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Ramp Closure

Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 1:28 am
by FlyDeltaJets
What is your stations local policy of closing the ramp? Ours a JFK is definitely inadequate because two guys got struck by lightning on Thursday before they decided to shut it down.

RE: Ramp Closure

Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 2:23 am
by charlienorth
At ORD the policy is ground strikes within airport boundaries and that is stretched,it is up to the duty managers at the airlines,they don't want to shut things down,they are supposed to turn on lights on top of the terminals,C concourse and H/K concourse,a lot of times people will say "screw it,this job isn't worth getting killed over"and head inside before the lights come on,every union I have been in has advised us when you see ground strikes within the field don't wait for the lights,use your best judgement and go inside.

RE: Ramp Closure

Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 2:44 am
by aogdesk
Ours calls for closure if lightining is within 5 miles of the airport. Actually getting mgmt to follow thru on that is nearly impossible, but I tell all the rampers myself to get inside. I refuse to see someone get hurt or killed before they get serious about the issue.

Are those two guys alright?

RE: Ramp Closure

Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 4:42 am
by amtrosie
Good question!
I personally have had a few close calls, and have instructed anyone servicing my plane to get out if it is between 3 and 5 miles away. That being said, it ultimately comes down to the individuals on the ramp.

RE: Ramp Closure

Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 5:49 am
by FlyDeltaJets
Quoting Aogdesk (Reply 2):
Are those two guys alright?

They came back to work today.

RE: Ramp Closure

Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 11:47 am
by charlienorth
AOGdesk..that's what happens at ORD,when I was in the SOC at an airline the duty manager was reluctant to pull the plug before the other big airline did,folks would be calling in on their radios telling about lightning strikes even starting brush fires,like I said before use your best judgement and CYA.

RE: Ramp Closure

Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 2:31 pm
by bri2k1
At DEN, at least, on the (rather expansive) UA ramp area, no chances are taken. I can only speak as a passenger, but it seems (from many experiences) that any strikes in the near vicinity are cause to shut down the entire ramp. I've been inconvenienced by it many times, but as all professional aviators realize, safety is the #1 most important thing in aviation, and I've always 'suffered' in silence. Much better I'm a few minutes later to my destination than anyone suffers injury or, God forbid, death.

RE: Ramp Closure

Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:02 pm
by r311music
At WN, if lightning strike is within three miles of the airport, they close the ramp.

RE: Ramp Closure

Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 4:56 pm
by jspitfire
At YVR, lightning within 5 miles = fueling stops, and within 3 miles = ramp closes.

Jason

RE: Ramp Closure

Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 7:01 pm
by HAWK21M
How is Info Conveyed.Is it a Circular or by Telephone.
regds
MEL

RE: Ramp Closure

Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:07 pm
by LVTMB
I believe MIA closes its ramp when there is lightning. Last week that cause my flight to leave 3 hours late.

MB

RE: Ramp Closure

Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 11:46 am
by RNOcommctr
At RNO, we never completely close the ramp, but we do suspend all fueling operations if we have lightning within 5 miles of the airport. I work in Communications and we call all the FBO's and fuelers, plus we do a ringdown on a phone that goes into all the airline operations areas. We also do text messages to groups of airport management in case they get calls about why flights were delayed.

Operations has a gadget to determine lightning distance, but normally the determination is made by known landmarks around the airport. The tower also assists Operations in reporting nearby lightning strikes and making estimates of distance.

RE: Ramp Closure

Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 4:36 am
by cancidas
we have a lightning detector in the tower, thing that at 5 miles it turns yellow and at 3 miles its red. when its red, then its up to the judegement of the tower lead and manager on duty. if its storming outside and lightning strikes are obvious then theyll close it down. if it's a blue sky day and the box goes red, they dont.

RE: Ramp Closure

Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 6:08 am
by GQfluffy
BIL, AFAIK, doesn't have a policy. When we think it's close enough...we get our arses back inside. We got chewed out by Dispatch the other night because we wouldn't load a flight untill the storm had passed and it made the flight 15 minutes late....  talktothehand 

RE: Ramp Closure

Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 5:46 pm
by HAWK21M
Last night there was Lightening in the Skies.With light rain at BOM.

Is there any Precautions of using Cellphones during a Thunderstorm.

regds
MEL