Engine Type PER Aircraft

Tue Sep 19, 2000 11:39 pm





RE: Engine Type PER Aircraft

Wed Sep 20, 2000 1:20 am

Caps down boy, down!

RE: Engine Type PER Aircraft

Wed Sep 20, 2000 7:36 am

The EMB-120 Brasilia has two Pratt and Whitney PW118 turboprops.
There is thestraight 118 on the RT model and PW118A or B on the ER.
The difference is in the cooling ability of the inner metals allowing the A and B to operate at higher temps offering more power. The older Brasilias have the straight 118 and the newer ones have the A or B models. I'm pretty sure you can't put any other engine on the airplane; it was designed around the PW118.


RE: Skywest Pilot

Wed Sep 20, 2000 10:51 am

Hey Bud,

Nice web page! Problem is, I saw no ERA 580s in your gallery  

To answer the question for everyone else, here is an example........

The Allison 501 is a series turbo-prop that is used on the Electra, C-130, and CVR-580 (the BOSS of prop jets). Specifically, each uses the D-13. However, you will see a lot of CVR580s with Allison 501D-36s.
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RE: Engine Type PER Aircraft

Wed Sep 20, 2000 5:03 pm

The Fairchild Melin/Metro, CASA 212, Volpar BE-8T all use the Garrett TPE 331. It is also used on the MU-2, and the J-31.

The Piper Navajo uses Lycoming engines, One TIO-580 and one LTIO-580.

The 727 and the 737-100/200 uses the JT-8D.

ALL other 737's use versions of the CFM-56.

The Lear 31/35/36 all use Garrett TFE-731's

The Lear 25 uses a GE CJ-601...Put a burner can on that engine and the Air Force uses it in their T-38 trainers.

The C-46, CV-340, DC-6 all use R-2800's

The DC-7 and the Connie all use R-4360's

The DC-3 can use with the P&W R-1830 or the Wright R-1820.

The G-II,G-III,F-28,BAC-111,BAE Trident all used Rolls-Royce Spey engines.

The G-IV and the Fokker 10,100,130 all use Rolls-Royce Tay engines. Some of these have been retrofitted onto 727-100's

The G-I, FH-227,F.27, BAE 748, NAMC YS-11, All use Rolls-Royce Dart engines.

And that is all I can think of a 2 in the morning.
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RE: Engine Type PER Aircraft

Thu Sep 21, 2000 1:06 am

Minor nit-pick. I thought DC7's use(d) Wright R3350's, not P&W R4360's. Early Connies I thought used P&W R2800's but most of them ran R3350's. IIRC, the only commercial airliner that ran the "corn cob" R4360 was the double decked Boeing Strato-cruiser.

RE: Engine Type PER Aircraft

Thu Sep 21, 2000 4:03 am

Just to add to L-188's list.

747's use PW JT9-D, GE CF6, RR RB211's, and I believe the -400's use the above plus the PW 4000 series (help me on that one).

Most other wide bodies ( A330's, DC-10's, etc.) use either all or some of the above engines so I won't go through the list again.

777's use PW 4000, GE 90, or RR Trent 500's.

737-300/400/500, A340, and KC-135R use CFM-56.

707's, and KC-135A-E's use either PW J-57 (JT3) or PW TF-33 (JT3-D) and I believe some 707's had RR engines.

DC-8's have JT3, JT3-D, JT4-D, and many have been retro-fitted with CFM-56's.

DC-9/MD-80's have JT8-D's

I know I left out a bunch more so if anyone has any to add, please do.

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RE: Engine Type PER Aircraft

Thu Sep 21, 2000 9:45 am

Just, which I don't think is too possilbe:

B747-400x with GE-90-115B!

115,000lbs each

Total: 460,000lbs thrust!!!

Talk about climb like a rocket...........  

Actually, I would like the 767-400er to have it too!

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RE: Engine Type PER Aircraft

Sat Sep 23, 2000 8:16 am

RR Darts also were the power for Vickers Viscount and Convair 600.

Convair 880s were powered by GE CJ-805 turbojets.
Convair 990s were powered by GE CJ805-23 turbofans.


RE: Engine Type PER Aircraft

Sat Sep 23, 2000 10:42 am

Just in case you don't know, GE CJ-805 turbojets are a non-afterburning version of the F-4's J-79 engine. I believe it was also used in the B-58 supersonic bomber. The CJ-805-23 was a turbofan version of the same engine with the fan mounted on the back instead of the front.
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RE: Tn283

Sun Sep 24, 2000 11:07 am

You're right. I like to say it this way, "The CJ-805-23 was a turbofan version of the same engine with the fan mounted in back. It was the first turbofan engine to be used commercially. Today the fans are mounted on the front instead."

I just figure that since they were the first- it is the other designs that are the odd ones.

But I am only teasing.


RE: Engine Type PER Aircraft

Mon Sep 25, 2000 2:30 am

Why do you suppose they mounted the fan on the rear of the GE CJ-805-23? was it an easier way to modify the J-79 or did GE think it was more efficient?

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RE: Engine Type PER Aircraft

Mon Sep 25, 2000 3:29 am

The fan itself was designed for peak efficiency at high speeds. Having the fan, though, was to give the 990 less fuel burn at take off too.

GE's first attempt at turbocharging a turbojet (actually true) was a bit ahead of the technology. Further, it was quite easy to just set a fan in the back and require the turbojet to blow on it. There was no transmission to design or build, no shaft running forward and no unsightly fan to show.

The greatest difficulty came with the Bluckets. This fan was designed to incorporate titanium (I believe) blades that were driven by engine exhaust toward the center and that propelled cool air at the outside diameter. These blades were called bluckets because they worked like blades at one point and like turbine buckets at another. They were propelled by extremely hot gasses yet inches away contacted cold air (especially at high altitudes).

The first experience for Convair 990 users was a cracking of these bluckets at the union between the temperatures.

GE solved this through a redesign of the bluckets. Others in the forum can probably take this and run with it a little further. I don't recall much more at this time.

It is my contention that these engines could be more efficient today with a completely different outer diameter design of the fan, and the changes GE has already made on the turbojet that cut the smoke and consumption of jetfuel.

However, the giant pods that serve to keep the inlets in front are vastly too heavy.

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RE: Engine Type PER Aircraft

Mon Oct 02, 2000 7:05 am

Actually, 777s are powered by Rolls Royce Trent 800s and the A340-500s and -600s will be powered by Rolls Royce Trent 553, 556s, and 562s. A330s are usually powered by GE CF6-80E1s, P&W 4168s, or Rolls Royce Trent 772s.
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RE: Engine Type PER Aircraft

Fri Oct 06, 2000 2:53 pm

SF34 GE engines originally designed for military helio's
A model - CT7-9a2 1735 shp @ 108% Trq
B model - CT7-9b 1750 @100% Trq
and 1870 Shp with APR @ 107% Trq

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