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RiffedAAMech
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Will AA Recall Any AMT's In The Future?

Mon Jun 21, 2004 8:24 am

Thought I'd ask any A&P's who work for AA what the latest rumors are for maintenance. Any sign of recalls happening in the future?
 
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RE: Will AA Recall Any AMT's In The Future?

Mon Jun 21, 2004 11:48 am

As of right now the word is none in the near term. There was a rumor late last year that AA was going to man FLL. However nothing has come of that as of yet. The only rumor floating around right now is that they are looking at closing some class 2's.

I know this is not the most encouraging news in the world and I'm sorry about that. Hang in there and hopefully things will get better soon.
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RE: Will AA Recall Any AMT's In The Future?

Tue Jun 22, 2004 12:29 am

Looks like I shouldn't even bother searching for my first A&P job next month when I graduate.
 
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RE: Will AA Recall Any AMT's In The Future?

Tue Jun 22, 2004 5:18 am

UALbagsmasher:

I wouldn't say don't even bother, if you don't look then you obviously won't get a job. However I'm not going to blow smoke and give you a rah rah speech. Right now times are tight as far as A&P jobs are concerned. The funny thing is the current "glut" of A&P's is artificial. I personally know more than one AMT who has turned his back on the aviation industry. Once the industry starts picking up speed it will find they are short of qualified A&P's. So I guess if you decide to stick around eventually you will be able to get the job you want.

My advice to you is to stay in school and get a four year degree. It can't hurt and it will give you more options in the future. If staying in school is not an option you can always try an FBO or a third party maintenance outfit. The competition will be tight but you might get lucky.
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RE: Will AA Recall Any AMT's In The Future?

Tue Jun 22, 2004 7:42 am

UAL
Get out there and send some resume's. The repair stations are where you'll get a start and the contract agencies are all looking. Problem is they're all looking for specific types of experience.
If you give companies like PEMCO, EAC, AAR, TIMCO and others a call or a letter you'll eventually get lucky.
Money isn't too good but we all started out on the cheap and most of us have done the vagabond nomad routine.
Keep your chin up and don't quit trying.
There is a shortage not a glut. It'll work down to the beginner level soon enough.
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Give that website a look and it'll give you a good idea who's hiring and where.

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RE: Will AA Recall Any AMT's In The Future?

Tue Jun 22, 2004 8:42 am

Once the industry starts picking up speed it will find they are short of qualified A&P's

Quite cyclical, this industry is. There was, and still is, a shortage of A&P's of sorts...but the upheaval in the industry has changed how and why. Before 9-11, market forces and the shortage therein were just about starting to tip the balance in favor of AMT's ( albeit with much vitriol ) but obviously things have changed. The upheaval led to an attempted and still present move to reset the entire paradigm. From this, the educated conspiracy theorist in me seems to suggest that the attempt to remedy this artificial shortage ( due to the falling compensation/security ) will be more along the lines of cheapening the profession and lowering standards...it's all about bucks kids: "Nobody will take these jobs...." Well, nobody qualified will take these jobs at what's being offered...so they just lower the requirements. The industry lobbyists may well have begun to start burning the midnight oil.

[Edited 2004-06-22 01:43:00]
 
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RE: Will AA Recall Any AMT's In The Future?

Tue Jun 22, 2004 9:42 am

Unfortunately, you guys get a shorter end of the stick than us pilots. No matter what, they always need two of us per flight but they seem to think that having fewer mechanics is always a good way to save money. I often wonder how much longer it will be before we start seeing safety greatly affected by the penny pinchers.

UAL, Check into the regionals. The pay isn't as good, but the experience is there and with their rapid expansion many are hiring. Trans States has a maintinance base here at STL and we share ramp space with them. I've seen a lot of new faces around here lately and they are buying up RJs as fast as Embraer can build them.
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RE: Will AA Recall Any AMT's In The Future?

Tue Jun 22, 2004 3:45 pm

UAL Bagsmasher

I know for sure that SkyWest is hiring right now.
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RE: Will AA Recall Any AMT's In The Future?

Tue Jun 22, 2004 10:11 pm

Thanks for the advice guys. I'm trying to avoid 3rd party outfits since most airlines won't look at them as providing useful experience, or so I have been told. I've sent resumes to just about all the regionals, but have only had one interview so far.
 
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RE: Will AA Recall Any AMT's In The Future?

Tue Jun 22, 2004 10:57 pm

RiffedAAmech:

Latest rumor is that the new management in LA is having a meeting with week with the "union" regarding manpower. Guess they are finding themselves a bit shorthanded. I also hear guys are finally getting tired of working the overtime.

UALBagsmasher:

You can get useful experience at a third party outfit that's applicable to the airlines. I'm a bit leery of them in the sense that quite a few of them are sweatshops. Some of my co-workers have worked the third party side and they have few fond memories of them.
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RE: Will AA Recall Any AMT's In The Future?

Wed Jun 23, 2004 11:35 am

LMP737:

Everyone is supposed to turn down overtime, but I guess that isn't the real world. We will see if the new management will bring back some work or if it will all be the same.
 
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RE: Will AA Recall Any AMT's In The Future?

Fri Jun 25, 2004 12:14 am

Just a "heads up"; Seems the thing is beginning to turn.
There's an airline in LAS that's going to be hiring "young" motivated people to train from scratch to build the company like they used to do in the 50's and 60's. At least that's the plan.
Seems there aren't too many out there that "know" the MD80 and are also willing to start for less than $20/hr so the plan is to start from scratch and do the training in-house with pay as an incentive to get good at the job.
There's also a start-up getting ready to go in PHX/CHD that'll be looking for semi-retired MD80 people very soon.
We'll see won't we...
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RE: Will AA Recall Any AMT's In The Future?

Sat Jun 26, 2004 1:25 am

RiffedAAmech:

In a perfect world everyone is supposed to turn down overtime. However you and I both know this is not the case.
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RE: Will AA Recall Any AMT's In The Future?

Sat Jun 26, 2004 10:05 am

Looks like I shouldn't even bother searching for my first A&P job next month when I graduate.

I won't not really say that. I started applying a few months before graduating. I was called and interview just a month before graduation, and had a job waiting for me.
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RE: Will AA Recall Any AMT's In The Future?

Sun Jun 27, 2004 12:29 am

I'm trying to avoid 3rd party outfits since most airlines won't look at them as providing useful experience, or so I have been told.

That used to be the policy at DL, but is no longer the case. We have several people from Timco, BFG, FBO's and others. Get some Avionics experience and an FCC license if you can. A degree is not a bad idea if you don't have one.
This plane is built to withstand anything... except a bad pilot.

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RE: Will AA Recall Any AMT's In The Future?

Sun Jun 27, 2004 1:09 am

Cessna is opening the largest general aviation maintanence facility in the world in Wichita, KS this fall. They are looking to hire A&P mechs.
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RE: Will AA Recall Any AMT's In The Future?

Wed Jun 30, 2004 11:13 pm

RiffedAAmech:

Latest rumor to hit the shop floor. Five too LAX, ten too DFW and ten too MIA.
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RE: Will AA Recall Any AMT's In The Future?

Thu Jul 01, 2004 4:38 am

Well, I have a job lined up at C8 when I graduate next month. Smile Persistance pays off.
 
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RE: Will AA Recall Any AMT's In The Future?

Thu Jul 01, 2004 7:13 am

UAL Bagsmasher:

Congrats on you're new job! Forgive my ignorance but who is C8?
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RE: Will AA Recall Any AMT's In The Future?

Thu Jul 01, 2004 7:15 am

Congratulations UAL! Happy to have you. Gosh, we all know the Saabs will keep you busy  Laugh out loud Great airplane to learn the trade on.

joe
 
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RE: Will AA Recall Any AMT's In The Future?

Thu Jul 01, 2004 7:38 am

C8 is Chicago Express...... They have a fleet of around 17-20 mostly former American Eagle Saab 340B's.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
 
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RE:Jjbiv

Thu Jul 01, 2004 10:41 pm

Thanks for the welcome. IIRC, I worked a charter with you in TOL a couple years back at TOL Aviation. I flew in for the day from ORD.
 
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RE: LMP737

Fri Jul 02, 2004 2:10 am

Thank you on the congrats. Are the Saabs MX hogs?
 
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RE: Will AA Recall Any AMT's In The Future?

Fri Jul 02, 2004 7:04 am

Yes, I remember you. We did do that charter together. How did your trip to XNA go? I remember hearing something about it from Brad.

Our Mx folks and contractors keep the Saabs running well (usually 99% monthly completion factor) but I'm sure it takes a lot of effort. The climate control system and avionics seem to act up in the summer and the winter brings anti-icing issues (brittle boots). You'll probably know more than I do in short order. Let me know when you get settled in, I'd love to come check out the Mx operation at MDW.

joe
 
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RE: Will AA Recall Any AMT's In The Future?

Fri Jul 02, 2004 8:14 am

Are the Saabs MX hogs?....Only if you don't keep up on the Preventive Maintenance program. I'n my 8 years working the SF340 I've never seen any major issues...and as for brittle boots..? ...thats a new one on me.
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RE: Will AA Recall Any AMT's In The Future?

Sat Jul 03, 2004 2:15 am

Joe, the XNA trip was great. Got F class both ways and got fed rather nicely. (flying is dining experience before a mode of transportation Big grin)
I had all of 15 min for a layover. The flight home had fewer than one dozen pax. I might just have to sneak another one in Saturday...


I'll give you a shout once I get my bearings at C8.
 
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RE: Will AA Recall Any AMT's In The Future?

Wed Jul 07, 2004 10:14 pm

Well, that ended fast. I've been laid off before I even started. "Due to restructuring, everything is being put on hold, yadda yadda." Back to square one. I got the call yesterday.
 
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RE: Will AA Recall Any AMT's In The Future?

Thu Jul 08, 2004 12:12 am

http://www.climbto350.com
This is a good barometer of who is hiring how many
The repair stations should be interviewing pretty soon for their September hires before the Thanksgiving/Christmas layoffs...
Best of luck
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RE: Will AA Recall Any AMT's In The Future?

Thu Jul 08, 2004 12:59 am

Sorry to hear that. Hopefully the summer will tell where things are going over here. Lots of options, everything seems to be in limbo.

joe

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