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bjorn14
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Can A USA Airport Restrict Commercial Ops?

Mon Aug 08, 2011 7:00 pm

Can a USA airport restrict flight operations to just Parts 91 & 135?
 
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RE: Can A USA Airport Restrict Commercial Ops?

Mon Aug 08, 2011 7:18 pm

Without diving into it and checking, they can restrict aircraft to a certain amount of seats like 30. That may have a lot to do with fire and rescue capability.

It gets slightly complicated with security when flying people on a 121 airplane at an airport with no security of it's own, then it's up to the airline(flightcrew in my case) to screen everyone and everything that goes on board.
 
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RE: Can A USA Airport Restrict Commercial Ops?

Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:09 pm

KSNA, John Wayne, Orange County California most certainly has done so. They give out "slots" by your noise history. The more noise your departures make the fewer operations you can have there. At least that was so not very many years back.
 
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RE: Can A USA Airport Restrict Commercial Ops?

Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:40 pm

Sure think of the many small community airports that do-not allow scheduled services.

Some of the biggest GA airports in the nation for example - TEB and VNY.

The simplest manner is not having an air carrier terminal. Another one as mentioned is fire coverage. Then there are things like fee structures which could dissuade operations.
 
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RE: Can A USA Airport Restrict Commercial Ops?

Tue Aug 09, 2011 1:32 am

Haven't CCR and TVL since prohibited scheduled operations?
 
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RE: Can A USA Airport Restrict Commercial Ops?

Tue Aug 09, 2011 10:57 am

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 4):
Haven't CCR and TVL since prohibited scheduled operations?

AFAIK, no. They both used to have jet service but currently do not and haven't had any since the 90's. It would be tough at CCR with only a 5,001 ft runway.
 
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RE: Can A USA Airport Restrict Commercial Ops?

Tue Aug 09, 2011 12:41 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 5):
It would be tough at CCR with only a 5,001 ft runway.

It wasn't tough for a PSA BAE-146. I don't imagine AS/QX Q400 would have any problem with it either. Keep in mind that GOL 737-800s fly into runways shorter than 5000 feet in Brazil. STS isn't much longer either.

Someone else has posted awhile back that CCR and TVL no longer allowed commercial flights. It was in a thread speculating on possible new destinations for QX to serve.
 
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RE: Can A USA Airport Restrict Commercial Ops?

Tue Aug 09, 2011 1:31 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Thread starter):
Can a USA airport restrict flight operations to just Parts 91 & 135?

Sure can. All they need to do is not bother with getting a part 139 certification.
 
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RE: Can A USA Airport Restrict Commercial Ops?

Tue Aug 09, 2011 3:05 pm

Also I've noticed some local airports here in SoCal do not offer Jet-A sales which obviously discourages jet aircraft leaving mostly smaller prop GA or helicopter activity.
 
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RE: Can A USA Airport Restrict Commercial Ops?

Fri Aug 19, 2011 5:30 pm

The answer is they can't. All the examples cited are grandfathered under the Airport noise and control act ANCA of 1990
 
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RE: Can A USA Airport Restrict Commercial Ops?

Fri Aug 19, 2011 6:45 pm

wasn't there that debacle in Seattle about SW wanting to move to BFI?

How did that work out?
 
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RE: Can A USA Airport Restrict Commercial Ops?

Sat Aug 20, 2011 2:39 am

Quoting web500sjc (Reply 10):

wasn't there that debacle in Seattle about SW wanting to move to BFI?

"Debacle" is a bit big...SW wanted to switch from SEA to BFI, the neighbors of BFI and SW's competitors at SEA freaked out, the plan got shelved.

Quoting web500sjc (Reply 10):
How did that work out?

They executed some kind of complicated land-swap/rights-deal with the Port Of Seattle where one of the conditions was that SW stays at SEA.

Tom.
 
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RE: Can A USA Airport Restrict Commercial Ops?

Sat Aug 20, 2011 4:55 am

Quoting dnl65 (Reply 9):
The answer is they can't. All the examples cited are grandfathered under the Airport noise and control act ANCA of 1990

The airport could simply say, "No thanks, we don't want a 139 certificate." and that's that. No scheduled air carrier service without one.
 
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RE: Can A USA Airport Restrict Commercial Ops?

Wed Aug 24, 2011 7:21 am

Centennial Airport (KAPA) was involved in a legal battle over commercial service. All of the above limitations were mentioned (terminal, fire rescue, etc). The airport claims they were given a waiver in a bill passed in 2003 to opt out of scheduled service.
 
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RE: Can A USA Airport Restrict Commercial Ops?

Fri Aug 26, 2011 7:21 pm

Any place I can find what airports are Part 139 certified?
 
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RE: Can A USA Airport Restrict Commercial Ops?

Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:48 am

Look on the FAA site. The part 139 airports are listed.

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