Just curious -
Major European airlines, particularly Air France, Brussels Airlines, KLM and Lufthansa seem to run a number of services from their home cities to west or central Africa, then do a very short add-on leg before returning directly home.
My question is would the aircrew do the short add-on, which is sometimes less than an hour as a shift for that day, it would it be added to the longer inbound or outbound route. If so, which I suspect, would crew tend to do that leg at the beginning or end of their shift?
ie, would a typical work pattern be Brussels - Freetown / overnight / Freetown-Monrovia-Brussels OR Brussels-Freetown-Monrovia / overnight / Monrovia-Brussels.
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It just depends. But chances doing 2 or even more legs in a day is totally normal. As long as it fits within the regulations of that country.
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It is sometimes based on the safety in certain countries. At various times crews have not wanted to overnight in various West African cities.
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On those sectors, a lot of consideration on layover location and security. I know from being there, AF service laid over in Brazzaville after stopping at Kinshasa. And, then KIN-CDG after crew rest.
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Re: Aircrew scheduling question.
At BA as cabin crew we used to do LHR-AUH-MCT and MCT-AUH-LHR in one go and layover in MCT. The flight crew however would overnight in AUH and operate AUH-MCT-AUH in one go.
The Caribbean shuttles are done as day trips from whichever destination is served direct from London.
The Caribbean shuttles are done as day trips from whichever destination is served direct from London.
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At KLM the cabin crew on the Amsterdam-Kigali-Entebbe-Amsterdam route stay in Entebbe whilst the cockpit stay in Kigali. So the cabin crew fly the strecht to Entebbe with a intermediate stop in Kigali in one go. Cockpit fly the Kigali-Entebbe-Amsterdam in one go.
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Re: Aircrew scheduling question.
A similar thing happened during Covid, in order to avoid layovers in places where crew would be subject to quarantine in case they tested positive.
For example, both EK and KL ran their HK services with a stop in BKK for a crew change, instead of direct.
For example, both EK and KL ran their HK services with a stop in BKK for a crew change, instead of direct.
Re: Aircrew scheduling question.
AVFCdownunder wrote:Just curious -
Major European airlines, particularly Air France, Brussels Airlines, KLM and Lufthansa seem to run a number of services from their home cities to west or central Africa, then do a very short add-on leg before returning directly home.
My question is would the aircrew do the short add-on, which is sometimes less than an hour as a shift for that day, it would it be added to the longer inbound or outbound route. If so, which I suspect, would crew tend to do that leg at the beginning or end of their shift?
ie, would a typical work pattern be Brussels - Freetown / overnight / Freetown-Monrovia-Brussels OR Brussels-Freetown-Monrovia / overnight / Monrovia-Brussels.
cheers
It does not matter much if the sector is at the start or the end, there is a maximum period of “duty time” crew are permitted to used on a particular day, that covers everything from the initial setup of the first sector to the securing of the aircraft after the second sector. When performing multiple sectors a day, the daily maximum duty time in most jurisdictions is reduced by 45 minutes for each additional sector.
Say for example the maximum duty time available for 1 sector was 14 hrs, it would be reduced to 13:15 for 2 sectors, 12:30 for 3 sectors etc. Maximum duty time can also be extended through the use of inflight rest, for example if they had 3 hrs rest in a seat their duty time could be extended by 1 hr to 15 hr for a single sector, 14:15 two sectors etc.
Re: Aircrew scheduling question.
Starlionblue wrote:A similar thing happened during Covid, in order to avoid layovers in places where crew would be subject to quarantine in case they tested positive.
For example, both EK and KL ran their HK services with a stop in BKK for a crew change, instead of direct.
That's correct , however the crew and aircraft returned to BKK after HGK where a new crew to it back to AMS. Something they still do with the China operation but through ICN.
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