goblin211
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How Do Airlines Repaint A/C?

Fri Jan 07, 2011 11:57 pm

I remember seeing videos on how they were painted but i don't remember the threads. this might seem like a stupid question but why don't a/c simply take a special spray paint device and spray the paint on? or is that how they do it in the first place? The other important question is do the airlines just decide randomly what a/c they pull into hangars at scheduled airports on random dates and paint them or what?

all replies are appreciated.
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usair330
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RE: How Do Airlines Repaint A/C?

Fri Jan 07, 2011 11:59 pm

I see so many more videos coming your way. LoL
 
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RE: How Do Airlines Repaint A/C?

Sat Jan 08, 2011 12:06 am

 
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kgaiflyer
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RE: How Do Airlines Repaint A/C?

Sat Jan 08, 2011 12:22 am

Quoting usair330 (Reply 1):
I see so many more videos coming your way. LoL

Yes. Here's one.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqZKpCJEqNE&feature=related
 
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RE: How Do Airlines Repaint A/C?

Sat Jan 08, 2011 12:31 am

Where did everybody go?
 
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RE: How Do Airlines Repaint A/C?

Sat Jan 08, 2011 12:35 am

Quoting usair330 (Reply 1):

I see so many more videos coming your way. LoL

can't neglect this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI20wEUlmNw
 
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RE: How Do Airlines Repaint A/C?

Sat Jan 08, 2011 1:19 am

Quoting Goblin211 (Thread starter):
The other important question is do the airlines just decide randomly what a/c they pull into hangars at scheduled airports on random dates and paint them or what?

An interesting question. I do not think any airline would randomly select which aircraft it painted or repainted next. But, at least in the case of BA I have noted the following.

In the case of the BA 744 fleet the selection looks random but I strongly suspect that the aircraft were selected on the basis of how worn the old paint job was and how long it has been since they were last painted. For example around two years ago BA consecutively rolled out six 744s from their LHR paint shop. For the first time these aircraft were painted with large 'oneworld' titles. The aircraft selected were aircraft with non-consecutive registrations. The oldest was G-BNLI that first flew around 18 years earlier in April 1990. The youngest was G-CIVP that took to the skies for the first time in February1998. However a paint job on a long haul aircraft seems to last about 7 or 8 years and 'LI is 8 years older than 'VP. (The other four in this batch were G-CIVC, 'VI, 'VK, and 'VL.)

The paint jobs on short haul aircraft (that operate more rotations per day) seem to have a shorter life - five or six years - presumably because they spend more hours at lower altitudes where the weather can be more severe. BA has also repainted almost their entire A319 fleet relatively recently. When they did so they certainly started with the oldest aircraft (G-EUPA) and then worked through the fleet almost in the exact original delivery and registration order only getting out of step so to speak with the youngest aircraft.

What is clear in the case of BA is that they repaint their aircraft in batches of the same type of aircraft. Presumably it is more efficient to have, say, six 319s entering the paint shop one after the other rather than to mix up all the types. This is likely to be the case as, for example, the same scaffolding and platform constructions can be used along with the same paint stencils.

Of course if an airline repaints its own aircraft one constraint is the availability and efficient use of the paint shop. BA is fairly fortunate. With a fleet of around 250 aircraft and a complete paint job taking about a week the BA paint shop could repaint the whole fleet once every five years. Add in aircraft leaving the fleet and various other paint jobs and they have a fleet approaching the ideal size to keep one paint shop almost continuously busy. I understand that IB (with a smaller fleet) use their paint shop to offer a repaint service to other airlines. And I seem to recall BA saying last year that the two paint shops would work together in the future to expand this repaint business.

Now for a health warning. All the above is deduction from hopefully intelligent observation and not from knowledge. So it could be entirely wrong.
 
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RE: How Do Airlines Repaint A/C?

Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:20 am

Quoting Goblin211 (Thread starter):
The other important question is do the airlines just decide randomly what a/c they pull into hangars at scheduled airports on random dates and paint them or what?

Usually they try to repaint when the aircraft is scheduled for heavy maintenance anyway. And after a D-check, it usually happens anyway, since the inspections usually require stripping a bunch of paint. You often see several years of old and new liveries existing together and airplanes are repainted on that schedule.

Of course an airline which cares about the appearance of its aircraft can, of course, take an aircraft needing painting for whatever reason (worn paint, new livery, whatever), and do it whenever they want. But that does mean taking the aircraft out of service for the duration. And, in addition to having to pay for the paint job, an aircraft spending a week in a paint hanger is not earning any revenue.

Sometimes that results in rather odd paint jobs, especially if an aircraft moves from one line to another – you sometimes see the old colors, with just the new operators logo painted in for a while.
 
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RE: How Do Airlines Repaint A/C?

Sat Jan 08, 2011 3:59 pm

Quoting elbandgeek (Reply 5):
can't neglect this one

Was that done in AMA...??
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
 
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RE: How Do Airlines Repaint A/C?

Sat Jan 08, 2011 5:48 pm

Quoting rwessel (Reply 7):
Sometimes that results in rather odd paint jobs, especially if an aircraft moves from one line to another – you sometimes see the old colors, with just the new operators logo painted in for a while.

Or even more interesting, aircraft painted in one livery with a few panels and pieces painted in another.
Sometimes even with pieces borrowed/purchased from another airline, still painted in that airline's livery.
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RE: How Do Airlines Repaint A/C?

Sun Jan 09, 2011 8:04 am

Quoting jwenting (Reply 9):
Or even more interesting, aircraft painted in one livery with a few panels and pieces painted in another.
Sometimes even with pieces borrowed/purchased from another airline, still painted in that airline's livery.

Radar domes seem especially prone to that sort of thing.
 
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RE: How Do Airlines Repaint A/C?

Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:54 am

Quoting VV701 (Reply 6):
With a fleet of around 250 aircraft and a complete paint job taking about a week the BA paint shop could repaint the whole fleet once every five years.

Some airlines with much larger fleets than BA contract out almost all their painting to specialist aircraft painting companies whose costs are probably much lower than BA inhouse costs.

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