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A2A Refuelling Civil Aircraft

Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 5:16 pm
by misterdsdan
Quick question that, I admit, sounds a little silly but it is a genuine, serious question:

Has there ever been a civil scheduled (or charter) flight which has utilised air to air refuelling?

There is something in the back of my mind telling my I heard something about this being tried out at some point in the distant past. I had a quick trawl through the internet but was unable to find anything supporting or disputing my thought.

Thanks in advance for your help,

Dan

RE: A2A Refuelling Civil Aircraft

Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 5:45 pm
by KELPkid
Not to my knowledge...

Air-to-air refuelling is a very risky operation. In a civil role, I'm sure the costs (especially the additional liability of the operation itself  Wink ) would outweigh any potential benefits. Military pilots are specially trained to do it, and get regular practice on it.

RE: A2A Refuelling Civil Aircraft

Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 6:15 pm
by avioniker
I can think of and can find evidence of no present or past civil airliners outfitted to receive fuel in flight.
I'm old enough to have a fairly long memory.

Anybody else?

 Smile

RE: A2A Refuelling Civil Aircraft

Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 11:42 pm
by Starlionblue
Agreed with Avioniker. This has never been done in the form we think of it now.

However there was a service that used the piggyback concept, in which a larger aircraft carried a smaller one on its back. The smaller one would separate mid-flight and fly the rest of the way, while the larger one would turn back. I can't remember the name of the aircraft though.

Air to air refueling was discussed at length in another thread, with the conclusion that it is currently far too expensive and dangerous for civilian use.

RE: A2A Refuelling Civil Aircraft

Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 12:15 am
by HapppyLandings
And... With aircraft like the 772LR you get all the range you need  Smile

RE: A2A Refuelling Civil Aircraft

Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 1:01 am
by Viscount724


Quoting Avioniker (Reply 2):
can think of and can find evidence of no present or past civil airliners outfitted to receive fuel in flight. I'm old enough to have a fairly long memory.

Anybody else?

In-flight refuelling experiments involving flying boats of BA predecessor Imperial Airways were conducted in the 1930s. Several sources mention that Transatlantic passenger flights were operated for about one month using inflight refuelling but the start of World War II ended this service.
http://www.rafmuseumphotos.com/pictu...flight-refuelling-trials-1939.html

That operation is mentioned in the following links.
http://www.plimsoll.org/Southampton/...alAirways/Inflightrefuelling.asp#1
http://www.imperial-airways.com/Short_s-23_empire.html

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 3):
However there was a service that used the piggyback concept, in which a larger aircraft carried a smaller one on its back. The smaller one would separate mid-flight and fly the rest of the way, while the larger one would turn back. I can't remember the name of the aircraft though.

You're thinking of the following. A few experimental flights were made to Montreal carrying mail only.
http://www.aviastar.org/air/england/short_mayo.php
http://www.plimsoll.org/Southampton/...irways/MaiaMercuryexperiment.asp#1

RE: A2A Refuelling Civil Aircraft

Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 3:50 am
by Starlionblue
Thanks Viscount724. That's the one!