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Fairchild FH-227/F-27 Radios

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 6:37 pm
by access-air
Okay guys,

I have a question to former Fairchild FH-227 pilots......What were the brand names of the communications radios most commonly used on this plane???
I am looking to find one for a friend of mine that is looking to purchase one.
Any help would be appreciated. You can either answer here or you can e-mail me...My e-mail address is in my profile here....
Many thanks!!!

Access-Air

RE: Fairchild FH-227/F-27 Radios

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 3:29 am
by 411A
Well, having 'round about 4000 hours in the 'ole FH227, I recall that they all had the same comm radio fit...the Collins 618M2 ...or...M3.
Good radios those, very reliable.

RE: Fairchild FH-227/F-27 Radios

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 8:31 pm
by aviopic


Quoting 411A (Reply 1):
Collins 618M2 ...or...M3.

618 sounds like HF com ?
I know the 618T(used in B74 classic etc) is a HF but way to big for F.27

Quoting Access-Air (Thread starter):
What were the brand names of the communications radios most commonly used on this plane???

HF
King Receiver/exciter Type: KTR-953, P/N 064-1015-000
and
King PWR AMP/Antenna coupler Type: KAC952, P/N 064-1017-000

VHF
Collins Type: VHF20, P/N: 622-1879-0xx

The above is probably most common in F.27 but other brands(bendix) were certified as well depending customer requirements.

RE: Fairchild FH-227/F-27 Radios

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:07 pm
by aviopic


Quoting Aviopic (Reply 2):
618 sounds like HF com ?
I know the 618T(used in B74 classic etc) is a HF but way to big for F.27

Correction.
618M2/M3 are indeed VHF com, 618T was also used as HF com on the Maritime versions together with 618M3 as VHF.

It all depends on the version and year of production I guess.
Here's 1965 brochure, see page 12 for equipment at the time.
http://www.honders.net/tmp/f1965_f27small.pdf

RE: Fairchild FH-227/F-27 Radios

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:57 pm
by access-air
Thanks guys......

Ill look into that information......

Cheers, Access-Air

RE: Fairchild FH-227/F-27 Radios

Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 2:31 am
by 411A


Quoting Aviopic (Reply 2):
I know the 618T(used in B74 classic etc) is a HF but way to big for F.27

Actually....NOT too big for an FH227, we had one and it worked just fine.
This was an exec airplane for worldwide travel.
Very deluxe inside, including bar, etc.

RE: Fairchild FH-227/F-27 Radios

Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 9:02 am
by aviopic


Quoting 411A (Reply 5):
Actually....NOT too big for an FH227, we had one and it worked just fine.

Made a correction in reply 3

Quoting Aviopic (Reply 3):
618T was also used as HF com on the Maritime versions together with 618M3 as VHF.


RE: Fairchild FH-227/F-27 Radios

Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 1:22 pm
by access-air
Mr. 411A,

What company did you fly FH-227s for? I am quite curious...Might you have any pictures from your FH-227 flying days?

I would love to use them on my FH-227 website.....

Access-Air

RE: Fairchild FH-227/F-27 Radios

Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 7:02 pm
by access-air
Actually guys, I need to know what would have been standard equipment in 1972.....on the FH-227....

Access-Air

RE: Fairchild FH-227/F-27 Radios

Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 7:58 pm
by KELPkid


Quoting Aviopic (Reply 2):
HF
King Receiver/exciter Type: KTR-953, P/N 064-1015-000
and
King PWR AMP/Antenna coupler Type: KAC952, P/N 064-1017-000

VHF
Collins Type: VHF20, P/N: 622-1879-0xx

The above is probably most common in F.27 but other brands(bendix) were certified as well depending customer requirements.

Wow, was that before Bendix owned King?  Smile

RE: Fairchild FH-227/F-27 Radios

Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 11:44 pm
by aviopic


Quoting KELPkid (Reply 9):
Wow, was that before Bendix owned King?

Yup and still fitted in the oldest airworthy(although not so much at the moment) and very first production F.27

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Quoting Access-Air (Reply 8):
Actually guys, I need to know what would have been standard equipment in 1972.....on the FH-227....

Although the F.27 and FH-227 look like the same they are quite different.
Will see what I can do for you next week when I am back at work(Fokker).
Not sure whether we have much info on the Fairchild versions though.

Are you in the US bothered with FM immunity and 8.33khz channel spacing as mandatory modifications ?

RE: Fairchild FH-227/F-27 Radios

Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 4:06 pm
by access-air
Yeah,

Im aware that the FH-227 is quite different from the Fokker.....I have my website dedicated to the FH-227. Heres the link: http://fh227.rwy34.com

Access-Air

RE: Fairchild FH-227/F-27 Radios

Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 5:48 pm
by jetstar
In my mechanic days in the late 60’s and early 70’s, I worked on a few FH-227’s based at HPN so I got some experience on them, also the FBO where I worked also did line service maintenance for Mohawk Airlines so I was mainly the one who got called out to the ramp when they had a problem, Mohawk even had my home phone number, made some good money on weekends off of them

One interesting fact, the FH-227 did not have a fluid hydraulic system, it was pneumatic, so there was never a problem with small hydraulic leaks and the possibility of loosing all the hydraulic fluid because of a leak. To operate the hydraulics on the ground, you had to hook up a high pressure compressor to the airplane, if I remember correctly the system was 3000 psi.

At one time at HPN, Union Carbide had 2, John Mansville, WR Grace and the Rockerfeller family each had one. Once the Gulfstream 2’s came into service, that was pretty much the end of the FH-227’s at HPN, the Rockerfeller family sold their FH-227 to Time Life and they kept it for a few more years because of its passenger capacity.

The FH-227 also shared the same power plant package, including nacelles and propellers with the Grumman Gulfstream 1, there were some differences like the tail pipes and accessories, but if I think the engines and props were interchangeable.

I knew of one based at Islip (ISP) on Long Island many year ago, it was family owned and I heard the only time it was used was to fly the family to Florida in the winter and bring them back in the spring, the rest of the time it stayed in the hangar.

I wonder if there are any left in corporate service

JetStar