in it, but yesterday in one moment I was suddenly interrupted by the call of my mother (76) who fell, broke her arm and injured her face, so I spent most of the day with her in the hospital. At the moment I have no more time for all this, and at the same time I wanted to answer as soon as possible.
...Thank You, once more, for taking the time and paying attention to my post. Good luck Zeke and take care of Yourself!
.rjsampson wrote:Yeah that was a massive post! But let's at least acknowledge the effort Mario put into it...
..Dear
rjsampson, I am extremely grateful to You for the words from which clearly springs Your understanding of the enormous effort I put into the writing my post. By Your words, You actually best described Yourself as a person worthy of all respect. I actually had to shorten the post

because the allowed number of te characters is
one hundred thousand...
.rjsampson wrote:I skimmed it quickly for something to which we could respond which is:
Regardless of the overall course of the events in 777X's development and the long delay of its introduction in the regular service, the question arises as to whether this aircraft is not becoming just too large and as such unnecessary for the airlines, just as was the case with the Airbus A380 (251 delivered)..... Even all this, untill now, has taken too long. I believe one day it will happen, but the airlines will have no patience or choice to wait on this plane forever. Their existing planes will start coming out of the lease, and the costs of maintenance, repair and overhaul will rise. If they'll be forced to it, they will look for the other options to replace them. And continue to live. Or to survive. With or without the 777X...
Mario (OP), is this what you'd like us to weigh in on?
..In all my effort to write that post, and much more to keep it alive, I lost a lot of energy so in the end I was no longer sure what people should refer to or to weigh in while reading it, but if I would chose it myself, it would definetely be the part You singled out.
...You did it for me,
rjsampson. Thank You very much.
.
..In the shadow of not so much surprising as disappointing news that the
Boeing 777X deliveries are now delayed until 2025, the
Thai Airways International PCL (TG / THA)'s
23rd
Boeing.777 (MTOW: 351.535 kg / 775.000 lbs) aircraft, the
17th of the type
777-300ER (
77W /
B77W); MSN
66586 / LN
1690, reg.
HS-TTC, first flight 27. Feb 2022, named 'Simongkhon' …
.(click for a larger view).
....
...… equipped with a 3-class cabin,
303 seats, cabin conf.
F8 C40 Y255 (** pre-existing fleet of
TG's 14
77W planes for INTCNTL and regional flights have a 2-class cabins,
348 seats, cabin conf.
C42 Y306. Back in 2010-2013
THAI operated 5
77W aircraft leased from
Jet Airways (
9W / JAI), with a 3-class cabins,
312 seats, cabin conf.
F8 C30 Y274 **) and powered by two
GE90-115B, 2-shaft, high-bypass TFs (fan diam.: 128,0 in / 3.251,2 mm; BPR: 9,0:1; eng. arch.:
1F+4LPC–9HPC〧2HPT–6LPT, OPR: 42,0:1), rated at 513,95 kN / 52.408 kgf / 115.540 lbf, delivered to
THAI (
TG / THA) on 22 / 23. Apr 2022, flying on the route
PAE -
BKK (FLT
TG8929) is the latest delivered
Boeing 777 aircraft, also built in
Boeing Everett Factory that seats at the NE corner of the
Paine Field (
PAE / KPAE), a commercial and general aviation airport serving the
Seattle metropolitan area, WA. That was the
6th
Boeing 777 plane delivered in 2022.
.…
...Before the mentioned
Boeing 777-300ER aircraft; MSN
66586 / LN
1690, reg.
HS-TTC, two identical planes were delivered to
THAI on 05 / 06. Apr 2022:
...● MSN
66587 / LN
1683, reg.
HS-TTA, test reg.
N55141, named 'Alongkorn', first flight 26. Jan 2021
..● MSN
66588 / LN
1687, reg.
HS-TTB, test reg.
N5513H, named 'Theppharat', first flight 22. Jan 2021
.(click for a larger view).
....
...It's rather odd for
THAI to be taking the new aircraft deliveries at this time for a multiple reasons; the airline has been in bankruptcy protection for years, but it has also faced liquidation, retired numerous planes, cut routes, laid off staff, and the list goes on.
THAI has gotten rid of all the planes that previously had a First Class cabin: 6
Airbus A380-841, 4
Airbus A340-541, 6
Airbus A340-642 and 16
Boeing 747-4D7. But
TG needs new planes, either way, no matter of their current financial situation. The fleet has lost a large number of long-haul planes and to be a carrier of national and international prestige they should at least operate some planes with the First Class service, especially on high yield routes which for
THAI are probably London, Paris and Zurich. Currently, besides 6
Boeing 777-200ER and 17
Boeing 777-300ER planes, there are 12
Airbus A350-941, 6
Boeing 787-8 and 2
Boeing 787-9 planes in
THAI's fleet. Altogether
43 wide-bodies.
.….On the
Skyliner...
...● The
THAI's
Boeing 777-300ER aircraft; MSN
66586 / LN
1690, reg.
HS-TTC, departed
Paine Field (PAE / KPAE) on 22. Apr 2022, 23:29 UTC and landed at
Suvarnabhumi Airport (BKK / VTBS) on 23. Apr 2022, 15:14 UTC.
.…
…..Boeing 777-300ER; MSN 66586 / LN 1690, reg. HS-TTC - ferry flight TG8929...There are in total
1683 delivered
Boeing 777 aircraft and
832 of the type
777-300ER. The first
Boeing.777 plane was delivered on 15. May 1995 to
United Airlines (
UA / UAL) and it was the model
777-222; MSN
26916 / LN
7, reg.
N777UA, with a 2-class cabin,
364 seats, cabin conf.
C28 Y336 and powered by two
PW4077, 2-shaft, high-bypass TFs (fan diam.: 112,0 in / 2.844,8 mm; BPR: 6,2:1; eng. arch.:
1F+6LPC–11HPC〧2HPT–7LPT, OPR: 31,5:1), each rated at 355,68 kN / 36.269 kgf / 79.960 lbf.
.Quote from the
article:
...Boeing delivered 24 777s in 2021.
..
….Boeing 777 - deliveries in 2021...I entered the customers code in the tables above although
The Boeing Company dropped the customers' codes as of September 2016, bringing them in the alignment with
737 MAX and
787 lines. The changes are effective with the following Line Numbers (LN) for each respective Production Line:
...●
Boeing 737NG; MSN 44746 / LN
6082..●
Boeing P-8 Poseidon; MSN 44950 / LN
6020..●
Boeing 747-8; MSN 38076 / LN
1534..●
Boeing 767; MSN 41858 / LN
1102..●
Boeing 777; MSN 62439 / LN
1422...In a 27 years of the serial production
Boeing.777 was produced in a three basic variants:
777-200,
777-300 and
777 Freighter.
..Of the
1683 in total delivered
Boeing 777 aircraft:
...●
1283 (76,3 %) were powered by either
GE90, 2-shaft, high-bypass TFs (fan diam.: 123,0 in / 3.124,2 mm; BPR: (8,4-9,0):1; eng. arch.:
1F+3LPC–10HPC〧2HPT–6LPT, OPR: 40,0:1), rated b/w 360,62 kN / 36.773 kgf / 81.070 lbf and 432,81 kN / 44.135 kgf / 97.300 lbf or by
GE90, 2-shaft, high-bypass TFs (fan diam.: 128,0 in / 3.251,2 mm; BPR: 9,0:1; eng. arch.:
1F+4LPC–9HPC〧2HPT–6LPT, OPR: 42,0:1), rated b/w 492,69 kN / 50.240 kgf / 110.760 lbf and 513,95 kN / 52.408 kgf / 115.540 lbf;
...●
226 (13,4 %) were powered by
Trent 800, 3-shaft, high-bypass TFs (fan diam.: 110,0 in / 2.794,0 mm; BPR: 6,4:1; eng. arch.:
1F–8IPC=6HPC〨1HPT=1IPT–5LPT, OPR: 33,9-40,7:1), rated b/w 340,64 kN / 34.736 kgf / 76.580 lbf and 413,42 kN / 42.157 kgf / 92.940 lbf;
...●
174 (10,3 %) were powered by
PW4000-112, 2-shaft, high-bypass TFs (fan diam.: 112,0 in / 2.844,8 mm; BPR: 5,8-6,4:1; eng. arch.:
1F+6LPC–11HPC〧2HPT–7LPT, OPR: 30,3-42,8:1), rated b/w 344,47 kN / 35.126 kgf / 77.440 lbf and 440,55 kN / 44.924 kgf / 99.040 lbf.
.…
………...Boeing 777 - deliveries by Type, Model and Engine Factory (on 30. Apr 2022)...The series of the
General Electric.GE90, 2-shaft, high-bypass, TF engines with 128,0 in / 3.251,2 mm fan diam., models:
GE90-110B1/L rated at 492,69 kN / 50.240 kgf / 110.760 lbf,
GE90-113B rated at 505,01 kN / 51.496 kgf / 113.530 lbf and
GE90-115B rated at 513,95 kN / 52.408 kgf / 115.540 lbf, exclusive powerplants for the
Boeing's recent additions of the
777 aircraft family:
777-200LR (
77L),
777-300ER (
77W) and
777F (
77X), were designed with a lot of power and thrust reserve inside, rated not nearly to their upper limits. During the certification testing at
General Electric's outdoor test facility in Ohio, in December 2002, the
GE90-115B, 2-shaft, high-bypass TF (fan diam.: 128,0 in / 3.251,2 mm; BPR: 9,0:1; eng. arch.: 1F+4LPC–9HPC
〧2HPT–6LPT, OPR: 42,0:1), rated at 513,95 kN / 52.408 kgf / 115.540 lbf set a world record, reaching 568,93 kN / 58.014 kgf / 127.900 lbf of thrust. The engine ran for approximately 60 hours at triple red-line conditions: maximum fan speed, maximum core speed and maximum exhaust gas temperature, all that to evaluate the engine at its operational limits. It took
General Electric another 15 years (10. Nov 2017) to break the
record, which they did at 597,40 kN / 60.917 kgf / 134.300 lbf of thrust with the new
GE9X-105B1A, 2-shaft, high-bypass, TF engine (fan diam.: 134,0 in / 3.403,6 mm; BPR: 9,9:1; eng. arch.:
1F+3LPC–11HPC〧2HPT–6LPT, OPR: 60,0:1), rated at 489,30 kN / 49.895 kgf / 110.000 lbf. The engine passed through the full durability block test that replaces the usual "triple redline" test at maximum temperatures, pressures and speeds …
.
.As reported at the time by the several sources, the
777X’s engines have finished their flight tests in the Mojave desert aboard a modified
747-446 Propulsion Test Platform (PTP); MSN
26355 / LN
1024, reg.
N747GF, replacing one of its four
CF6-80C2B1F, 2-shaft, high-bypass TFs (fan diam.: 93,0 in / 2.362,0 mm; BPR: (4,97-5,31):1; eng. arch.: 1F+4LPC–14HPC
〧2HPT–5LPT, OPR: 27,1-31,8:1), rated at 254,26 kN / 25.927 kgf / 57.160 lbf, with the new
GE9X-105B1A, 2-shaft, high-bypass TF (fan diam.: 134,0 in / 3.403,6 mm; BPR: 9,9:1; eng. arch.: 1F+3LPC–11HPC
〧2HPT–6LPT, OPR: 60,0:1), rated at 489,30 kN / 49.895 kgf / 110.000 lbf.
...
….Boeing 747-446; MSN 26355 / LN 1024, reg. N747GF, Propulsion Test Platform...The
General Electric company acquired its
Boeing 747-446; MSN
26355 / LN
1024, reg.
JA8910, flying testbed from
Japan Airlines (
JL / JAL), modified it (winglets have been removed), strengthened the plane’s wing and strut to accommodate test engines. As the
GE9X engine is even larger than the
GE90, 2-shaft, high-bypass, TF engine, for testing it fits only
747-400 plane with the larger main gear struts and the bigger tires, and the tested engine is tilted 5° more than the original
CF6-80C2, 2-shaft, high-bypass TF.
The Boeing Company built a large, specially designed pylon for the testbed. Suspended on a 19,0 ft / 5,79 m strut, the fourth engine of the program has been mounted in November 2017 to begin flight testing at the end of 2017. The 134,0 in / 3.403,6 mm fan is encased in a 174,0 in / 4.419,6 mm nacelle, with 1,5 ft / 457,0 mm of the ground clearance. It weighs 40.000 lb / 18.144 kg with its custom pylon and wing strengthening, compared to 17.000 lb / 7.711 kg for the
CF6-80C2 engine and its pylon.
...In January 2017
GE Aviation accomplished the
last flight with their
747-121 Flying Test Bed; MSN
19651 / LN
25, reg.
N747GE, powered by four
JT9D-7A, 2-shaft, high-bypass TFs (fan diam.: 92,3 in / 2.340,0 mm; BPR: 5,0:1; eng. arch.: 1F+3LPC–11HPC
〧2HPT–4LPT, OPR: 23,4:1), rated at 205,29 kN / 20.933 kgf / 46.150 lbf (212,05 kN / 21.623 kgf / 47.670 lbf with the water injection).
...The
General Electric company acquired its
Boeing 747-121 flying testbed from
Pan Am (reg.
N744PA) in 1992, submitted it through the modifications like removing seats, strengthening the left wing and tail for flight testing and installing data systems. It began operations with
General Electric in 1993 at its Flight Test Operation facility, which was then located in Mojave, California.
...
..Image source: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ge-747-N747GE-020918-03.jpg...Image above:.GE Aviation’s
747-121 Flying Test Bed during the testing of the
GE90-115B, 2-shaft, high-bypass TF engine (fan diam.: 128,0 in / 3.251,2 mm; BPR: 9,0:1; eng. arch.:
1F+4LPC–9HPC〧2HPT–6LPT, OPR: 42,0:1), rated at 513,95 kN / 52.408 kgf / 115.540 lbf. During the
certification testing at
GE's outdoor test facility in Ohio, in December 2002, the
GE90-115B, 2-shaft, high-bypass turbofan set a world record reaching 568,93 kN / 58.014 kgf / 127.900 lbf of thrust. The engine ran for approximately 60 hours at triple red-line conditions: maximum fan speed
N1:
2.617 rpm (111,1 %), maximum core speed
N2:
11.321 rpm (121,3 %) and maximum exhaust gas temperature
EGT: 2.013 °F /
1.100,6 °C, all that to evaluate the engine at its operational limits.
...The
747-121 Flying Test Bed; MSN
19651 / LN
25, reg.
N747GE, provided critical flight data on more than 11 distinct engine models and 39 engine builds:
.●
GE90, 2-shaft, high-bypass TF (fan diam.: 123,0 in / 3.124,2 mm; BPR: (8,4-9,0):1; eng. arch.:
1F+3LPC–10HPC〧2HPT–6LPT, OPR: 40,0:1), rated b/w 360,62 kN / 36.773 kgf / 81.070 lbf and 432,81 kN / 44.135 kgf / 97.300 lbf, aimed for
777-200,
777-200ER and
777-300;
.●
GE90, 2-shaft, high-bypass TF (fan diam.: 128,0 in / 3.251,2 mm; BPR: 9,0:1; eng. arch.:
1F+4LPC–9HPC〧2HPT–6LPT, OPR: 42,0:1), rated b/w 492,69 kN / 50.240 kgf / 110.760 lbf and 513,95 kN / 52.408 kgf / 115.540 lbf, aimed for
777-200LR,
777-300ER and
777F;
.●
GEnx-1B, 2-shaft, high-bypass TF (fan diam.: 111,1 in / 2.821,9 mm; BPR: (8,0-9,3):1; eng. arch.:
1F+4LPC–10HPC〧2HPT–7LPT, OPR: 43,8-47,4:1), rated b/w 255,30 kN / 26.033 kgf / 57.394 lbf and 349,20 kN / 35.607 kgf / 78.500 lbf, aimed for
787;
.●
GEnx-2B, 2-shaft, high-bypass TF (fan diam.: 104,7 in / 2.659,4 mm; BPR: 8,0:1; eng. arch.:
1F+3LPC–10HPC〧2HPT–6LPT, OPR: 44,7:1), rated at 295,81 kN / 30.164 kgf / 66.500 lbf, aimed for
747-8;
.●
GP7200, 2-shaft, high-bypass TF (fan diam.: 116,0 in / 2.946,4 mm; BPR: 8,8:1; eng. arch.:
1F+5LPC–9HPC〧2HPT–6LPT, OPR: 36,1:1), rated b/w 332,44 kN / 33.899 kgf / 74.735 lbf and 357,10 kN / 36.414 kgf / 80.279 lbf, aimed for
A380;
.●
CFM56-2, 2-shaft, high-bypass TF (fan diam.: 68,3 in / 1.734,8 mm; BPR: (5,9-6,0):1; eng. arch.: 1F+3LPC–9HPC
〧1HPT–4LPT, OPR: 30,5-31,8:1), rated b/w 95,99 kN / 9.788 kgf / 21.580 lbf and 106,76 kN / 10.886 kgf / 24.000 lbf, aimed for
KC-135,
707-700 and
DC-8-70;
.●
CFM56-3, 2-shaft, high-bypass TF (fan diam.: 60,0 in / 1.524,0 mm; BPR: (5,9-6,0):1; eng. arch.: 1F+3LPC–9HPC
〧1HPT–4LPT, OPR: 27,5-30,6:1), rated b/w 89,41 kN / 9.117 kgf / 20.100 lbf and 104,60 kN / 10.666 kgf / 23.515 lbf, aimed for
737 Classic;
.●
CFM56-5A, 2-shaft, high-bypass TF (fan diam.: 68,3 in / 1.734,8 mm; BPR: (6,0-6,2):1; eng. arch.: 1F+3LPC–9HPC
〧1HPT–4LPT, OPR: 31,3:1), rated b/w 97,86 kN / 9.979 kgf / 22.000 lbf and 117,87 kN / 12.019 kgf / 26.498 lbf, aimed for
A319ceo and
A320ceo;
.●
CFM56-5B, 2-shaft, high-bypass TF (fan diam.: 68,3 in / 1.734,8 mm; BPR: (5,4-6,0):1; eng. arch.: 1F+4LPC–9HPC
〧1HPT–4LPT, OPR: 32,6-35,5:1), rated b/w 96,08 kN / 9.797 kgf / 21.600 lbf and 142,34 kN / 14.515 kgf / 32.000 lbf, aimed for
A320ceo family;
.●
CFM56-5C, 2-shaft, high-bypass TF (fan diam.: 72,3 in / 1.836,4 mm; BPR: (6,4-6,5):1; eng. arch.: 1F+4LPC–9HPC
〧1HPT–5LPT, OPR: 37,4-38,3:1), rated b/w 138,78 kN / 14.152 kgf / 31.200 lbf and 151,24 kN / 15.422 kgf / 34.000 lbf, aimed for
A340-200 and
A340-300;
.●
CFM56-7B, 2-shaft, high-bypass TF (fan diam.: 61,0 in / 1.549,4 mm; BPR: (5,1-5,5):1; eng. arch.: 1F+3LPC–9HPC
〧1HPT–4LPT, OPR: 32,8:1), rated b/w 91,63 kN / 9.344 kgf / 20.600 lbf and 121,43 kN / 12.382 kgf / 27.300 lbf, aimed for
737NG;
.●
LEAP-1A, 2-shaft, high-bypass TF (fan diam.: 78,0 in / 1.981,2 mm; BPR: 11,0:1; eng. arch.:
1F+3LPC–10HPC〧2HPT–7LPT, OPR: 43,68:1), rated b/w 106,80 kN / 10.891 kgf / 24.010 lbf and 143,05 kN / 14.587 kgf / 32.159 lbf, aimed for
A320neo Family;
.●
LEAP-1B, 2-shaft, high-bypass TF (fan diam.: 69,4 in / 1.762,8 mm; BPR: 9,0:1; eng. arch.:
1F+3LPC–10HPC〧2HPT–5LPT, OPR: 43,68:1), rated b/w 111,27 kN / 11.346 kgf / 25.014 lbf and 130,41 kN / 13.298 kgf / 29.317 lbf, aimed for
737 MAX;
.●
LEAP-1C, 2-shaft, high-bypass TF (fan diam.: 77,0 in / 1.955,8 mm; BPR: 11,0:1; eng. arch.:
1F+3LPC–10HPC〧2HPT–7LPT, OPR: 40,0:1), rated b/w 129,98 kN / 13.254 kgf / 29.221 lbf and 137,14 kN / 13.984 kgf / 30.830 lbf, aimed for
C919;
.●
CF34-1/3, 2-shaft, high-bypass TF (fan diam.: 44,0 in / 1.126,4 mm; BPR: 6,2:1; eng. arch.: 1F–14HPC
〧2HPT–4LPT, OPR: 21,0:1), rated b/w 38,48 kN / 3.553 kgf / 7.832 lbf and 38,83 kN / 3.960 kgf / 8.729 lbf, aimed for
CL-600,
CL-650,
CL-800,
CL-850 and
CRJ100/200/440;
.●
CF34-8C, 2-shaft, high-bypass TF (fan diam.: 46,2 in / 1.173,5 mm; BPR: 5,0:1; eng. arch.: 1F–10HPC
〧2HPT–4LPT, OPR: 28,5:1), rated b/w 56,36 kN / 5.747 kgf / 12.670 lbf and 64,54 kN / 6.581 kgf / 14.509 lbf, aimed for
CL-870 CS,
CL-890 CS,
CRJ700,
CRJ900 and
CRJ1000;
.●
CF34-8E, 2-shaft, high-bypass TF (fan diam.: 46,2 in / 1.173,5 mm; BPR: 5,0:1; eng. arch.: 1F–10HPC
〧2HPT–4LPT, OPR: 28,5:1), rated b/w 55,20 kN / 5.629 kgf / 12.409 lbf and 64,54 kN / 6.581 kgf / 14.509 lbf, aimed for
E170 and
E175;
.●
CF34-10A, 2-shaft, high-bypass TF (fan diam.: 53,0 in / 1.346,2 mm; BPR: 5,0:1; eng. arch.: 1F+3LPC–9HPC
〧1HPT–4LPT, OPR: 29,0:1), rated at 76,95 kN / 7.847 kgf / 17.300 lbf, aimed for
ARJ21;
.●
CF34-10E, 2-shaft, high-bypass TF (fan diam.: 53,0 in / 1.346,2 mm; BPR: 5,4:1; eng. arch.: 1F+3LPC–9HPC
〧1HPT–4LPT, OPR: 29,0:1), rated b/w 75,44 kN / 7.693 kgf / 16.960 lbf and 83,72 kN / 8.537 kgf / 18.821 lbf, aimed for
E190,
E195 and
Lineage 1000;
.●
Passport 20, 2-shaft, high-bypass TF (fan diam.: 52,0 in / 1.320,8 mm; BPR: 5,6:1; eng. arch.: 1F+3LPC–10HPC
〧2HPT–4LPT, OPR: 45,0:1), rated b/w 78,93 kN / 8.049 kgf / 17.744 lbf and 84,16 kN / 8.582 kgf / 18.920 lbf, aimed for
Global 7500 and
Global 8000.
...With
General Electric, the historic
Boeing 747-121 plane completed more than 3.600 flight hours and 775 cycles before its final flight in January 2017. Even it got a new livery in 2015, replacing the
GE Aircraft Engines’
old paint scheme with the
GE Aviation’s.
.
.The
777, commonly referred to as the
Triple Seven, a long-range, wide-body airliner, developed and manufactured by the
Boeing Commercial Airplanes (
BCA), the world's largest twin-engined aircraft, was designed to bridge the gap between
Boeing's other wide-body airplanes, twin-engined
767 and four-engined
747, but also to replace the older
McDonnell Douglas.DC-10 and
Lockheed.L-1011 TriStar trijets.
...As has the improving of the engine reliability of the twin-engined airliners allowed ETOPS operations for almost all routes, and those still existing restrictions were overcome by the lower operating costs compared to the quadjets, the more economical twinjets like:
A330,
A350,
787 Dreamliner and
777 have replaced the quadjets on many routes. This also marked the beginning of the end of four-engine airliners such as
A340 and
747. On 10. Nov 2011,
Airbus SE announced that the production of their
A340s reached its end, after 380 orders had been placed and 377
A340 aircraft delivered. One of those four-engined airliners I will personally miss the most is
A340-500IGW (MTOW: 380.000 kg / 840.000 lb), powered by four
Trent 556, 3-shaft, high-bypass TFs (fan diam.: 97,4 in / 2.474,0 mm; BPR: (7,32-7,6):1; eng. arch.:
1F–8IPC=6HPC〨1HPT=1IPT–5LPT, OPR: 35,6-36,7:1), rated at 260,05 kN / 26.518 kgf / 58.462 lbf.
...At some point, during the 1980s,
Airbus SE was developing the
A340 quadjet airliners in parallel with the
A330 series of the twinjet wide-body airliners. I believe it would be interested if we could have seen the twin-engined versions of
A340-500 and
A340-600, ie. models
A330-500 and
A330-600, powered by either two
Trent 800, 3-shaft, high-bypass TFs (fan diam.: 110,0 in / 2.794,0 mm; BPR: 6,4:1; eng. arch.:
1F–8IPC=6HPC〨1HPT=1IPT–5LPT, OPR: 33,9-40,7:1), rated b/w 340,64 kN / 34.736 kgf / 76.580 lbf and 413,42 kN / 42.157 kgf / 92.940 lbf (**
Trent 7000, 3-shaft, high-bypass, TF engine aimed for
A330-800 and
A330-900 has a larger fan diam. than
Trent 800, 3-shaft, high-bypass, TF engine aimed for
777-200,
777-200ER and
777-300 - fan diam.: 112,0 in / 2.844,8 mm vs. 110,0 in / 2.794,0 mm.
Trent 7000 is also a heavier engine than
Trent 800 - dry mass: 6.445 kg / 14.209 lb vs. 6.078 kg / 13.400 lbs **) or by two
GE90, 2-shaft, high-bypass TFs (fan diam.: 123,0 in / 3.124,2 mm; BPR: (8,4-9,0):1; eng. arch.:
1F+3LPC–10HPC〧2HPT–6LPT, OPR: 40,0:1, dry mass: 7.892 kg / 17.400 lb), rated b/w 360,62 kN / 36.773 kgf / 81.070 lbf and 432,81 kN / 44.135 kgf / 97.300 lbf, aimed for
777-200 (
772),
777-200ER (
772) and
777-300 (
773). While it would've required some wings' strengthening and possibly a gear extension, I guess
A330-500 /
A330-600 would've been a lot more competitive than were
A340-500 /
A340-600. A big point in the failure of the
A340-500 and
A340-600 was the overweight of their fuselages. Namely, after a certain point a long and skinny fuselage ends up being heavier than a wider and shorter fuselage …
...
...
.…………………………………..………
...Both companies,
General Electric and
Rolls-Royce, built and tested demonstrator engines:
GE90-115B and
Trent 8104 / 8115, however
GE Aviation's President and CEO James McNerney approached
Boeing Commercial Airplanes management with an offer to help pay for the development of the
77L,
77W and
77X if they were given exclusivity.
Pratt & Whitney was not even seriously considered due to the issues with their
PW4090 and especially
PW4098 engines. The rest of the (hi)story is known. I wonder if
777-200LR (
77L),
777-300ER (
77W) and
777F (
77X) would gain more orders if they were offered by
Trent 8100, 3-shaft, high-bypass TFs (fan diam.: 120,0 in / 3.048,0 mm; BPR: 6,4:1; eng. arch.:
1F–8IPC=6HPC〨1HPT=1IPT–5LPT, OPR: 45,0:1), rated up to 520,44 kN / 53.070 kgf / 117.000 lbf (scaled
Trent 800's core by 2,5 % geometrically and 5,0 % aerodynamically) as the another engine option …
...Although the twin-engined planes have largely overtaken the share of the passenger air transport compared to those four-engined planes, no matter if they were narrow-bodies or wide-bodies, long-haul or short-haul, the role of the quadjets remains indispensable when testing the new engine types, solutions and technologies. Let's mention some of them:
.●
A380-841; MSN
001, reg.
F-WWOW, powered by four
Trent 970B-84, 3-shaft, high-bypass TFs (fan diam.: 116,0 in / 2.946,4 mm; BPR: (8,5-8,7):1; eng. arch.:
1F–8IPC=6HPC〨1HPT=1IPT–5LPT, OPR: 39,0:1), each rated at 348,31 kN / 35.518 kgf / 78.303 lbf was used for testing of the
Trent XWB, 3-shaft, high-bypass, TF engines aimed for
A350, twin-engined, long-range, wide-body airliner. I hope one day we'll see
UltraFan, ‘2,5'-shaft, high-bypass, geared, TF engine (fan diam.: 140,0 in / 3.556,0 mm; BPR: 15,0:1; gear ratio: 4,0:1; eng. arch.:
1F-]PG[-3LPC–10HPC〧2HPT–4LPT, OPR: 70,0:1), rated at 387,0 kN / 39.463 kgf / 87.000 lbf, hanging on the wing of the
F-WWOW;
.●
A340-642; MSN
360, reg.
F-WWCA, powered by four
Trent 556-61, 3-shaft, high-bypass TFs (fan diam.: 97,4 in / 2.474,0 mm; BPR: (7,32-7,6):1; eng. arch.:
1F–8IPC=6HPC〨1HPT=1IPT–5LPT, OPR: 35,6-36,7:1), rated at 260,05 kN / 26.518 kgf / 58.462 lbf was used for testing the
PW1000G-JM, ‘2,5’-shaft, high-bypass,
GTF family of the engines;
.●
A340-311; MSN
001, reg.
F-WWAI, powered by four
CFM56-5C2, 2-shaft, high-bypass TFs (fan diam.: 72,3 in / 1.836,4 mm; BPR: 6,6:1; eng. arch.: 1F+4LPC–9HPC
〧1HPT–5LPT, OPR: 37,4:1), each rated at 138,78 kN / 14.152 kgf / 31.200 lbf was used for testing the
Trent 900, 3-shaft, high-bypass, TF engines aimed for
A380, four-engined, long-range, wide-body airliner.
...In September 2017 the same plane, after the extensive modifications during the course of a 16-month working party in Tarbes, France, was configured as a laminar-flow '
BLADE' test demonstrator, made its successful maiden flight and since then has been engaged in successful testing to explore the wing’s characteristics in flight. The plane, dubbed ‘Flight Lab,' was the first test plane in the world to combine a transonic laminar wing profile with a true internal primary structure.
.(click for a larger view)…
…
…
……Airbus A380-841, Airbus A340-642 and A340-311 testbed aircraft...Pratt & Whitney Engine Services, Inc uses for their engines' testing two
Boeing 747 airplanes:
.●
747SP-B5 airplane; MSN
22484 / LN
507, reg.
C-GTFF, powered by four
JT9D-7A, 2-shaft, high-bypass TFs (fan diam.: 92,3 in / 2.344,4 mm; BPR: 5,1:1; eng. arch.: 1F+3LPC–11HPC
〧2HPT–4LPT, OPR: 22,5:1), each rated at 205,29 kN / 20.933 kgf / 46.150 lbf;
.●
747SP-J6 airplane; MSN
21934 / LN
467, reg.
C-FPAW, powered by four
JT9D-7J, 2-shaft, high-bypass TFs (fan diam.: 92,3 in / 2.344,4 mm; BPR: 5,1:1; eng. arch.: 1F+3LPC–11HPC
〧2HPT–4LPT, OPR: 22,5:1), each rated at 216,41 kN / 22.067 kgf / 48.650 lbf.
.(click for a larger view).....................
...
…......................Pratt & Whitney Engine Services, Inc's Boeing 747SP-B5 and Boeing 747SP-J6 testbed aircraft...Before the
Rolls-Royce North America, Inc., a subsidiary of multinational corporation
Rolls-Royce Holdings plc acquired:
.●
747-438 Flying Test Bed; MSN
25566 / LN
1239, reg.
N747RR, powered by four
RB211-524G/H-T, 3-shaft, high-bypass TFs (fan diam.: 86,3 in / 2.192,0 mm; BPR: 4,3:1; eng. arch.:
1F–7IPC=6HPC〨1HPT=1IPT–3LPT, OPR: 32,8:1), rated at 264,45 kN / 26.966 kgf / 59.450 lbf, from
QANTAS in December 2019, they were using:
.●
747-267B Flying Test Bed; MSN
21966 / LN
446, reg.
N787RR, powered by four
RB211-524D4, 3-shaft, high-bypass TFs (fan diam.: 86,3 in / 2.192,0 mm; BPR: 5,0:1; eng. arch.:
1F–7IPC=6HPC〨1HPT=1IPT–3LPT, OPR: 29,5:1), rated at 231,22 kN / 23.578 kgf / 51.980 lbf.
.(click for a larger view).....................
...
….....................Rolls-Royce North America, Inc.'s Boeing 747-267B and Boeing 747-436 testbed aircraft...The Russian aviation for the purpose of testing the aircraft engines use five
PJSC Ilyushin Aviation Complex (
ПАО «Авиационный комплекс им. С.В. Ильюшина»)
Il-76LL, quadjet, military transport aircraft-based, flying testbeds, powered by four
PJSC «UEC-NPO Saturn» (
ПАО «ОДК-Сатурн» НПО)
D-30KP-2, 2-shaft, high-bypass TFs (fan diam.: 1.455,0 mm / 57,3 in; BPR: 2,24:1; eng. arch.:
3F–11HPC〧2HPT–4LPT, OPR: 20,1:1), each rated at 117,68 kN / 12.000 kgf / 26.455 lbf:
...●
Ilyushin Il-76LL; MSN
08-07, FN 073410308, reg.
76529..●
Ilyushin Il-76LL; MSN
52-09, FN 0073469074, reg.
76454..●
Ilyushin Il-76LL; MSN
39-08, FN 0043452549, reg.
76492..●
Ilyushin Il-76LL; MSN
56-02, FN 0073474208, reg.
76456..●
Ilyushin Il-76LL; MSN
74-06, FN 0093497942, reg.
76792.(click for a larger view)
..
..
..
..
…......Ilyushin Il-76 LL testbed aircraft; MSNs: 08-07, 52-09, 39-08, 56-02 and 74-06...The latest engines for which testings
Il-76LL flying testbeds were used for were
JSC «UEC-Aviadvigatel» (
АО "ОДК-Авиадвигатель")
PD-14, 2-shaft, high-bypass, TF engine (fan diam.: 1.900,0 mm / 74,8 in; BPR: 8,5:1; eng. arch.:
1F+3LPC–8HPC〧2HPT–6LPT, OPR: 41,0:1), rated at 137,29 kN / 14.000 kgf / 30.865 lbf and the more powerful version of the engine -
JSC «UEC-Aviadvigatel».PD-14M, 2-shaft, high-bypass, TF engine (fan diam.: 1.900,0 mm / 74,8 in; BPR: 7,2:1; eng. arch.: 1F+4LPC–8HPC
〧2HPT–6LPT, OPR: 46,0:1), rated at 152,98 kN / 15.600 kgf / 34.392 lbf, aimed for
JSC "Corporation "Irkut" (
ПАО «Корпорация „Иркут“)
MC-21-300, Russian, single-aisle, twinjet, narrow-body aircraft. The other engine option for this plane's propulsion is
PW1431G-JM, ‘2,5’-shaft, high-bypass, geared, TF engine (fan diam.: 81,0 in / 2.057,4 mm; BPR: 12,0:1; gear ratio: 3,0625:1; eng. arch.:
1F-]G[-3LPC–8HPC〧2HPT–3LPT, OPR: 50,0:1), rated at 140,44 kN / 14.321 kgf / 31.572 lbf. Interesting to mention that one more engine was once considered as the
JSC Irkut Corporation (
ПАО "Корпорация "Иркут")
MC-21-300’s powerplant, and that was
Ivchenko-Progress ZMKB (
ЗМКБ «Прогрес» ім. О.Г.Івченка)
AI-436T12 (previously known as
D-436ТH), 3-shaft, high-bypass, TF engine (fan diam.: 2.070,0 mm / 81,5 in; BPR: 10,35:1; eng. arch.:
1F-6IPC=7HPC〨1HPT=1IPT-3LPT, OPR: 26,33:1), rated at 117,68 kN / 12.000 kgf / 26.455 lbf.
...One more engine
Ilyushin Il-76LL testbeds were extensively used for its testing, otherwise intended for
SSJ100-NEW (
RRJ-95NEW-100) passenger plane, the latest version of the short-haul, narrow-body
SSJ100/95 (
RRJ-95) /
SBJ, powered by two
PowerJet.SaM146-1S18C, 2-shaft, high-bypass, TF engines (fan diam.: 1.224,3 mm / 48,2 in; BPR: 4,4:1; engine arch.:
1F+3LPC–6HPC〧1HPT–3LPT, OPR: 28,0:1), each rated at 73,32 kN / 7.477 kgf / 16.483 lbf, was
JSC «UEC-Aviadvigatel».PD-8, 2-shaft, high-bypass, TF engine (fan diam.: 1.230,0 mm / 48,4 in; BPR: 4,4:1; eng. arch.: 1F+3LPC–7HPC
〧1HPT–3LPT, OPR: 28,0:1), rated at 79,00 kN / 8.056 kgf / 17.760 lbf.
...I expect
Ilyushin Il-76LL flying testbeds to be reengined by four
JSC «UEC-Aviadvigatel» (
АО "ОДК-Авиадвигатель")
PS-90A-76, 2-shaft, high-bypass TFs (fan diam.: 1.900,0 mm / 74,8 in; BPR: 4,6:1; eng. arch.:
1F+2LPC–13HPC〧2HPT–4LPT, OPR: 29,5:1), rated at 142,20 (156,91) kN / 14.500 (16.000) kgf / 31.967 (35.274) lbf, previously used on military transport plane
PJSC Ilyushin Aviation Complex (
ПАО «Авиационный комплекс им. С.В. Ильюшина»)
Il-76MD-90A (
Il-476), the aerial fuel tanker
Il-78M-90A (
Il-478), but also on the
Indian Air Force.PJSC "TASTC n.a. G. M. Beriev" (
ПАО "ТАНТК им. Г.М. Бериева")
A-50EI, airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) plane.
.
.If for any airliner in the recent history could be, without hesitation, said it was a real game changer, that was the
Boeing 777, the world's largest wide-body, twinjet airliner, utilization of which has proven significant advantages in the economy of use and maintenance compared to the most of those existing quadjet, wide-body airliners. Its existence has led to a lack of interest in four-engine planes of comparable or approximate size and capacity, and the list of such is noticeable:
A340-200,
A340-300,
A340-500,
A340-600,
747-400 and
747-8. The
A380 was a league of its own and a victim of some other circumstances ...
...Already great aircraft should have become even better in its latest edition -
777X, with the new
GE9X, 2-shaft, high-bypass, TF engines, new composite wings with the
folding wingtips, greater cabin width and seating capacity and technologies from the
787 Dreamliner. However, on 13. May 2021
Federal Aviation Administration sent a letter to
The Boeing Company saying that the manufacturer’s new
777X aircraft, currently in its testing phase, likely will not receive its certification until mid- to late-2023. The
FAA has blocked
Boeing from moving forward with a key step in its certification of the aircraft warning the factory it may have to increase the number of test flights planned. That could push the jet’s entry into commercial service into early 2024, four years later than originally planned. The
FAA cited a long list of concerns, including a serious flight control incident during a test flight on 08. Dec 2020, when the plane experienced an "uncommanded pitch event", meaning the nose of the plane pitched abruptly up or down without input from the pilots. The
FAA also expressed its concern about proposed modifications involving late changes to both software and hardware in the electronics of the jet’s flight controls. The letter also mentions an aspect of the aircraft’s Common Core System, described as the "central nervous system of the plane", that the
FAA believes is not up to par, reporting that the system has incomplete data and has not cleared preliminary safety checks and was not adequately peer-reviewed, resulting in "inconsistencies and incorrect reuse of
787 data."
...The
Emirates (
EK / UAE), the largest
B77X customer, reduced its initial order for 150 aircraft to 115 (16
B778s and 99
B779s). In February 2022 airline's President Tim Clark has said he doesn’t expect any
B77X deliveries until 2024, but due to
B77X's further delays
EK.plans to install premium economy class seats on a further 61
A388 planes. In addition to this
Emirates wants to fit the same product to 53 of its
77Ws. This will give it a fleet of 120 aircraft flying new premium economy seats. So far
6 of the
Emirates'
A388s (
A380-842) were equipped with the 4-class cabins,
484 seats, cabin conf.
F14 C76 W56 Y338. The
Premium Economy Class, 19,5-in wide seats, are in a 2-4-2 conf. These seats are similar to those of the
Business Class, with a 13,3-in monitors and up to 40 inches of pitch.
...Maybe one day there will be a chance to compare the CASM of the
EK's
A380-842 (MTOW: 575.000 kg / 1.267.658 lb), powered by four
Trent 972B-84, 3-shaft, high-bypass TFs (fan diam.: 116,0 in / 2.946,4 mm; BPR: (8,5-8,7):1; eng. arch.:
1F–8IPC=6HPC〨1HPT=1IPT–5LPT), OPR: 39,0:1, each rated at 356,81 kN / 36.384 kgf / 80.214 lbf, with a 2-class cabin,
615 seats,
C58 Y557 cabin conf., with their future
777-9 (MTOW 351.534 kg / 775.000 lb), powered by two
GE9X-105B1A, 2-shaft, high-bypass TFs (fan diam.: 134,0 in / 3.403,6 mm; BPR: 9,9:1; eng. arch.:
1F+3LPC–11HPC〧2HPT–6LPT), OPR: 60,0:1, each rated at 489,30 kN / 49.895 kgf / 110.000 lbf, with a 2-class cabin,
414 seats,
C42 Y372 standard cabin conf..
...Intending to breathe some new life into their largest plane, at the Paris Air Show 2017 (
PAS 2017)
Airbus SE launched the
A380plus development study… I wish we can talk now on the
EK's
A380-844plus (MTOW 580.000 kg / 1.278.681 lb), powered by four
Trent XWB-84 EP, 3-shaft, high-bypass TFs (fan diam.: 118,0 in / 2.997,2 mm; BPR: 9,6:1; eng. arch.:
1F–8IPC=6HPC〨1HPT=2IPT–6LPT), OPR: 50,0:1, each rated at 374,54 kN / 38.192 kgf / 84.200 lbf, with the
split winglets (an uplet of 3,5 m / 11,5 ft and a downlet of 1,2 m / 3,9 ft), as a part of the
aerodynamics changes to the frame, however so something hasn't happened.
...We've learned that there was
"no business case for the Rolls-Royce Trent XWBs on Airbus A380" and that
"Airbus A380neo will have to wait for the next generation of the engine technology" … Whether will, at some point of the availability of the next generation of the engines, someone conclude that there is a "business case" of reengining of the still existing
A380s, it is very difficult to say at the moment. If anyone, then
Emirates. It has already happened in the history -
DC-8 Super 70 Series. The next generation of the engine could be
UltraFan, ‘2,5'-shaft, high-bypass, geared, TF engine (fan diam.: 140,0 in / 3.556,0 mm; BPR: 15,0:1; gear ratio: 4,0:1; eng. arch.:
1F-]PG[-3LPC–10HPC〧2HPT–4LPT), OPR: 70,0:1, rated at 387,0 kN / 39.463 kgf / 87.000 lbf. It represents 40 % increase in a fan area compared with
Trent XWB, 3-shaft, high-bypass TFs aimed for
A350, twin-engined, long-range, wide-body airliner and 9 % increase on
GE9X, 2-shaft, high-bypass, TF engine aimed for
777X, twin-engined, long-range, wide-body airliner.
...The key engineering features of the
UltraFan engine include:
.…● a new, proven,
Advance3 core architecture, combined with
ALECSys Lean Burn Combustion system, to deliver maximum fuel burn efficiency and low emissions;
…● carbon titanium fan blades and a composite casing that reduce weight by up to 680 kg / 1.500 lb per engine (the mass difference b/w the
Rolls-Royce Trent XWB (7.277 kg / 16.043 lb) engine and one of the engines already offered on
A380 -
Engine Alliance GP7200 (6.712 kg / 14.798 lb) is about 500 kg;
…● advanced ceramic matrix composite (CMC) components that operate more effectively in high pressure turbine (HPT) temperatures;
…● a geared design that delivers efficient power for the high-thrust, high-bypass ratio engines of the future.
...It seems to me a very wise and justified
Emirates' decision to order and those smaller wide-body planes for their
fleet, increasing the capacity, flexibility and expanding its operations to the new markets. In this moment it means 50
A350-900 and 30
787-9 airplanes. The
A350-900 equipped with
Trent XWB, 3-shaft, high-bypass TF engines will open up a range of new markets for
Emirates. The plane's range of 15.000 km / 8.100 nm will allow the carrier to operate long-haul services of up to 15 hours flying time from
Dubai International Airport (
DXB / OMDB). Meanwhile, the airline also intends to deploy the aircraft on the routes in the region, potentially on some of the shorter-haul routes currently served by the
A380. Along with the incoming
A350s,
Emirates' fleet diversity is set to further see an enhancement with the addition of the
787 Dreamliner. The airline has shown interest in the
787 for some years, having
ordered up 40
787-10s in 2017. This was later downsized to the popular
787-9, firming up an order of 30 of the type.
...The smaller twinjets will allow
UAE to increase the frequency of already profitable city pairs, but also to introduce a new routes to Africa, South America, Asia and Europe for which
A388s or
B77Ws are just too big. A combination of all these aircraft would give
UAE an enormous potential, thereat not deviating from its hub and spoke strategy, but with the smaller, more nimble twinjets in its fleet, more destinations making economical. Given so many changes in ordering certain types of aircraft and changing business strategy in the last few years, it is difficult to expect that these figures will remain final. A lot depends on how will things develop with the
B779 which deliveries are now delayed until 2025. If there will be a further delays in its introduction into regular commercial use, this could mean an increase of orders for the above mentioned smaller twinjet airliners or even the opening the doors for some other types of the aircraft, not only for
UAE's but also other airlines' fleets. And as the time goes on so will some of the
B77Ws come out of the lease and will need to be replaced by the other aircraft so they could be able to maintain the frequency of the flights. If the
B778 and especially
B779 won't be available,
UAE will have the choice to reduce its fleet or extend the lease of their
B77Ws. Besides, they have already talked about the life extensions on their
A388s, and if they extend their leases and put
B77Ws through the heavy checks, the
B779 will not be needed for them anymore. Or anytime soon. I bellieve the
Emirates Engineering, in cooperation with
Airbus SE and
The Boeing Company, is quite capable and ready to implement the service life extension programs for the planes in its fleet…
.
.It also remains to be seen how successfully and quickly, currently suspended, delivery of the
Boeing 787 planes, will be restored. Just as a reminder;
All Nippon Airways'
77th
787 aircraft, the
39th of the type
787-9 (MTOW: 254.011 kg / 560.000 lb); MSN
66524 / LN
1095, reg.
JA937A, test reg. N883BA, N2005V, with a 2-class cabin,
375 seats, cabin conf.
W28 Y347 and powered by two
GEnx-1B70/P2, 2-shaft, high-bypass TFs (fan diam.: 111,1 in / 2.821,9 mm; BPR: 9,3:1; eng. arch.:
1F+4LPC–10HPC〧2HPT–7LPT), OPR: 53,3:1, each rated at 321,61 kN / 32.795 kgf / 72.300 lbf, delivered on 09 / 10. Nov 2021, flying on the route
VCV / KVCV -
HND / RJTT was the latest delivered
Boeing 787 aircraft. At the same time this was the last
Boeing Everett Factory –built
787 Dreamliner that has rolled off the assembly line of the factory at the NE corner of
Paine Field (
PAE / KPAE) airport, WA.
....
…..Boeing 787 - deliveries by the Model, Production Site and the Engine Factory (on 30. Apr 2022)...The
787 Dreamliner program has been hit with multiple issues over the years, including early battery problems in 2013, which led to all 50
787s in service worldwide being grounded for over three months. Last year, more problems were discovered, including quality issues with the seams on the fuselage, forcing
Boeing to rework about 115 undelivered
787s. Although the deliveries of the
787 took place earlier in 2021, they were halted again in May and are yet to resume.
Boeing has delivered just 14
787 Dreamliners in 2021, 2
787-8s and 12
787-9s …
..
...Boeing 787 - deliveries 2021...The Boeing Company is currently dealing with the several quality issues on its
787 and is working closely with the
FAA on the fixes. Its current production rate of the
787 Dreamliner is now at two planes per month. At its peak,
The Boeing Company was producing 14
787s per month, but has repeatedly slashed its production rate of the aircraft, which stood at 5 aircraft per month in the summer 2021. In October 2021
Boeing revealed that certain titanium parts on some
787s built in the past three years were not up to strength, citing problems with a third-party supplier. Affected parts of the plane include fittings that assist in securing the floor beam, while other fittings, spacers, brackets, and clips are still under investigation. The definitive date for resumption on deliveries hasn't even been mentioned yet, and some rumors suggest that it will take up to two years to deliver the currently stored aircraft. Fortunately, no one needs them too much at the moment …
...Can all of the above mentioned cause the exit from the shadows and coming to the forefront for some other aircraft that are currently not so interesting to the airlines, like
A350-1000,
A330-900 and even
A330-800? Somewhere between the lines of my humble and superficial thinking, I could find the answer how I see the
Emirates' fleet might look like in the future:
...●
Airbus A380-861 /
A380-842….●
Boeing 777-9……●
Airbus A350-1041……..●
Airbus A350-941……….●
Boeing 787-9…………●
Airbus A330-841 **
.**
Emirates retired their last
A330-200s, of 29 such aircraft they had in the fleet, in 2016. In a various ways, the
A330-800 is like the
A340-500; designed for a long-range, unpopular and ultimately not used for its intended purpose. It also had another aircraft that could do more or less the same but in a more economical way - the
777-200LR. But the
Emirates could find the new routes, taking advantage of an increased range of a new
A330-841 (MTOW:
251.000 kg / 553.360 lb) …
...Related to the
A350's surface problems,
Emirates has told
Airbus SE it will not take delivery of
A350 passenger jets that it has ordered if they have surface problems similar to those reported by
QR. Several airlines have now reported
A350 paint problems, while
Qatar Airways (
QR / QTR) has complained of deeper underlying
issues with a layer of lightning protection attached to the paint. There are documented evidences of the existing areas of peeling or missing paint, cracks and damage to anti-lightning protection, as well as what
QR described as patches of carbon-fibre that were exposed to moisture and potentially damaging ultra-violet light. I would like to see how the other airlines'
A350s look like and to know if and what was
Qatar Airways maybe doing with theirs behind the closed doors... The lightweight carbon-fibre jetliner relies on metallic foil embedded beneath the paint to help lightning wash safely over the fuselage, which is less conductive than earlier metal. The problem is probably solvable, it just needs to be solved. However it was, this kind of a problem should really not exist, keeping the potential buyers away from this aircraft …
...Regardless of the overall course of the events in
777X's development and the long delay of its introduction in the regular service, the question arises as to whether this aircraft is not becoming just too large and as such unnecessary for the airlines, just as was the case with the
Airbus A380 (
251 delivered). The different situation might be with a freighter version. In any case a bit unusual that so many examples of the aircraft, that have not even been certified, was produced so far: 2 factory certification testing frames (MSN
64240 / LN
1567; reg.
N779XW and MSN
64241 / LN
1574; reg.
N779XX), 2
LH's certification testing frames (MSN
65799 / LN
1581; reg.
N779XY and MSN
65800 / LN
1587; reg.
N779XZ) and 21 frame in a short term storage, pre-flight preparation or final assembly …
...I don't know how much longer, but definetely an uncertain, road is in front of the
777X before it enters the regular service, in the world looking so different than in the moment
777X was launched. Even all this, untill now, has taken too long. I believe one day it will happen, but the airlines will have no patience or choice to wait on this plane forever. Their existing planes will start coming out of the lease, and the costs of maintenance, repair and overhaul will rise. If they'll be forced to it, they will look for the other options to replace them. And continue to live. Or to survive. With or without the
777X...
.…Mario