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717 Eyebrows Removed; Why Not 737?

Tue May 06, 2003 12:06 pm

Boeing decided to remove the 717 "eyebrow" windows because it would save weight and decrease costs, no?

Why hasn't it done this with the 737 series?
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RE: 717 Eyebrows Removed; Why Not 737?

Tue May 06, 2003 12:20 pm

There not removed from the 717. The eyebrow windows are just not installed on New built 717s. (I think after ship #48)

 
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RE: 717 Eyebrows Removed; Why Not 737?

Tue May 06, 2003 12:23 pm

Point being is that no new build 717s will have them, so why will new build 737s?

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RE: 717 Eyebrows Removed; Why Not 737?

Tue May 06, 2003 12:44 pm

My guess would be that, the Mod and the change to the tooling was easier than it would be for the 737NG.
 
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RE: 717 Eyebrows Removed; Why Not 737?

Tue May 06, 2003 2:59 pm

Eyebrow windows were not a certification requirement on the DC-9 through 717 series aircraft, they were just nice to have. I presume that the 707/720/727/737 eyebrow windows were included in the certification requirement for flight deck visibility, therefore recertification would be required to discontinue installation of the windows.
 
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RE: 717 Eyebrows Removed; Why Not 737?

Thu May 08, 2003 4:13 am

It has been discussed. I remember readign that Boeing was considering removing the 737 windows as well, depending on whether the performance would make the change worthwhile.

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RE: 717 Eyebrows Removed; Why Not 737?

Thu May 08, 2003 3:37 pm


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RE: 717 Eyebrows Removed; Why Not 737?

Fri May 09, 2003 6:01 am

I think the 717 looks nicer without the windows. Boeing needs to remove them from the 737 as well...it's the only current Boeing with them.
 
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RE: 717 Eyebrows Removed; Why Not 737?

Tue May 13, 2003 11:07 am


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RE: 717 Eyebrows Removed; Why Not 737?

Thu May 15, 2003 12:24 am

If you look at this picture (yes, I took it, shameless plug) the reason for the 717 visit to BFI was to show the 737 engineers the work, and to discuss the possibility of future 737's not having the windows.


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RE: 717 Eyebrows Removed; Why Not 737?

Fri May 23, 2003 8:20 am

That's rigth about the time when I was flying the PA28s in BFI. I was wondering what the B717 was doing there.. Why they didn't bring it into RNT?
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RE: 717 Eyebrows Removed; Why Not 737?

Sat May 24, 2003 3:09 am

The eyebrows is the sign for boeings Big grin
If they made the 737s without eyebrows it looks like Airbuses with sharp noses  Sad
737's looks more AGRESSIVE with eyebrows on Big grin
The 717 is a copy of the space shuttles :P

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RE: 717 Eyebrows Removed; Why Not 737?

Sun May 25, 2003 7:21 am

Eyebrow windows are for those moments when you are turning and looking for traffic at those little airports that jets used to serve (pre-de-regulation). Those airports are now the territory of the turboprop airliners. Left overs from the art of "see and avoid".
 
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RE: 717 Eyebrows Removed; Why Not 737?

Tue May 27, 2003 11:37 am

Boeing will be removing the eybrow windows from 737NG. The windows were there for navigation and with new navigation and backup they are no longer required. I wish I had a reference I could quote on their removal, however stay tuned...
 
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RE: 717 Eyebrows Removed; Why Not 737?

Thu May 29, 2003 4:35 am

Right, eyebrow windows are not required because jets hardly do any VFR flying nowadays.

And with upcoming equipment permitting fully automated Cat I/II/III landings and GNSS (sp?) approaches...
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RE: 717 Eyebrows Removed; Why Not 737?

Sat May 31, 2003 12:40 am

Airtran the other day got full approval to do autolands in the 717. Before only check airman were allowed. The only thing that stinks its to CAT 1 minimums. Hopefully in the fall it will go to CAT II and CAT III, When it is really needed.
 
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RE: 717 Eyebrows Removed; Why Not 737?

Wed Jun 04, 2003 11:21 pm

You mean, they haven't been doing Autolands all along. Damn, those pilots are good at landing. Everytime I fly them, we land perfectly. (Well, Except for that one near go-around). But other than that, AirTran's pilots are superb.
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RE: 717 Eyebrows Removed; Why Not 737?

Sat Jun 07, 2003 12:01 pm

The Age of TCAS has pretty much eliminated the need for the eyebrows..
To bad 717 still cant get a good set of BR715 one them, its amazing the amount of engine changes i have seen for the 717...
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