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Flight Engineers Still At Reputable Carriers?

Fri Jul 09, 2010 12:47 am

I know the Flight Engineer position is a walk down memory lane pretty much anymore, but what reputable companies still operate aircraft with the flight engineer (or second officer)? Off the top of my head the ones I can think of right now (in the US) are ATI (DC-8), Fedex (DC-10?, 727), World, Omni, and UPS (727?). Any others?
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RE: Flight Engineers Still At Reputable Carriers?

Fri Jul 09, 2010 1:59 am

Quoting c5load (Thread starter):
Fedex (DC-10

None of those left. MD 10's, have a M11 cockpit. Kallita Air operates them as well. UPS Has noe 72's left.
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RE: Flight Engineers Still At Reputable Carriers?

Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:31 am

Quoting c5load (Thread starter):
Fedex (DC-10?
Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 1):
None of those left. MD 10's, have a M11 cockpit. Kallita Air operates them as well. UPS Has noe 72's left.



I thought I read on here just last week or so FX still has two DC10's still flying. CH-Aviation shows:
DC-10-10(F) N68058 - Stored VCV
DC-10-30(F) N315FE - Active
DC-10-30(F) N320FE - Active

Can somebody confirm or deny this? Also if FX really has two flying DC10's do they maintain a small crew of Flight Engineer's/Second Officers or have another crew member fill in?

Quoting c5load (Thread starter):
reputable companies still operate aircraft with the flight engineer (or second officer)?



In Canada, Kelowna Flightcraft (KW/KFA) operates 727 and DC-10 freighters as well as Cargojet (W8/CJT) who operates 727 freighters.

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RE: Flight Engineers Still At Reputable Carriers?

Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:35 am

It's an absolute shame that the FE position is a dying profession. I love having a plumber back there! When I started on the 727 last year I was told it was the most automated airplane ever built. I couldn't figure it out and then they told me that it's because it's voice activated! If it's too cold, tell the FE to throw another log on the fire and he makes it warmer, it's great!

My favorite engineer(miss you Rusty!) turned me on to these videos an FE made, pretty good stuff..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Xwyj...laynext_from=TL&videos=n98gEWCagNs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4TRSYhrEJE&feature=related

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RE: Flight Engineers Still At Reputable Carriers?

Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:35 am

Atlas with their 742's, & 743

Murray(National) with their DC-8's.

Amerijet with their 727's

Evergreen with their 742's

Klitta Charters with their 722's

Southern Air with their 742's, and 743's.

Capital with their 722's.


Some of these arent big companies, but they still have FE's.
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RE: Flight Engineers Still At Reputable Carriers?

Fri Jul 09, 2010 3:29 am

Quoting j0rdan (Reply 2):
I thought I read on here just last week or so FX still has two DC10's still flying. CH-Aviation shows:
DC-10-10(F) N68058 - Stored VCV
DC-10-30(F) N315FE - Active
DC-10-30(F) N320FE - Active

NOPE..ALL the DC-10's currently flying at FX are converted MD-10's. The only FE position left at FX is the 727
 
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RE: Flight Engineers Still At Reputable Carriers?

Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:00 am

Quoting c5load (Thread starter):
what reputable companies still operate aircraft with the flight engineer

RR, PW, PWC, and GE all do. They're not airlines, but you did say "companies" and they all use some form of original 747 as their flying testbeds.

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RE: Flight Engineers Still At Reputable Carriers?

Fri Jul 09, 2010 6:31 pm

Quoting j0rdan (Reply 2):
In Canada, Kelowna Flightcraft (KW/KFA) operates 727 and DC-10 freighters as well as Cargojet (W8/CJT) who operates 727 freighters.

Morningstar Air Express and First Air also still operate 727s in Canada. There are currently 32 727-200s with active Canadian registrations -- Kelowna Flightcraft (14), Cargojet (12), Morningstar (4), First Air (2).

First Air also has 2 commercial C-130 Hercules (L-100). Assume they require a flight engineer.

[Edited 2010-07-09 11:32:05]
 
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RE: Flight Engineers Still At Reputable Carriers?

Sat Jul 10, 2010 12:50 am

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 6):
PW, PWC

Just out of curiousity, how are P&W and PWC separate entities? I know that the PT-6's and such have come forth from the Canadian division of the company, and apparently the GTF is a PWC project...
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RE: Flight Engineers Still At Reputable Carriers?

Sat Jul 10, 2010 2:18 am

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 8):
Just out of curiousity, how are P&W and PWC separate entities?

I think P&WC is a division of the US P&W, whis is itself a wholly-owned subsidiary of United Technologies Corporation.
 
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RE: Flight Engineers Still At Reputable Carriers?

Sat Jul 10, 2010 2:41 am

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 8):
Just out of curiousity, how are P&W and PWC separate entities?

I think one's a wholly owned subsidiary of the other...I listed them separately mostly because they have separate flying test-beds and run from different locations.

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RE: Flight Engineers Still At Reputable Carriers?

Sun Jul 11, 2010 4:26 pm

Quoting Tb727 (Reply 3):
It's an absolute shame that the FE position is a dying profession. I love having a plumber back there! When I started on the 727 last year I was told it was the most automated airplane ever built. I couldn't figure it out and then they told me that it's because it's voice activated! If it's too cold, tell the FE to throw another log on the fire and he makes it warmer, it's great!

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Those MK videos are great. Thanks for posting the links.
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RE: Flight Engineers Still At Reputable Carriers?

Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:59 pm

Quoting jetlagged (Reply 11):
Those MK videos are great. Thanks for posting the links.

I was hoping someone would like those. I sure did! Freight dogging is the best kept secret out there and you can tell from those videos!
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RE: Flight Engineers Still At Reputable Carriers?

Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:05 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7):
First Air (2).

Can't say for sure, but when I partook in a HS748 course recently the First Air guy mentioned that their 727s are no longer in service. The 767 freighter covers a lot of the freight work that the 727s were doing, and the 737 combis fill in the leftovers.


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RE: Flight Engineers Still At Reputable Carriers?

Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:09 pm

Quoting c5load (Thread starter):
but what reputable companies still operate aircraft with the flight engineer (or second officer)?

Uninformed folks who make these kind of statements are right and truly out to lunch.
Example...define ´reputable´.
Further, if you name companies that you consider ´not reputable´without providing specific detailed data, you had better have deep pockets for legal representation, if those companies that you claim are ´not reptable´so choose to seek legal satisfaction.
 
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RE: Flight Engineers Still At Reputable Carriers?

Wed Jul 14, 2010 4:10 pm

Quoting 411A (Reply 14):
Example...define ´reputable´.

Yeah, my company was listed somewhere above, it was kinda nice knowing that someone thought we were reputable! All kidding aside, there are some scumbag operators out there that happen to fly old, FE required airplanes but they are far and few between. Now if you are saying we aren't reputable because we operate small fleets made up of older equipment(which I don't think you did)then them are fightin' words!  Wow! lol
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RE: Flight Engineers Still At Reputable Carriers?

Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:25 pm

Asia Pacific Airlines flies cargo in 727F's around the Pacific from HNL
 
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RE: Flight Engineers Still At Reputable Carriers?

Sat Jul 17, 2010 4:59 pm

What kind of range does a 727F have from HNL? How much of the Pacific can it reach?
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RE: Flight Engineers Still At Reputable Carriers?

Sun Jul 18, 2010 1:57 am

Quoting Packcheer (Reply 17):


What kind of range does a 727F have from HNL? How much of the Pacific can it reach?

PHNL-NSTU, 2600NM with the aux tanks and a load of freight. I don't think it will go much further.
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