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KLM Pushback Truck Type (Photo)

Sat Jul 31, 2010 7:02 pm


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Does anyone know what type of vehicle this is? I'd like to add the information to the photo comment.

Thanks,

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RE: KLM Pushback Truck Type (Photo)

Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:09 pm

Looks like a GHH Fahrzeuge model AM500: http://www.ghh-fahrzeuge.de/content/view/16/30/lang,english/

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RE: KLM Pushback Truck Type (Photo)

Sun Aug 01, 2010 1:40 am

Quoting MattRB (Reply 1):
Looks like a GHH Fahrzeuge model AM500

Yes, it does. Thanks!

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RE: KLM Pushback Truck Type (Photo)

Sun Aug 01, 2010 2:08 am

Quoting ptrjong (Reply 2):
Yes, it does. Thanks!

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RE: KLM Pushback Truck Type (Photo)

Sun Aug 01, 2010 3:22 am

Are these replacing tugs and why?
 
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RE: KLM Pushback Truck Type (Photo)

Sun Aug 01, 2010 4:08 am

Quoting 777way (Reply 4):
Are these replacing tugs and why?

I know at a lot of hubs that require aircraft to be moved from mx hangars back to gates and vice versa, these vehicles are much more economical then a.) using mx techs to taxi the aircraft, or b.) using a more standard tug to tow the aircraft with the push bar and all the required ground personnel for wing walkers, etc.
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RE: KLM Pushback Truck Type (Photo)

Sun Aug 01, 2010 5:49 am

Air France named it "TGV" , referring to the high speed train.
It helps to cut time to bring planes from the hangars to the terminals and vs , since the distances at CDG are long.
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RE: KLM Pushback Truck Type (Photo)

Sun Aug 01, 2010 8:06 am

Quoting 777way (Reply 4):
Are these replacing tugs and why?

Many aircraft require a different tow bar.
So if you have a lot of different aircraft you end up with a lot of different tow bars as well and they all require maintenance.
Tugs like this don't require a tow bar and thus operations are simplified quite a bit.
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RE: KLM Pushback Truck Type (Photo)

Sun Aug 01, 2010 8:21 am

BTW, on the site of the link in reply 2 there´s a picture of a KLM tug pulling Air Force 1. Did this really ever happen?!!
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RE: KLM Pushback Truck Type (Photo)

Sun Aug 01, 2010 8:23 am

Quoting travelavnut (Reply 8):
BTW, on the site of the link in reply 2 there´s a picture of a KLM tug pulling Air Force 1. Did this really ever happen?!

It must have, unless they doctored the photo. I don't think that the USAF airlifts their own GSE around the world with Air Force One, although I'd bet it was an airman driving.
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RE: KLM Pushback Truck Type (Photo)

Sun Aug 01, 2010 8:41 am

Quoting travelavnut (Reply 8):
BTW, on the site of the link in reply 2 there´s a picture of a KLM tug pulling Air Force 1. Did this really ever happen?!!

No KL tug has the large KLM titles on it. It must be shopped.

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RE: KLM Pushback Truck Type (Photo)

Sun Aug 01, 2010 8:59 am

Quoting pspfan (Reply 10):
No KL tug has the large KLM titles on it. It must be shopped.

PSPfan

Actually i do know that a few years ago, Air Force 1 and other state aircraft were going to a German air force base for some meeting and the klm towing department was chartered to do all the tow and push work. So i am 99% sure that this was it.

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RE: KLM Pushback Truck Type (Photo)

Sun Aug 01, 2010 10:22 am

Some smaller tug, but neat:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo5I_wBP5_Y
 
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RE: KLM Pushback Truck Type (Photo)

Sun Aug 01, 2010 11:12 am

Quoting travelavnut (Reply 8):
BTW, on the site of the link in reply 2 there´s a picture of a KLM tug pulling Air Force 1. Did this really ever happen?!!

Interesting, AFAIK all towtrucks at AMS have a 2 letter code on the side. I can't remember seeing one with these KLM titles on it. Then again it might be some years back...
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RE: KLM Pushback Truck Type (Photo)

Sun Aug 01, 2010 11:18 am

Quoting pspfan (Reply 10):
No KL tug has the large KLM titles on it. It must be shopped.
Quoting airbuster (Reply 11):
Actually i do know that a few years ago, Air Force 1 and other state aircraft were going to a German air force base for some meeting and the klm towing department was chartered to do all the tow and push work.

When they were asked to do the towing I'll bet they jumped at the chance of some free advertising and quickly stencilled a large KLM on to the tug.

Wouldn't you?

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RE: KLM Pushback Truck Type (Photo)

Sun Aug 01, 2010 11:35 am

Well it could be a photo taken in May 2005 when G.W. Bush came to The Netherlands. He came to Margraten for the 60th anniversary of the liberation of Europe at the American cemetery of Margraten. I was there myself as a VIP driver with a attache from foreign affairs, to pick up and escort the motorcade from Maastricht Airport to Margraten. He stayed there 2 days so i the mean time they could taken that photo. But i am not really sure if it is a real one.
 
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RE: KLM Pushback Truck Type (Photo)

Sun Aug 01, 2010 4:00 pm

We've used them in ATL since about 1995-96...they've taken on a life of their own known as a "SuperTug".
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RE: KLM Pushback Truck Type (Photo)

Sun Aug 01, 2010 4:02 pm

This is an excellent view of the "cradle" in action...

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RE: KLM Pushback Truck Type (Photo)

Sun Aug 01, 2010 4:25 pm

Qantas has finally realised the reliability and ordered these brilliant tugs tow the White Whale A360... Oops I mean A380s at SYD and MEL...  

Nice looking tugs...

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RE: KLM Pushback Truck Type (Photo)

Sun Aug 01, 2010 5:07 pm

Quoting DLATLOpsSup (Reply 17):

I had no clue that the cradle actually lifted the nose of the A/C off of the ground. How does it do that?
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RE: KLM Pushback Truck Type (Photo)

Sun Aug 01, 2010 5:39 pm

Quote:
@WNwatcher: I had no clue that the cradle actually lifted the nose of the A/C off of the ground. How does it do that?

Here's a video
of a similar tug performing a pushback on a 737. It appears to be a smaller model, but the general prinicple is the same.
 
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RE: KLM Pushback Truck Type (Photo)

Sun Aug 01, 2010 5:48 pm

It is very interesting to have a tow barless system for larger aircraft. How long have they been in production? This concept has been around since 1967 when Lektro http://www.lektro.com/default.asp built a small electric version for GA aircraft. Our airline uses them exclusivley for our pushback equipment. They are now building them for aircraft up to 180,00 pound. Ya gotta love technology
 
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RE: KLM Pushback Truck Type (Photo)

Sun Aug 01, 2010 8:07 pm

Quoting dashman (Reply 21):

It's actually pretty smart to build an electric tug since weight doesn't matter and the torque is nice.
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RE: KLM Pushback Truck Type (Photo)

Sun Aug 01, 2010 10:00 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 22):
It's actually pretty smart to build an electric tug since weight doesn't matter and the torque is nice.

Try using one on an icy ramp!
Our TBLs struggle at times in the winter. They are not heavy enough, and the drive wheels just spin round on the ice. We have to walk beside them dropping sand in front of the wheels. The small TBL180 for A320, and the larger TBL190 for B767 are just as bad.
Last winter, the SAS A330 beside me got stuck halfway, and had to call out the B747 tractor from the hangar to take over. We managed to push past it with an A319, but still stopped at a weird angle, but being a small aircraft, the crew managed to taxy away.
But 360 days a year they are great, so we put up with it. But don't sell your last real tug!
 
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RE: KLM Pushback Truck Type (Photo)

Sun Aug 01, 2010 10:09 pm

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 23):
Try using one on an icy ramp!
Our TBLs struggle at times in the winter. They are not heavy enough, and the drive wheels just spin round on the ice. We have to walk beside them dropping sand in front of the wheels. The small TBL180 for A320, and the larger TBL190 for B767 are just as bad.
Last winter, the SAS A330 beside me got stuck halfway, and had to call out the B747 tractor from the hangar to take over. We managed to push past it with an A319, but still stopped at a weird angle, but being a small aircraft, the crew managed to taxy away.
But 360 days a year they are great, so we put up with it. But don't sell your last real tug!

My friend was in one taxing one of our 320's right after they sprayed in ansticipation for snow which btw never came. Anyway it was our first winter with tug and he made a heavy turn onto the ramp and the tug made a 180 and ended up underneath the freakin plane. He was going slow too. Needless to say that never happened again. Thank god everyone was okay cuz if it was a 190 forget about it.
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