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RE: 727 Trivia Thread
Hey, JetMechMD80, I was involved in helping to remove the lower portion of the "S" duct during a D check. I could not agree with you more!! I like that comment from the Boeing rep., I may have pulled something falling on the floor laughing. I worked a Jordanian 727-100 and I think these guys try to out do each other. Quite an experience.
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RE: 727 Trivia Thread
One of the funniest things I remember was dealing with the Saudi Rep. They wanted "new" tires put on the aircraft. The ones that were on it were still well within limits. Okay, so I ordered 4 new mains. When you get them, they may be Goodyear, BF Goodrich, Michelin, who knows, right? We have no control as to what we get. They are all the same P/N. Well, the Saudi Rep, said he wanted "All Goodyear", he did not want a mix. When I explained the above to him, he just said "All Goodyear" again. So I kept ordering tires until I got a complete set of Goodyear's. I must have ordered like 15 tires. They paid for all of them.
They also didn't like the Mechanics drinking CocaCola around the airplane. Pepsi was ok. LOL
They also didn't like the Mechanics drinking CocaCola around the airplane. Pepsi was ok. LOL
RE: 727 Trivia Thread
While stationed at ADW I handled a number of Saudi VIP aircraft for USAF. Now USAF always bills the Embassies for work done on foreign aircraft at ADW, but the Saudi rep at the aircraft always wanted to pay cash, as we finished, to the guys who worked the aircraft. Now a USAF member accepting cash from a foreign government is a definite no-no, so what to do?
SOP was to politely decline the cash, then when the Saudi rep insisted, accept the cash then immediately turn it over to the State Dept rep at the aircraft. This accomodated Saudi custom and kept me and my guys from an ethics diliema. The Saudi rep was in on it but pretended he didn't see me give the dough to State. He always hooked us up with leftover food or beverage from the galley which was cool (and under the gift limit).
..and I always got a good razing for my honesty back at the shop, as the Saudis were very generous and would hand over 2 or 3 thousand for 2 stairtrucks for an hour, a lav service, and a foreign trash pickup.....
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SOP was to politely decline the cash, then when the Saudi rep insisted, accept the cash then immediately turn it over to the State Dept rep at the aircraft. This accomodated Saudi custom and kept me and my guys from an ethics diliema. The Saudi rep was in on it but pretended he didn't see me give the dough to State. He always hooked us up with leftover food or beverage from the galley which was cool (and under the gift limit).
..and I always got a good razing for my honesty back at the shop, as the Saudis were very generous and would hand over 2 or 3 thousand for 2 stairtrucks for an hour, a lav service, and a foreign trash pickup.....
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RE: 727 Trivia Thread
No such luck on my part. Our rep. was a British "engineer", he knew the game and wasn't about to have one put over on him. He was cool though and the 4 of us (no more) were treated well. He wasn't picky about the tires either. It was kind of nice working the bird and not having to deal with all the FAA crap. As long as we stuck with the mm, all was well. We had a hyd line crack at the fitting, so I just wipped up another line in about 2 hours , installed and leak checked it and signed it off.
RE: 727 Trivia Thread
Doesn't the 727 have the highest tire loading (if that's the correct term) of any airliner? In other words, doesn't it exert the highest PSI on the pavement? I thought I read that somewhere...
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RE: 727 Trivia Thread
Alright, we have a couple guys in here who have worked on these things in the past. I'm going to ask a question that I started a thread about a few months back but haven't been able to get an answer to:
Kitty Hawk and a couple other carriers have some 727-200s with what appear to be pitot tubes on Viagra just forward of the mains on each side. They are about 24" aft of the fowler flap and maybe 12" outboard of the cooling fans. I have no idea what they are and have only seen them on a few aircraft. Unfortunately, these things come in at night and I'm usually busy so I don't have a good chance to get a pic and have come up empty after scouring the web for one. If you can help, thanks!
Second, Custom Air Transport flies at least one of the "super 27s" without winglets. Those -217 engines don't look right on that aircraft. Too big.
Third, what does my signature at the bottom of the post have to do with the 727?
Kitty Hawk and a couple other carriers have some 727-200s with what appear to be pitot tubes on Viagra just forward of the mains on each side. They are about 24" aft of the fowler flap and maybe 12" outboard of the cooling fans. I have no idea what they are and have only seen them on a few aircraft. Unfortunately, these things come in at night and I'm usually busy so I don't have a good chance to get a pic and have come up empty after scouring the web for one. If you can help, thanks!
Second, Custom Air Transport flies at least one of the "super 27s" without winglets. Those -217 engines don't look right on that aircraft. Too big.
Third, what does my signature at the bottom of the post have to do with the 727?
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RE: 727 Trivia Thread
Pilotpip,
I am going to say that what you are seeing on the Kitty Hawk birds are ADF Sense Antennas. By your description they are in the right place.
11,500 30,000 11,500
11,500= The number of mechanics who have fell asleep in the E&E compartment, and missed clocking out at the end of their shift.
30,000= The number of people who confuse a DC-9/MD-80, with a 727.
11,500= The number of hernia operations resulting from trying to remove a 727 balloon tire from the fwd pit.
Just a joke, I have no idea. Do the numbers have something to do with performance?
I am going to say that what you are seeing on the Kitty Hawk birds are ADF Sense Antennas. By your description they are in the right place.
11,500 30,000 11,500
11,500= The number of mechanics who have fell asleep in the E&E compartment, and missed clocking out at the end of their shift.
30,000= The number of people who confuse a DC-9/MD-80, with a 727.
11,500= The number of hernia operations resulting from trying to remove a 727 balloon tire from the fwd pit.
Just a joke, I have no idea. Do the numbers have something to do with performance?
RE: 727 Trivia Thread
11,500= The number of mechanics who have fell asleep in the E&E compartment, and missed clocking out at the end of their shift.
11,500= Also, the number of mechanics who had to try to put the e&e door back on its track after getting out.
11,500= Also, the number of mechanics who had to try to put the e&e door back on its track after getting out.
RE: 727 Trivia Thread
JetMech80, that humor is deserving of my respected user list. In actuality it's the capacity, in pounds of the wings and center tank. Basically topping the aircraft off if there are no aux tanks.
I've never seen anything like these tubes and I haven't been able to get a good answer. Maybe they are what you say. The only thing is that only a few of the aircraft I've seen have this feature. I only wish I had a good pic. You would think that with the commonality of ADF in these aircraft they would all have it. But the tube has an opening at the front and I think it is some kind of brake cooling duct that uses ram air for cooling the brakes after the gear is retracted. One of these days I'll have one in during daylight hours and I'll get a shot of one.
I've never seen anything like these tubes and I haven't been able to get a good answer. Maybe they are what you say. The only thing is that only a few of the aircraft I've seen have this feature. I only wish I had a good pic. You would think that with the commonality of ADF in these aircraft they would all have it. But the tube has an opening at the front and I think it is some kind of brake cooling duct that uses ram air for cooling the brakes after the gear is retracted. One of these days I'll have one in during daylight hours and I'll get a shot of one.
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RE: 727 Trivia Thread
> Second, Custom Air Transport flies at least one of the "super 27s" without
> winglets. Those -217 engines don't look right on that aircraft. Too big.
This isn't surprising, as the "Super 27" STC is form Goodrich and only covers the engines. The winglets are a Quietwing STC.
> winglets. Those -217 engines don't look right on that aircraft. Too big.
This isn't surprising, as the "Super 27" STC is form Goodrich and only covers the engines. The winglets are a Quietwing STC.
RE: 727 Trivia Thread
Pilotpip I assume that you mean aft of the Krueger flaps. Fowler flaps are a trailing edge type.
JetMechMD80 if this counts, the number would be 30,001
Many years ago I was standing on an FBO ramp when the Administrator of the FAA arrived. He and his staff came down the stairs and were milling about when he saw the Gulfstream II N10XY belonging to Dr. Armand Hammer and Occidental Petroleum. The Administrator, I won't mention his name because that would be indiscreet, (whispers) Alexander Butterfield said:
"Whose 727 is that?"
One of his GS-supergrade assistants said: "I think it's a DC-9" and the debate went on from there. I had to walk away.
JetMechMD80 if this counts, the number would be 30,001
Many years ago I was standing on an FBO ramp when the Administrator of the FAA arrived. He and his staff came down the stairs and were milling about when he saw the Gulfstream II N10XY belonging to Dr. Armand Hammer and Occidental Petroleum. The Administrator, I won't mention his name because that would be indiscreet, (whispers) Alexander Butterfield said:
"Whose 727 is that?"
One of his GS-supergrade assistants said: "I think it's a DC-9" and the debate went on from there. I had to walk away.
RE: 727 Trivia Thread
Slamclick,
Thanks for pointing that one out to me. Misnaming on my part. Fowler flaps are the style that travel down as well as aft. Then there's the whole issue of kreuger flaps being leading edge devices versus in the back like the flaps we all tend to think of. I didn't catch that one at 0500 this morning. I'm glad there are some wise ones on here to catch an obvious error like that.
Funny story though about the FAA Administrator. That really doesn't surprise me though. Most of the people in those positions seem to have little experience with the industry they now rule over. I guess like aviation, sometimes it's more who you know than what you know.
Thanks for pointing that one out to me. Misnaming on my part. Fowler flaps are the style that travel down as well as aft. Then there's the whole issue of kreuger flaps being leading edge devices versus in the back like the flaps we all tend to think of. I didn't catch that one at 0500 this morning. I'm glad there are some wise ones on here to catch an obvious error like that.
Funny story though about the FAA Administrator. That really doesn't surprise me though. Most of the people in those positions seem to have little experience with the industry they now rule over. I guess like aviation, sometimes it's more who you know than what you know.
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RE: 727 Trivia Thread
11,500 30,000 11,500. I should have known that. It has been a while. I do remember we used to put on 7,000 7,000 7,000 for test flights.
I have another one,
11,500= How many tries it will take you to get the bolts started when changing a windshield wiper motor on a 727.
30,000=How many times you will beat and cuss the Load Control Valve, in the winter.
11,500=How many times you will cuss trying to safety wire in the band clamps, on the Load Control Valve. When you have changed it, because beating on it no longer makes it open.
I have another one,
11,500= How many tries it will take you to get the bolts started when changing a windshield wiper motor on a 727.
30,000=How many times you will beat and cuss the Load Control Valve, in the winter.
11,500=How many times you will cuss trying to safety wire in the band clamps, on the Load Control Valve. When you have changed it, because beating on it no longer makes it open.
RE: 727 Trivia Thread
11,500 - starting annual salary for a flight engineer.
30,000 - what a captain tops out at.
11,500 - the number of pilot applications on file
30,000 - what a captain tops out at.
11,500 - the number of pilot applications on file
RE: 727 Trivia Thread
-Q: How many of all u guy´s that have worked/works on the 727 have done what I´ve done....not once but twice.....
-The story goes like this :
-A few years ago we used to tow a 727 (won´t reveal the airlines name
) here at ARN for it´s nightstops..when time came in the morning rushhour to get it down to it´s assigned gate from a ramparea far away from the terminals..we were always in a rush...I did the same mistake twice when starting the APU...the actuator switch was placed beside the cabin oxygen mask release switch....guess wich one I flipped... 
..without lookin down..
-Imagine the stress on all of us when we arrived at the gate and started to hang up all masks in the cabin whilst the crew and catering people was trying to prepare for boarding.....
"Oh..those were the days.."..
-The story goes like this :
-A few years ago we used to tow a 727 (won´t reveal the airlines name
) here at ARN for it´s nightstops..when time came in the morning rushhour to get it down to it´s assigned gate from a ramparea far away from the terminals..we were always in a rush...I did the same mistake twice when starting the APU...the actuator switch was placed beside the cabin oxygen mask release switch....guess wich one I flipped... ..without lookin down..
-Imagine the stress on all of us when we arrived at the gate and started to hang up all masks in the cabin whilst the crew and catering people was trying to prepare for boarding.....
"Oh..those were the days.."..
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RE: 727 Trivia Thread
11,500 = the number of mechanics, who slipped a disk when trying to lift off a 727 brake from the axle...
11,500 = the number of mechanics who had the same problem, lifting the new brake out of it´s container
30,000 = the number of mechanics, who cursed the damn bolts holding the brake to the axle flange...
(I like the 727, it is a neat little plane and I´ll be sad to see it go, but changing brakes is a PITA, the brake units are extremely heavy, and esp. on the outboard brake, there is not enough space under the wheel well door to use a brake change crane to lift in into position. There is also only space for two mechanics to lift it.
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11,500 = the number of mechanics who had the same problem, lifting the new brake out of it´s container
30,000 = the number of mechanics, who cursed the damn bolts holding the brake to the axle flange...
(I like the 727, it is a neat little plane and I´ll be sad to see it go, but changing brakes is a PITA, the brake units are extremely heavy, and esp. on the outboard brake, there is not enough space under the wheel well door to use a brake change crane to lift in into position. There is also only space for two mechanics to lift it.
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RE: 727 Trivia Thread
Pilotpip It is indeed a ram air inlet for brake cooling. Some of the CAT planes have them also.
I would also agree that the brake on the 727 can be difficult, does anyone like to do those brake jobs?
11,500=The number of mechanics who have stabbed their backs on the flying wing while changing a tire or brake.
30,000=The number of mechanics who have stabbed their backs on the flying wing while changing a tire or brake, and know better.
11,500=The number of times a mechanic has been called out to the plane because a new s/o says the apu shut down by it self all of a sudden and doesn't know what happened. You guess what happened.
I would also agree that the brake on the 727 can be difficult, does anyone like to do those brake jobs?
11,500=The number of mechanics who have stabbed their backs on the flying wing while changing a tire or brake.
30,000=The number of mechanics who have stabbed their backs on the flying wing while changing a tire or brake, and know better.
11,500=The number of times a mechanic has been called out to the plane because a new s/o says the apu shut down by it self all of a sudden and doesn't know what happened. You guess what happened.
RE: 727 Trivia Thread
Is the 727 the only Boeing with such an unusual APU location?
I'm also guessing that the 727 maingear is not a trailling link design (which I suppose probably isn't practical for such a large plane), considering how I've felt pilots pound the pavement upon arrival several times in 727s.
I've never flown in a 112/114/115, but my mother once had an opportunity to fly a Rockwell 112, which has a very nice trailing link gear design that makes smooth touchdowns easy.
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I'm also guessing that the 727 maingear is not a trailling link design (which I suppose probably isn't practical for such a large plane), considering how I've felt pilots pound the pavement upon arrival several times in 727s.
I've never flown in a 112/114/115, but my mother once had an opportunity to fly a Rockwell 112, which has a very nice trailing link gear design that makes smooth touchdowns easy.
Photo © Gary Watt - AirTeamImages
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RE: 727 Trivia Thread
The current KC-135s have a dual APU mounted on the left aft side of the main deck. I think the original production items had a single APU mounted somewhere. The dual units were installed so that all four engines could be started simultaneously in a scramble.
I don't know if production 707s had APUs, but at least one has had a dual set mounted in the cargo pit by Stewart-Warner.
The E-3 Sentry has an APU mounted in the belly, just aft of the main wheel well.
The E-8 J-STARS must have an APU, but I don't know where they are mounted.
727s have an APU in the main wheel well, installed in a hole in the keel beam.
737s, 747s, 757s, 767s and 777s have APUs in the tail cone.
Which brings me back to my trivia question: name the two 737s with unusual APU installations.
The answer:
Boeing's Airborne Flying Laboratory 737-200 had the normal APU, plus a diesel engine installed in the rear cargo pit as a secondary APU. Note the radiator mounted above the aft fuselage. In some pictures, you can even see the exhaust streak...
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The NT-43A has no APU, as the structure to hold the rear radome on is in this area...
I don't know if production 707s had APUs, but at least one has had a dual set mounted in the cargo pit by Stewart-Warner.
The E-3 Sentry has an APU mounted in the belly, just aft of the main wheel well.
The E-8 J-STARS must have an APU, but I don't know where they are mounted.
727s have an APU in the main wheel well, installed in a hole in the keel beam.
737s, 747s, 757s, 767s and 777s have APUs in the tail cone.
Which brings me back to my trivia question: name the two 737s with unusual APU installations.
The answer:
Boeing's Airborne Flying Laboratory 737-200 had the normal APU, plus a diesel engine installed in the rear cargo pit as a secondary APU. Note the radiator mounted above the aft fuselage. In some pictures, you can even see the exhaust streak...
Photo © Andreas Mowinckel
The NT-43A has no APU, as the structure to hold the rear radome on is in this area...
RE: 727 Trivia Thread
Ha, the back end of that NT-43 makes it look like they've had an aft pressure bulkhead failure...
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RE: 727 Trivia Thread
The APU on the J-STARS E-8 is located in the aft pit.
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> The APU on the J-STARS E-8 is located in the aft pit.
Is it flight operable?
Is it flight operable?
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