Hi all,
Anyone know if there’s a technical name for the routes or designated aircraft that fly to a city then onto another, back to second city and then back to origin?
Example:
CDG-DUB-GLA-DUB-CDG
Seems like airlines do this to serve routes without having a base there.
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Re: Name for (“W”?) routings?
This happens in the US all the time, where aircraft will transition an out station between hubs.
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Re: Name for (“W”?) routings?
nickya340 wrote:Hi all,
Anyone know if there’s a technical name for the routes or designated aircraft that fly to a city then onto another, back to second city and then back to origin?
Example:
CDG-DUB-GLA-DUB-CDG
Seems like airlines do this to serve routes without having a base there.
I've never heard a name for such, nor a name for triangle routes. But I guess there could be one.
Re: Name for (“W”?) routings?
Starlionblue wrote:nickya340 wrote:Hi all,
Anyone know if there’s a technical name for the routes or designated aircraft that fly to a city then onto another, back to second city and then back to origin?
Example:
CDG-DUB-GLA-DUB-CDG
Seems like airlines do this to serve routes without having a base there.
I've never heard a name for such, nor a name for triangle routes. But I guess there could be one.
Agree. Closest parallel I could imagine is "round robin."
Re: Name for (“W”?) routings?
If they're really trying to avoid a DUB base, it would be called "3 hours in Dublin," so they can reassign you during the trip.
Re: Name for (“W”?) routings?
When I worked at G4 we called them inside turns. Was used to serve many of the seasonal destination cities that were not bases and to balance flying between the various bases. One example was SFB-USA-MSY-USA-SFB, all with the same SFB based crew/aircraft in the same day.
Re: Name for (“W”?) routings?
Only ever heard them referred to as "W" routes. Used to work for a tour operator - they chartered aircraft all of the time that did these types of flights, particularly to less popular destinations, i.e MAN-PUY-LGW-PUY-MAN. Made good use of an aircraft for the day and avoided dead sectors.
Re: Name for (“W”?) routings?
US airlines do this AFAIK. Like AA might do something like JFK-LHR-RDU-LHR-JFK. That’s how they get the 777 to RDU, for example.
Or I could see DL doing something like ATL-ICN-PDX-ICN-ATL. These are hypothetical examples but they often do something like this.
I thought these were called “scissors” routes.
I think of a round robin as more something like ORD-OGG-KOA-OGG.
Or I could see DL doing something like ATL-ICN-PDX-ICN-ATL. These are hypothetical examples but they often do something like this.
I thought these were called “scissors” routes.
I think of a round robin as more something like ORD-OGG-KOA-OGG.
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Re: Name for (“W”?) routings?
BoeingGuy wrote:US airlines do this AFAIK. Like AA might do something like JFK-LHR-RDU-LHR-JFK. That’s how they get the 777 to RDU, for example.
Or I could see DL doing something like ATL-ICN-PDX-ICN-ATL. These are hypothetical examples but they often do something like this.
I thought these were called “scissors” routes.
I think of a round robin as more something like ORD-OGG-KOA-OGG.
I was under the impression that scissor routes/a scissor hub would imply a non-hub serving as connecting airport for routes on either end. IIRC 9W used to run an operation at AMS where multiple India routes would connect to multiple North America routes.
Re: Name for (“W”?) routings?
BoeingGuy wrote:I think of a round robin as more something like ORD-OGG-KOA-OGG.
BoeingGuy, at my company, what you described above: ORD-OGG-KOA-OGG is referred to as a "tag on."
A round robin normally terminates at the origin, for example ORD-LAX-SFO-ORD.
A flight from origin to destination and back, i.e., ORD-LAX-ORD is called a "turn," at a previous company the same routing was called an "out and back."
For crewmembers, on the last day of a multiple day trip, if scheduled to fly a turn after the initial flight back to their home base; for example a Chicago (ORD) based crew flying DEN-ORD-CMH-ORD; well, they refer to this as a "penalty lap."
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Re: Name for (“W”?) routings?
e38 wrote:BoeingGuy wrote:I think of a round robin as more something like ORD-OGG-KOA-OGG.
BoeingGuy, at my company, what you described above: ORD-OGG-KOA-OGG is referred to as a "tag on."
That’s because I mistyped. I meant to say ORD-OGG-KOA-ORD.
I’m familiar with a tag-on. They are becoming less common these days though. You don’t see so much stuff like LHR-YVR-SEA or MIA-EZE-MVD anymore.
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Re: Name for (“W”?) routings?
nickya340 wrote:Hi all,
Anyone know if there’s a technical name for the routes or designated aircraft that fly to a city then onto another, back to second city and then back to origin?
Example:
CDG-DUB-GLA-DUB-CDG
Seems like airlines do this to serve routes without having a base there.
At my carrier, that is called a W, indeed. It's two V's, placed together.
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