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TuRbUleNc3
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Boarding A320's

Mon May 29, 2006 8:56 pm

Right question time, pens and papers at the ready!

When we board the A320, we have to do the middle section first, otherwise it was explained to us it will tip and end up sitting down.

We board the 757 back first, and that doesnt tip, even though its a bigger aircraft.

Anyone know if the statement about the A320 is actually true?
 
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RE: Boarding A320's

Mon May 29, 2006 11:01 pm

erm, what the hell are you talking about??
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RE: Boarding A320's

Mon May 29, 2006 11:13 pm

I think the Poster is referring to the Pax Boarding procedure.
I don't think the A320 has such an Aft CG to warrant this Boarding Procedure.
Which Airline.
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RE: Boarding A320's

Mon May 29, 2006 11:22 pm

That was a pretty incoherent question. The A320 will not tip. I know this as i have boarded several B6 A320s through the aft door and it did not tip.
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RE: Boarding A320's

Tue May 30, 2006 1:51 am

There is no problem with A320, but there can be a problem with A321. Very occasionally the aircraft can be at extreme CG, and we get asked to remove a container from the rear hold before pax are offloaded. But havent had any problem with A320.
 
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RE: Boarding A320's

Tue May 30, 2006 8:15 am

Quoting Liedetectors (Reply 3):
That was a pretty incoherent question. The A320 will not tip. I know this as i have boarded several B6 A320s through the aft door and it did not tip.

I found the question very simple to understand.

With my airline we board the back half first (generally rows 14-28). Never had any concerns raised about tipping the beast on its rear.
 
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RE: Boarding A320's

Tue May 30, 2006 8:51 am

What about the B777-300 or even the MD-11? Are there concerns about them tipping over in reality like what tristarsteve mentioned? From the way I see the MD-11 taxies it does look like it's always real heavy at the back!
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RE: Boarding A320's

Tue May 30, 2006 10:24 am

The 777-300ER and MD-11 do both have special loading procedures.

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RE: Boarding A320's

Tue May 30, 2006 1:06 pm

All the times I've boarded the A320s ( on the intra-France shuttles ), the boarding sequence has always been in order of rear rows, middle and front rows.

This was mainly done to facilitate quick boarding and avoid people standing in the aisle while others loaded cabin baggage on the overhead bins. But, I never heard of boarding pax order being linked to the aircraft's CG.
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RE: Boarding A320's

Tue May 30, 2006 1:10 pm

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 7):
The 777-300ER and MD-11 do both have special loading procedures.

Im interested in this...Care to elaborate further, please?

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RE: Boarding A320's

Tue May 30, 2006 11:21 pm

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 7):
The 777-300ER and MD-11 do both have special loading procedures.

Whats this Sequence Like.
What about the B727.
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RE: Boarding A320's

Wed May 31, 2006 12:09 am

During boarding (from an airbridge or single steps at the front) we get a few rows in the forward cabin, most of the middle cabin and then the aft cabin, then just pile in the rest of the forward rows.

We apparently had an incident where one of our A320s started to tip over in EFL, I'll try and find the report. Maybe it is because our A320s are in full charter/economy config.

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RE: Boarding A320's

Wed May 31, 2006 8:23 am

Not quite boarding but I thought I would mention yet.

When loading baggage and freight and cargo into our A320's we load first the front then the back. Unloading the opposite occurs, the rear holds are unloaded first then the front holds. This is most definitly done to prevent tipping.
 
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RE: Boarding A320's

Wed May 31, 2006 9:38 am

Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 12):
When loading baggage and freight and cargo into our A320's we load first the front then the back. Unloading the opposite occurs, the rear holds are unloaded first then the front holds. This is most definitly done to prevent tipping.

NW has a warning near the front cargo door on their A320s that says unload the rear cargo first. I haven't seen this on other airlines, however.
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TuRbUleNc3
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RE: Boarding A320's

Thu Jun 01, 2006 12:01 am

Airlines in question are Onur Air (A321), MyTravel, First Choice and Air Malta that we do, i didnt think it would tip, but theres notices on every boarding gate saying about it.

Thanks though guys
 
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RE: Boarding A320's

Thu Jun 01, 2006 2:37 am

Quoting Speedbirdie (Reply 1):
erm, what the hell are you talking about??

That was quite rude...

The only boarding procedures that i've encountered are for the rear rows to board first. This is simply because the door is at the front, its quicker if you board from the rear to the front.
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RE: Boarding A320's

Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:46 am

Quoting Kaddyuk (Reply 15):
Quoting Speedbirdie (Reply 1):
erm, what the hell are you talking about??

That was quite rude...

And thus began the Upstairs-Downstairs War.  Smile
 
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RE: Boarding A320's

Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:48 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 10):
What about the B727.

The 727-200 always, always has the aft airstair locked down during passenger boarding/deplaning. The stretch from the -100 included 10 feet forward of the wing and ten feet aft of it. This did make it a bit tail-heavy.
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RE: Boarding A320's

Fri Jun 02, 2006 6:46 pm

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 17):
The 727-200 always, always has the aft airstair locked down during passenger boarding/deplaning

Does it take the rear acting Load while on ground.
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RE: Boarding A320's

Sat Jun 03, 2006 6:49 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 18):
Does it take the rear acting Load while on ground.

Yep. Acts as a required tailstand, as I understood it.
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RE: Boarding A320's

Sat Jun 03, 2006 6:58 am




Quoting SlamClick (Reply 19):
Yep. Acts as a required tailstand, as I understood it.

Any idea what the boarding procedures are with an inop airstair?




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RE: Boarding A320's

Sat Jun 03, 2006 7:28 am

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 19):
Yep. Acts as a required tailstand, as I understood it.

And in case anyone is wondering about the MD-80, it's not required to be down during boarding. Cabin service uses it sometimes, plus some people are just in the habit of putting it down... but on the MD-80 it doesn't serve as a tailstand.
 
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RE: Boarding A320's

Sat Jun 03, 2006 4:17 pm

At BA, the difference in deadload between the forward and the aft hold should not exceed 2000kg (a320 only)

If memory serves well, SR had same rule for their MD80's

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