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jhooper
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Class Of 2000 / Flying A Continental 777?

Tue Apr 08, 2003 5:32 am

I came across a website containing the following:

I am a currently enrolled (school deleted) graduate student (part-time) whose full-time job is to fly a Boeing 777 for a commercial airline. Just a few days ago I had the opportunity to fly a plane load of troops on their first leg to the Middle East. Here is a web site I created to tell about the trip.

(name deleted)
Class of 2000


Is this possible? I mean, I don't want to call the guy a liar or anything, but how likely is it that someone who just graduated from college less than three years ago (25 years old) has enough seniority at Continental Airlines to fly a 777 overseas?
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Rick767
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RE: Class Of 2000 / Flying A Continental 777?

Tue Apr 08, 2003 5:50 am

Don't really know how things work in the US Airline industry. As far as I was always led to believe it was a harder struggle than some of us Europeans have getting into the right seat of a large jet. I got a 757/767 right seat as a first job in 1999 at the age of 23 straight out of training with 200 hours to my name.

In Europe I know I am by no means alone. We have a 19 year old f/o and a couple of 20 year olds in BY on the 757/767. It can be done. In the USA, I'm not so sure. Triple seven sounds a bit ambitious.

I remember years ago British Airways made the youngest ever 747 pilot, almost straight out of training at 19. There was a great story about him having landed the jumbo laden with 300+ people himself in JFK, then being told he was too young to rent a car  Smile

I know some BA cadets went onto the 777 some time ago when there was lots of need for that type but their numbers were limited and the company didn't like doing it. They prefer to put their new guys on 737/320/757 for a few years to learn the shorthaul ropes...

Anyway I'm waffling... my opinion is that it is possible, but unlikely. Some US pilots will I'm sure give the final verdict.
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RE: Class Of 2000 / Flying A Continental 777?

Tue Apr 08, 2003 6:30 am

Chances in the US? Less Than 0... more like negative 10%

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RE: Class Of 2000 / Flying A Continental 777?

Tue Apr 08, 2003 7:28 am

I'm only a Private Pilot, but I did hear this once on my scanner as a Delta Express 737 went overhead:

"Delta 2642 what are the winds at 9000?"
--"Uh, our windometer is showing 260 at 59."
"Thank you. Windometer eh? I believe it's called something else, maybe an anemometer."
--"Well yeah, but I just graduated this year, I guess I'm not used to the terminology [chuckle]."
"Isn't there an age restriction...I thought it was 23?"
"Yeah...I think. I just barely cleared that."

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ha763
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RE: Class Of 2000 / Flying A Continental 777?

Tue Apr 08, 2003 8:07 am

How about providing a link to the website?

It is quite possible that this pilot is a non-traditional student, meaning that he/she did not go straight to college after graduating from high school. This person could have been flying for the military and then got a job flying for Continental and going to school part time. I say this because I went to school with many non-traditional students. One was even a FA for Northwest.

Although the equipment a pilot flies is based on seniority, the pilot will need to bid for the position. At the airline I used to work for (HA), many pilots had enough seniority to be a captain on the DC-10/767, but never bid for those schedules because they rather fly interisland and return home everyday. Then there were the high-seniority DC-10 captains who refused to transition to the 767 until the very end.
 
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RE: Class Of 2000 / Flying A Continental 777?

Tue Apr 08, 2003 10:33 am

I'd rather not post the link because then I'd be publishing the specific name of the person involved, and I don't want to do that in this tight knit community (assuming he's telling the truth). I will say that a search of FAA records on this name (and location) revealed that he does hold an ATP certificate, and is certainly employable with Continental Airlines.

The fact that he could be a non-traditional student did cross my mind. But if I'm correct, don't you have to already have a college degree to fly for Continental. So even if he did fly for CoEx or perhaps another regional before he graduated, he'd still have only 2 1/2 years on the Continental seniority list at most. (or has CO merged the CoEx and mainline seniority lists?) Perhaps a Continental pilot could provide some insight. Is is possible for a person with that level of seniority to fly the 777 (even from the right seat)?
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RE: Class Of 2000 / Flying A Continental 777?

Tue Apr 08, 2003 5:31 pm

UUhhhhh-
Cal furloughees went to at least May hire dates in 1999. All of the CAL newhires from 2000 were furloughed, and subsequently bumped down in to COEX a/c. This story is a load of BS.

 
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RE: Class Of 2000 / Flying A Continental 777?

Tue Apr 08, 2003 5:38 pm

If is he was referring to CAL, or any US airline...it's bs. For non US, ???
 
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RE: Class Of 2000 / Flying A Continental 777?

Wed Apr 09, 2003 6:50 am

The youngest pilot currently flying a Continental mainline jet was born in 1973. Before September 11, 2001, the youngest pilot was born in 1975. It is 100% impossible for the guy's story to be true.
 
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RE: Class Of 2000 / Flying A Continental 777?

Wed Apr 09, 2003 7:56 am

There is no way someone with 8 years or less seniority is flying right seat on a 777 for Continental, and 10 years or less seniority at UA,AA, or Delta.

JET
 
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RE: Class Of 2000 / Flying A Continental 777?

Wed Apr 09, 2003 9:28 am

Of course it's BS. Plus if you were to start as a pilot, you usually start as a low paying regional jet pilot, not the full blown out 777! What a liar!!

co
 
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RE: Class Of 2000 / Flying A Continental 777?

Wed Apr 09, 2003 9:44 am

Jr. right seat at CO in the B777, is 13 years right now.
 
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RE: Class Of 2000 / Flying A Continental 777?

Wed Apr 09, 2003 11:50 am

Wow... flow through has really slowed at CO?

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RE: Class Of 2000 / Flying A Continental 777?

Wed Apr 09, 2003 2:08 pm

Elsewhere in the world is very possible, but as far as I know this guy is probably lying...unless he means the 777 conversion class of 2000!!
 
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RE: Class Of 2000 / Flying A Continental 777?

Wed Apr 09, 2003 2:27 pm

"Wow... flow through has really slowed at CO?"

It's actually going backwards these days. Many pilots whose seniority allowed them to fly the mainline jets are now assigned to the EMB-145. This trend continues as former 737 and MD-80 routes are transferred to Continental Express.

[Edited 2003-04-09 07:28:46]
 
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RE: Class Of 2000 / Flying A Continental 777?

Wed Apr 09, 2003 2:47 pm

Im my eyes
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RE: Class Of 2000 / Flying A Continental 777?

Wed Apr 09, 2003 4:56 pm

"Jr. right seat at CO in the B777, is 13 years right now"

Oh my god there was me thinking I was hard done by having to wait another 7 years for command in my company  Wow!
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JETPILOT
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RE: Class Of 2000 / Flying A Continental 777?

Wed Apr 09, 2003 7:10 pm

Ramper @IAH....

CO doesnt operate EMB 135/145's

COEX isnt operated by Continental.

COEX seniority and CO seniority are in no way related.

JET

 
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RE: Class Of 2000 / Flying A Continental 777?

Thu Apr 10, 2003 2:01 am

JETPILOT, you're correct. Continental does not operate EMB-145s, they only sub-lease all of them to Continental Express. Nor does Continental operate COEX, they are just the majority owner and control their every move. And about the seniority, you must be a little confused. When a mainline pilot can no longer hold a position at CAL, they are placed on the CALEX seniority list. If CAL posts vacancies, eligible pilots flying at CALEX will fill those vacancies. That's how it works.
 
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RE: Class Of 2000 / Flying A Continental 777?

Thu Apr 10, 2003 2:17 am

I´m 24 years old and I´m captain on a Dornier 328. I started flying the Dornier at the age of 19!
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calpilot
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RE: Class Of 2000 / Flying A Continental 777?

Thu Apr 10, 2003 4:04 am

JET,

The "Flow-through" agreement is still in effect. Almost all of the 197 pilots to be furloughed in May are going to go fly RJs at COEx. Some will have enough senority to fly as Capt, some will only hold FO slots.

As of now there is no word on if or when this will end.

Back to subject, looks like JR B777 FO on this new bid will be 1987 hire.
 
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RE: Class Of 2000 / Flying A Continental 777?

Thu Apr 10, 2003 6:17 am

I think Cx flyboy was on to something. Perhaps the 'Class of 2000' didn't refer to high school or college graduation, but when he passed 777 training.

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jhooper
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RE: Class Of 2000 / Flying A Continental 777?

Thu Apr 10, 2003 9:02 am

Well, the place where I found the information was my school's alumni association's website, so I'm pretty sure the class year refers to the year he graduated.
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RE: Class Of 2000 / Flying A Continental 777?

Thu Apr 10, 2003 9:49 am

If I still want to be an airline pilot, I'd head to Europe. I'm still seriously considering it....

co
 
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RE: Class Of 2000 / Flying A Continental 777?

Thu Apr 10, 2003 10:17 am

Nevermind then, Jhooper.  Smile

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RE: Class Of 2000 / Flying A Continental 777?

Thu Apr 10, 2003 12:30 pm

Jhooper,

You should report this to the alumni assoc of your university. It certainly wouldn't want imposters being associated with the institution, particularly not on its web site. They can do a simple employment verification w/ CAL. How pathetic...
 
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RE: Class Of 2000 / Flying A Continental 777?

Thu Apr 10, 2003 1:49 pm

If possible, I would email this person and ask when they started flying for Continental. That is after complimenting this person for the website documenting the trip and other fluffy stuff.
 
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RE: Class Of 2000 / Flying A Continental 777?

Thu Apr 10, 2003 2:39 pm

"Here is a web site I created to tell about the trip"

If he created a website to tell about his trip, he obviously has no qualms about people reading it.

Jhooper says:
"I'd rather not post the link because then I'd be publishing the specific name of the person involved"

If he put his NAME on the website, again I would say he probably doesn't care who reads it.

Let us decide for ourselves. Let's see the URL.

Jet-A Gasguy

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RE: Class Of 2000 / Flying A Continental 777?

Thu Apr 10, 2003 2:56 pm

Is it common in Europe for pilots straigh out of school to fly for the majors?

Man, you lucky bastards!! I'll be lucky to be flying for an airline by the time I'm 30!
 
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RE: Class Of 2000 / Flying A Continental 777?

Thu Apr 10, 2003 9:16 pm

Rick,
do you know if BY still have the cadet school or if they intend to restart in the near future if it's not currently on-line?
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RE: Class Of 2000 / Flying A Continental 777?

Thu Apr 10, 2003 11:14 pm

Alex,

Something is still going on about the cadet scheme I'm sure. Send me an email and I will do some digging and find out.
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RE: Class Of 2000 / Flying A Continental 777?

Fri Apr 11, 2003 2:13 am

For gosh sakes, put the guys name on the web, I'll look at the senority list then we'll all know the answer. "period"
 
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RE: Class Of 2000 / Flying A Continental 777?

Fri Apr 11, 2003 4:13 am

A very good friend of mine is a f/o for Lauda air on the 767 an she is only 26 year old.
 
jhooper
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RE: Class Of 2000 / Flying A Continental 777?

Fri Apr 11, 2003 4:35 am

Ok; folks. I emailed the guy and got the following reply. After that and doing a little research, I don't have any reason to believe that the guy is not telling the truth. Basically, the "Class of 2000" refers to the year he recieved his graduate degree, and now he's working on his PhD. I made the assumption that he was a young man right out of college because just about everyone I know who goes to this school (even graduate students) go by their undergraduate class year (unless they did their undergraduate degree elsewhere). Besides, he just had a kid.

I'm concealing the identity of this pilot for this reason:

I believe the guy is telling the truth. I don't want to embarrass him by having people put his credentials into question publicly. It could backfire in a negative way, and I know it's a really small world.

Here's the reply:


I'm a 49-year old member of the Class of 2000. I proudly wear my Class of
2000 [deleted] Ring, the third one I have purchased, after earning my M.A. In
European History on a part-time basis from 1997 to 2000. The first two
[deleted] Rings I bought were for my sons, classes of '97 and '98.

I have worked for Continental Airlines for 17 years, and have flown the
B-777 for the past two. For eight years prior, I flew the DC-10.

Currently I'm working on my doctorate in history at [deleted], also on a part-time basis. I also find time to work with the [deleted], and
in my spare time I raise my one-year old daughter (by my second marriage).

As you can see, I'm kinda busy, but I always have time to answer emails such
as yours. Keep in touch.
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RE: Class Of 2000 / Flying A Continental 777?

Fri Apr 11, 2003 4:46 am

Well...

Any comments from those who's previous posts contained the words "liar", "BS", "imposter","impossible", etc.?

Who looks ridiculous now?
 
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RE: Class Of 2000 / Flying A Continental 777?

Fri Apr 11, 2003 4:47 am

Show him this thread, Jhooper and see what he says.

covert
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RE: Class Of 2000 / Flying A Continental 777?

Fri Apr 11, 2003 8:17 am

My statements were based on the guy claiming to be a new hire in 2000. Regardless of whether this story is real, there are plenty of others that aren't, and read the same way. If not, no harm no foul.
 
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RE: Class Of 2000 / Flying A Continental 777?

Fri Apr 11, 2003 4:13 pm

Changing the subject a bit back to where it was originally headed off-topic..heh...

I'm 19 years old and only have 350 hours....flying single pistons. You guys are lucky overseas!

Ah, well....give me four years and I should be right seat CRJ  Laugh out loud As long as I get there eventually, what can I say...I'm happy.
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RE: Class Of 2000 / Flying A Continental 777?

Sat Apr 12, 2003 1:37 am

On the aviation webpage for WMU, there is a pilot who graduated in 99 who is certified in the 777 and 747's for United.


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RE: Class Of 2000 / Flying A Continental 777?

Sat Apr 12, 2003 4:20 am

sure.......................................
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RE: Class Of 2000 / Flying A Continental 777?

Sat Apr 12, 2003 5:03 am

Continental, I'm with you on that one.

I've been contemplating moving to Europe after Undergrad and flying out there. Don't know how much sense that makes, but it sure as hell seems a lot nicer as a pilot in Germany/UK than over here.

We'll see...

FSP
 
jhooper
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RE: Class Of 2000 / Flying A Continental 777?

Sat Apr 12, 2003 10:36 am

I've heard it's extremely difficult to obtain the necessary work permits if you're an alien.
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covert
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RE: Class Of 2000 / Flying A Continental 777?

Sat Apr 12, 2003 10:59 am

Most European airlines require you have Citizenship or residency in any EU country as a condition of hire.

Most also require you to speak a certain language, usually of that country.

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RE: Class Of 2000 / Flying A Continental 777?

Sat Apr 12, 2003 6:04 pm

"On the aviation webpage for WMU, there is a pilot who graduated in 99 who is certified in the 777 and 747's for United."

Certified..........as in type rated? Ok. But there's a HUGe diff b/t being typed in the a/c, and being a line pilot, as was the gist of the thread.
 
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RE: Class Of 2000 / Flying A Continental 777?

Sat Apr 12, 2003 11:07 pm

Virgin (and others) have 19 year old cruise pilots (ie sit in capt's or first officer's seat for the middle five hours of a 15 hour flight). Makes the rest of us pretty envious but on the other hand it's probably a fairly dull job after the first six months.
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Rick767
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RE: Class Of 2000 / Flying A Continental 777?

Sat Apr 12, 2003 11:54 pm

Didn't think VS had cruise pilots? Come to think of it, didn't think any UK airline did?!

I doubt even if they do they are allowed to occupy the left seat, as acting pilot in command. In Britannia relief pilots can only occupy the left seat after passing an APIC (Acting Pilot In Command) course which involves having 2,500 hours Total Time and 1,000 hours in 757/767 line ops. Even I can't do that yet...
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RE: Class Of 2000 / Flying A Continental 777?

Sun Apr 13, 2003 1:54 am

In Cathay the rules allow a cruise pilot to fly left seat and not be acting commander. On a long haul flight we carry 4 crew; Captain, 2 FOs (One of which must be relief qualified) and an S/O. In these cases the relief FO must sit in the left seat when either flying with the other FO or the SO.

However we fly medium/long haul with 3 crew sometimes and in these instances, it is not inflight rest, but merely a 'legstrech'. In these instances, the FO may be relief pilot qualified (2.5 stripes) and not neccessarily relief command qualified (3 stripes). One thing that having 2.5 stripes does not allow you to do is to fly from the left seat, so on flights to Australia and the Middle East, the inexperienced S/O flies from the left seat and the F/O (2.5 stripes) flies right seat. If the FO happens to be a 3 striper, then he takes his/her place in the left seat. We then have the possibility of having two 20-something year old in charge of a 747-400.
 
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RE: Class Of 2000 / Flying A Continental 777?

Sun Apr 13, 2003 3:22 am

Cx flyboy,

Very interesting to hear your procedures with regard to this. Every airline is different of course!! Here in Britannia we have only a handful of routes which require a third pilot and allow the "legstretch" for each pilot for a few hours that you mentioned.

Generally the crew complement will be a Captain (who is the legal commander) and two First Officers. One f/o must be APIC qualified, and when the Captain goes on his rest period that f/o occupies the left seat. If the other first officer is not APIC qualified, he cannot occupy the left seat in this situation.

APIC training in our airline comprises specific detail on handling the aircraft from the left seat, and requires the experience I outlined in the previous post.
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RE: Class Of 2000 / Flying A Continental 777?

Tue Apr 15, 2003 12:06 am

Note to self, stay away from Cathay Pacific......  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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