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atav wrote:For some airlines, it's a security requrement if either the access to the jetbridge from the gate, or the access to the jetbridge from external stairs don't have some type of lock on the doors. If this is the case, the jetbridge must be pulled from the aircraft to prevent unauthorized access. This isn't super common in the US anymore, I can think of only a few small airports where this is still done.
aaway wrote:atav wrote:For some airlines, it's a security requrement if either the access to the jetbridge from the gate, or the access to the jetbridge from external stairs don't have some type of lock on the doors. If this is the case, the jetbridge must be pulled from the aircraft to prevent unauthorized access. This isn't super common in the US anymore, I can think of only a few small airports where this is still done.
Regardless of locks (ACAMS), or other mechanical security measure, jetbridges must be pulled away from unoccupied/RON aircraft. TSA SDs (domestic operators) and EA (international operators) dictate such action.
Tristarsteve wrote:
TSA is in charge of airport security?, yet insists on airbridge removal because 0f what? People are on the ramp that are suspect? Don't they screen everyone that gets an airside pass? Don't you need an airside pass to open the gate to the jetway?. Sounds like belt and braces to me.
What about access to the equipment bays? Must you lock them as well?
Tristarsteve wrote:aaway wrote:atav wrote:For some airlines, it's a security requrement if either the access to the jetbridge from the gate, or the access to the jetbridge from external stairs don't have some type of lock on the doors. If this is the case, the jetbridge must be pulled from the aircraft to prevent unauthorized access. This isn't super common in the US anymore, I can think of only a few small airports where this is still done.
Regardless of locks (ACAMS), or other mechanical security measure, jetbridges must be pulled away from unoccupied/RON aircraft. TSA SDs (domestic operators) and EA (international operators) dictate such action.
TSA is in charge of airport security?, yet insists on airbridge removal because 0f what? People are on the ramp that are suspect? Don't they screen everyone that gets an airside pass? Don't you need an airside pass to open the gate to the jetway?. Sounds like belt and braces to me.
What about access to the equipment bays? Must you lock them as well?
kalvado wrote:Tristarsteve wrote:aaway wrote:
Regardless of locks (ACAMS), or other mechanical security measure, jetbridges must be pulled away from unoccupied/RON aircraft. TSA SDs (domestic operators) and EA (international operators) dictate such action.
TSA is in charge of airport security?, yet insists on airbridge removal because 0f what? People are on the ramp that are suspect? Don't they screen everyone that gets an airside pass? Don't you need an airside pass to open the gate to the jetway?. Sounds like belt and braces to me.
What about access to the equipment bays? Must you lock them as well?
Swiss cheese. There were cases of people getting onto the ramp, so complicating next step may be reasonable.
I still wonder, though, if putting physical locks on exterior doors is ever considered....
77west wrote:kalvado wrote:Tristarsteve wrote:
TSA is in charge of airport security?, yet insists on airbridge removal because 0f what? People are on the ramp that are suspect? Don't they screen everyone that gets an airside pass? Don't you need an airside pass to open the gate to the jetway?. Sounds like belt and braces to me.
What about access to the equipment bays? Must you lock them as well?
Swiss cheese. There were cases of people getting onto the ramp, so complicating next step may be reasonable.
I still wonder, though, if putting physical locks on exterior doors is ever considered....
You mean on the aircraft doors? Might have safety implications. Consider someone forgetting to unlock them all before flight etc etc. Don't see it happening.
77west wrote:kalvado wrote:Tristarsteve wrote:
TSA is in charge of airport security?, yet insists on airbridge removal because 0f what? People are on the ramp that are suspect? Don't they screen everyone that gets an airside pass? Don't you need an airside pass to open the gate to the jetway?. Sounds like belt and braces to me.
What about access to the equipment bays? Must you lock them as well?
Swiss cheese. There were cases of people getting onto the ramp, so complicating next step may be reasonable.
I still wonder, though, if putting physical locks on exterior doors is ever considered....
You mean on the aircraft doors? Might have safety implications. Consider someone forgetting to unlock them all before flight etc etc. Don't see it happening.
kalvado wrote:77west wrote:kalvado wrote:
Swiss cheese. There were cases of people getting onto the ramp, so complicating next step may be reasonable.
I still wonder, though, if putting physical locks on exterior doors is ever considered....
You mean on the aircraft doors? Might have safety implications. Consider someone forgetting to unlock them all before flight etc etc. Don't see it happening.
As any change of paradigm, this may be a can of worms - but "forget to unlock" is definitely not the biggest issue. If slide cannot be armed with the lock engaged, there is already most of the procedure in place.
bluecrew wrote:kalvado wrote:77west wrote:
You mean on the aircraft doors? Might have safety implications. Consider someone forgetting to unlock them all before flight etc etc. Don't see it happening.
As any change of paradigm, this may be a can of worms - but "forget to unlock" is definitely not the biggest issue. If slide cannot be armed with the lock engaged, there is already most of the procedure in place.
It's such a non-issue it would never happen. Your largest threat is someone coming down the jetbridge - that's ID or code-locked at the less modern places. Chances are, if they have the ID or code, they have your key, or a good reason to be there.
If it's someone rampside, well, how did they get there? In 99% of, at least, US domestic airports, they're not going to make it to an airplane. I don't think they'd be seen in realtime, but welcome aboard this A320, what are you as one person going to do onboard? Most likely? Get found by the security search people.
aaway wrote:atav wrote:For some airlines, it's a security requrement if either the access to the jetbridge from the gate, or the access to the jetbridge from external stairs don't have some type of lock on the doors. If this is the case, the jetbridge must be pulled from the aircraft to prevent unauthorized access. This isn't super common in the US anymore, I can think of only a few small airports where this is still done.
Regardless of locks (ACAMS), or other mechanical security measure, jetbridges must be pulled away from unoccupied/RON aircraft. TSA SDs (domestic operators) and EA (international operators) dictate such action.
atav wrote:aaway wrote:atav wrote:For some airlines, it's a security requrement if either the access to the jetbridge from the gate, or the access to the jetbridge from external stairs don't have some type of lock on the doors. If this is the case, the jetbridge must be pulled from the aircraft to prevent unauthorized access. This isn't super common in the US anymore, I can think of only a few small airports where this is still done.
Regardless of locks (ACAMS), or other mechanical security measure, jetbridges must be pulled away from unoccupied/RON aircraft. TSA SDs (domestic operators) and EA (international operators) dictate such action.
That's simply not true... Maybe local SOP where you are. I was a ground security coordinator at 3 different airlines in my lifetime. The only time we would do this was at ONE of three airlines, due to it being an old unnecessary procedure, since the security checks usually were done in the morning as opposed to right after the last flight before RON. Being a pilot who constantly works the last flight inbound to a station I can assure you that isn't true. All the jetbridges I see parking at 0100 are fully attached to the aircraft around me.