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Airlines That Used 757/767 Common Type Rating

Mon May 19, 2008 11:59 pm

Hi,

How many airlines took advantage of the Boeing 757/767 common type rating?

In those, could a captain come off, say, a 757 flight and turn around and fly a 767? I am aware that there are actually differences between the types, covered by a "differences" training session...

I would imagine in the US at least that the unions would have raised cain on that, as seniority determines pay and level of responsibility (767=bigger plane, ,more seats, more responsibility, therefore more senior crew). Anyone have any additional insight on this?
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RE: Airlines That Used 757/767 Common Type Rating

Tue May 20, 2008 12:00 am

AA, US, CO, UA, DL and others. I am sure there are more so feel free to list.

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RE: Airlines That Used 757/767 Common Type Rating

Tue May 20, 2008 12:03 am

I'm not sure there are any airlines that have not taken advantage of the common cockpit. Its really a non brainer.
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RE: Airlines That Used 757/767 Common Type Rating

Tue May 20, 2008 12:06 am



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 2):
I'm not sure there are any airlines that have not taken advantage of the common cockpit. Its really a non brainer.

Well, off the top of my head, I can think of NW, who didn't order any 767's...  Smile
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RE: Airlines That Used 757/767 Common Type Rating

Tue May 20, 2008 12:07 am

I would guess BA also?
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RE: Airlines That Used 757/767 Common Type Rating

Tue May 20, 2008 12:15 am



Quoting KELPkid (Reply 3):
Well, off the top of my head, I can think of NW, who didn't order any 767's...

That's changing the question, 'kid. There are airlines that ordered the 757 but not the 767 (NW, Condor, EA, TZ, etc.), or 767 but not the 757 (HA, JL, NH, QF, NZ, AF, etc.).

But you asked if any airlines didn't take advantage of the common rating, and bring up unions and such, which clearly implies that you are already talking about airlines who own both.
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RE: Airlines That Used 757/767 Common Type Rating

Tue May 20, 2008 12:21 am



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 5):
There are airlines that ordered the 757 but not the 767 (NW, Condor, EA, TZ, etc.)


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As far as unions interfering with yet another made-up issue, I doubt there's much of a big deal on, say, a JFK-LAX flight for instance.
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RE: Airlines That Used 757/767 Common Type Rating

Tue May 20, 2008 12:33 am

I don't know of any operator in the US that has both in their fleet that does not use the common type rating. There may be operators in other countries who have elected to fly the aircraft in separate categories, although none I can think of. I have frequently flown the 757, 767-200, 767-300, and ER in the same trip. I have had trips where each leg changed types. There are major systems differences, but they are covered in training. The aircraft don't fly the same, but the automation and displays are similar enough for it to be a minor issue.

This has not been a big issue with unions. Some companies pay the same for both types, some pay the rate for whatever equipment you are flying that leg.
 
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RE: Airlines That Used 757/767 Common Type Rating

Tue May 20, 2008 12:52 am



Quoting PGNCS (Reply 7):
I don't know of any operator in the US that has both in their fleet that does not use the common type rating.

AA, US, UA, DL.

I have friends and know pilots that fly for them. US east pilots flies the 757's and 767's according to a 757 pilot. AA pilots based in MIA and other hubs fly the 757 and 767 ( my moms friends husband Bill F is a Captain on those based in MIA). The last time I checked with my friend at UA, he flew both the 757 and 767. DL does the same if I am not mistaken.

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RE: Airlines That Used 757/767 Common Type Rating

Tue May 20, 2008 1:00 am



Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 6):

My bad.

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 8):
AA, US, UA, DL.

Then all four DO use the common rating, so why go through the trouble of agreeing?  Wink
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RE: Airlines That Used 757/767 Common Type Rating

Tue May 20, 2008 1:05 am

AA for sure. I was booked on a 767-200 from DFW-BOS back in 2000 and the aircraft went tech (after 2 botched attempts at taking off) and we were finally (6 hours later) booked on a 757-200 to BOS, with the same crew. (I might be wrong on the times, but the crew was still timed in).

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RE: Airlines That Used 757/767 Common Type Rating

Tue May 20, 2008 1:05 am



Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 8):
Quoting PGNCS (Reply 7):
I don't know of any operator in the US that has both in their fleet that does not use the common type rating.

AA, US, UA, DL.

Read what I wrote, please.
 
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RE: Airlines That Used 757/767 Common Type Rating

Tue May 20, 2008 2:53 pm

DL has the same type rating, but if I understand, 757 and 767 are split by seniority. So 757 pilots fly on 757 flight and 767 pilots fly only 767 flight for DL. That was what I heard.
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RE: Airlines That Used 757/767 Common Type Rating

Tue May 20, 2008 4:31 pm



Quoting AAH732UAL (Reply 12):
DL has the same type rating, but if I understand, 757 and 767 are split by seniority. So 757 pilots fly on 757 flight and 767 pilots fly only 767 flight for DL. That was what I heard.

Not 3 years ago the last I heard. Good friend of mine, Mike Birminham who retired around that time; I think he told me you could fly the 757, 762 and 763 but not the ER. The ER was split from everything else for seniority reasons like you explained.

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RE: Airlines That Used 757/767 Common Type Rating

Tue May 20, 2008 5:27 pm

Quoting AAH732UAL (Reply 12):
DL has the same type rating, but if I understand, 757 and 767 are split by seniority. So 757 pilots fly on 757 flight and 767 pilots fly only 767 flight for DL. That was what I heard.

That is incorrect.

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RE: Airlines That Used 757/767 Common Type Rating

Tue May 20, 2008 7:05 pm



Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 6):
As far as unions interfering with yet another made-up issue, I doubt there's much of a big deal on, say, a JFK-LAX flight for instance.

I don't know what the union "made-up issue" is that you are referring to in your post. IIRC, at CO, pilots are trained to fly all four types on the CO certificate (B752, B753, B762, B764). The 767s do pay a higher pay rate at CO, so they tend to be flown by the more senior pilots and due to CO's currency requirements (imposed by the FAA), it is possible for a pilot to lose qualification on one of the aircraft; I believe this applies (only) to the currency requirements on the 764 (the cockpit panel of the 764 is more similar to the 777 than the other 757s or 767s).

The senior pilots tend to fly the 764 trips, the junior pilots primarily see the 752 or 753.

I have also seen equipment swaps where a 762 was subbed for a 752 with the same crew operating the flight.
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