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Fly2HMO
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Question RE: US Aicraft Registration

Fri Feb 12, 2010 8:28 pm

So I'm looking into possibly registering an aircraft in the US, but this aircraft will be based outside of the USA.

It would be a part 91 operation.

If I'm interpreting this FAR correctly:

Quote:

§ 47.3 Registration required.

(a) An aircraft may be registered under 49 U.S.C. 44103 only when the aircraft is—

(1) Not registered under the laws of a foreign country and is owned by—

(i) A citizen of the United States;

(ii) An individual citizen of a foreign country lawfully admitted for permanent residence in the United States; or

(iii) A corporation not a citizen of the United States when the corporation is organized and doing business under the laws of the United States or a State, and the aircraft is based and primarily used in the United States;


As long as it is registered under the name of an individual that's a US citizen, then the FAA doesn't really have a say, or care, as to where the plane is based, correct?
 
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RE: Question RE: US Aicraft Registration

Fri Feb 12, 2010 9:00 pm

Quoting FLY2HMO (Thread starter):
As long as it is registered under the name of an individual that's a US citizen, then the FAA doesn't really have a say, or care, as to where the plane is based, correct?

You also have to follow the rules (and laws) of the country where the aircraft is located.
 
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RE: Question RE: US Aicraft Registration

Fri Feb 12, 2010 9:29 pm

Quoting FLY2HMO (Thread starter):
then the FAA doesn't really have a say, or care, as to where the plane is based, correct?

Correct. AeroMexico had (and may still have) some planes with N registrations that are owned by US leasing agencies. Either Piedmont or Allegheny ( I can't remember which right now) had some Dash 8s that were Irish registered, as they were owned by a company there.
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Fly2HMO
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RE: Question RE: US Aicraft Registration

Fri Feb 12, 2010 10:15 pm

Quoting 474218 (Reply 1):
You also have to follow the rules (and laws) of the country where the aircraft is located.

Well of course. The reason I'm looking into this is because the country the plane in question will be based at has ridiculous taxes and fees associated with owning a plane. Almost all of them can be eliminated if it's a foreign plane, although user fees are nearly double if its a foreign plane, but still reasonable.

Quoting Lowrider (Reply 2):

Correct. AeroMexico had (and may still have) some planes with N registrations that are owned by US leasing agencies. Either Piedmont or Allegheny ( I can't remember which right now) had some Dash 8s that were Irish registered, as they were owned by a company there.

Almost 1/4 of the fleet is of US registry.

[Edited 2010-02-12 14:16:00]
 
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RE: Question RE: US Aicraft Registration

Fri Feb 12, 2010 10:23 pm

I suspect AOPA has some good resources that can help you with this stuff.
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RE: Question RE: US Aicraft Registration

Fri Feb 12, 2010 10:50 pm

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 4):
I suspect AOPA has some good resources that can help you with this stuff.

Too bad my free membership expired.  

I did find this though:

http://books.google.com.mx/books?id=...ister%20aircraft%20arizona&f=false
 
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RE: Question RE: US Aicraft Registration

Fri Feb 12, 2010 10:56 pm

Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 5):
Too bad my free membership expired.

Good god man, renew your membership! If not for the great magazine subscription and informational resources, do it to support general aviation!   
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RE: Question RE: US Aicraft Registration

Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:17 pm

Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 3):
Well of course. The reason I'm looking into this is because the country the plane in question will be based at has ridiculous taxes and fees associated with owning a plane. Almost all of them can be eliminated if it's a foreign plane, although user fees are nearly double if its a foreign plane, but still reasonable.

Ah. Thought it would have been issues with a person holding a US pilots license flying an aircraft registered to the country in question   Yeah, I have been watching your other posts on the subject...
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RE: Question RE: US Aicraft Registration

Sat Feb 13, 2010 12:16 am

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 6):

Good god man, renew your membership! If not for the great magazine subscription and informational resources, do it to support general aviation!

I intend to. Eventually.

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 7):

Ah. Thought it would have been issues with a person holding a US pilots license flying an aircraft registered to the country in question Yeah, I have been watching your other posts on the subject...

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I've pretty much thrown the towel already about getting a DGAC license, damned ridiculous rules they got here.

So I'm trying to sell the idea to my boss that it will actually be cheaper to have the plane registered in the US, which so far, it seems to be the case, by a long shot. Besides, that means I can actually fly the plane with my FAA license and not be harassed by the government or having to resort to flying under the table.
 
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RE: Question RE: US Aicraft Registration

Sat Feb 13, 2010 5:05 am

Here's an idea, too:

You could lease it. Then it would be guaranteed to have an N-number   (well, as long as you lease it from a US company...).
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