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Max Q
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Delta A330/ 350 pilots

Tue Mar 14, 2023 3:01 am

Are Delta pilots simultaneously qualified on the A330/ A350 and do they regularly switch between them like the 757/67 or are they kept separate ?
 
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Re: Delta A330/ 350 pilots

Tue Mar 14, 2023 3:37 am

Nope, those fleets are completely separate. Nobody is dual qualified other than the 7ER fleet. And, additionally, those pilots are not certified on the 767-400 either.
 
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Re: Delta A330/ 350 pilots

Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:02 am

RaulDuke1224 wrote:
Nope, those fleets are completely separate. Nobody is dual qualified other than the 7ER fleet. And, additionally, those pilots are not certified on the 767-400 either.


Why not, it’s considered a common type rating (or whatever the correct term is)?
 
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Re: Delta A330/ 350 pilots

Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:08 am

T54A wrote:
RaulDuke1224 wrote:
Nope, those fleets are completely separate. Nobody is dual qualified other than the 7ER fleet. And, additionally, those pilots are not certified on the 767-400 either.


Why not, it’s considered a common type rating (or whatever the correct term is)?

I don't think the FAA sees it that way.
 
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Re: Delta A330/ 350 pilots

Tue Mar 14, 2023 7:03 am

T54A wrote:
RaulDuke1224 wrote:
Nope, those fleets are completely separate. Nobody is dual qualified other than the 7ER fleet. And, additionally, those pilots are not certified on the 767-400 either.


Why not, it’s considered a common type rating (or whatever the correct term is)?


The 764 has a different pay scale at Delta.
 
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Re: Delta A330/ 350 pilots

Tue Mar 14, 2023 7:15 am

T54A wrote:
RaulDuke1224 wrote:
Nope, those fleets are completely separate. Nobody is dual qualified other than the 7ER fleet. And, additionally, those pilots are not certified on the 767-400 either.


Why not, it’s considered a common type rating (or whatever the correct term is)?


As AirKevin says, AFAIK it is not a common rating in FAA-land.

Of course, if a US carrier wanted them to be common rating and pushed/paid for the paperwork and admin, maybe they would be a common rating in FAA-land as well. Not sure about the politics and who pays for what exactly.
 
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Re: Delta A330/ 350 pilots

Tue Mar 14, 2023 9:01 am

Starlionblue wrote:
T54A wrote:
RaulDuke1224 wrote:
Nope, those fleets are completely separate. Nobody is dual qualified other than the 7ER fleet. And, additionally, those pilots are not certified on the 767-400 either.


Why not, it’s considered a common type rating (or whatever the correct term is)?


As AirKevin says, AFAIK it is not a common rating in FAA-land.

Of course, if a US carrier wanted them to be common rating and pushed/paid for the paperwork and admin, maybe they would be a common rating in FAA-land as well. Not sure about the politics and who pays for what exactly.



The 767-400 is covered by the same type rating as all other 757/67 sub types

It just requires a differences course

Not sure about United but at Continental we flew the 757-200/300 and 767-200 and -400 with the same group of pilots

I know Delta keeps the 764 separate but that’s a self imposed contract/ pay requirement, nothing to do with FAA certification
 
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Re: Delta A330/ 350 pilots

Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:24 am

Yeah sorry, I'm not privy to the ins-and-outs about why the structure is the way it is, just thought I'd answer the question and give a little more context.
 
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Re: Delta A330/ 350 pilots

Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:28 am

The A330 and A350 are separate type ratings in the US. They could have pilots rated on both, but would have to keep them current on both.

The 764 is the same type rating as the other 767/757s. Delta just had a silly legacy contact term that separates the 764 out. No idea if the new contract changes that.
 
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Re: Delta A330/ 350 pilots

Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:37 pm

N1120A wrote:
The A330 and A350 are separate type ratings in the US. They could have pilots rated on both, but would have to keep them current on both.

The 764 is the same type rating as the other 767/757s. Delta just had a silly legacy contact term that separates the 764 out. No idea if the new contract changes that.


The new contract has not changed that. The fleets are pay banded, the 767-400 now pays the same as the A350 and A330 (I think, I don’t have the contract in front of me) but it remains a separate category.
 
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Re: Delta A330/ 350 pilots

Thu Mar 16, 2023 4:23 am

Max Q wrote:
Starlionblue wrote:
T54A wrote:

Why not, it’s considered a common type rating (or whatever the correct term is)?


As AirKevin says, AFAIK it is not a common rating in FAA-land.

Of course, if a US carrier wanted them to be common rating and pushed/paid for the paperwork and admin, maybe they would be a common rating in FAA-land as well. Not sure about the politics and who pays for what exactly.



The 767-400 is covered by the same type rating as all other 757/67 sub types

It just requires a differences course

Not sure about United but at Continental we flew the 757-200/300 and 767-200 and -400 with the same group of pilots

I know Delta keeps the 764 separate but that’s a self imposed contract/ pay requirement, nothing to do with FAA certification


Still the same at UA; the 756 fleet pilots fly all variants including the 764.

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