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Quoting Airxliban (Thread starter): Question - the captain mentioned that we had landed about 5,000 lbs over weight. However, we still refueled. I assume this means that we dumped fuel, although I cannot be sure since I could not see in the dark of night. My question is how much fuel we'd have to dump and what altitude it is concerned safe to dump fuel at. We couldn't have been climbing for more than a few minutes when the decision was made to turn back. |
Quoting Airxliban (Thread starter): Question - the captain mentioned that we had landed about 5,000 lbs over weight. However, we still refueled. I assume this means that we dumped fuel, although I cannot be sure since I could not see in the dark of night. |
Quoting Airxliban (Thread starter): Finally, will AA be sending a bill to the passenger in question? I can only assume this emergency made the flight unprofitable. |
Quoting Airxliban (Thread starter): Finally, will AA be sending a bill to the passenger in question? I can only assume this emergency made the flight unprofitable. |
Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 4): I wonder if they have insurance to cover this? |
Quoting Mir (Reply 2): Airplanes are certified to land up to their MTOW |
Quoting gigneil (Reply 5): They ABSOLUTELY do. |
Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 6): While it's true that a plane can land at MTOW without shattering to the ground in a million pieces, it's absolutely a terrible idea to land over the Max Landing Weight. |
Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 8): those limits typically aren't provided to line crews. |
Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 6): the crew evidently decided that it was in the best interest of the passenger to land as soon as practica |
Quoting SlamClick (Reply 11): Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 8): those limits typically aren't provided to line crews. In what country? In the USA MGTOW, MGLW, MZFW and others were memory items until they stated placarding each airplane with its own weight limits. |
Quoting SlamClick (Reply 11): Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 6): the crew evidently decided that it was in the best interest of the passenger to land as soon as practica Not an AA employee but I'll bet that the decision was pre-made per their Ops Manual based on the advice of MedLink. |
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 13): the crew decided |
Quoting SlamClick (Reply 14): The operational factors would have to CLEARLY outweigh the medical ones, which the captain was not qualified to judge. |
Quoting Airxliban (Thread starter): Finally, will AA be sending a bill to the passenger in question? I can only assume this emergency made the flight unprofitable. |
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10): Quoting gigneil (Reply 5): They ABSOLUTELY do. Would they? Such diversions are relatively uncommon, so would it be cost-effective to pay an insurance premium for an event that occurs rarely and doesn't cost that much (in the grand scheme of the day-to-day operation of an airline the size of AA)? |
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 16): How would an insurance company even establish premiums for something that's so unpredictable? |
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 17): You are probably right about companies just taking it on the nose. However my thought was that insurance companies can actually do the math based on historical occurrences. |
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 18): An insurance company needs to make a profit. The point of insurance is to protect against LARGE expenses that would be at major variance with the day-to-day operating budget of a large airline like AA. Such sudden large expenses would include accident/hull loss or damage to multiple aircraft and/or facilities (tornado strikes an airport). On the other hand, a tank of fuel and an overweight landing inspection is not a sudden large expense with respect to the daily operating budget of a major international airline. The risk is low, so the cost of insurance would probably not be worth it. |
Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 6): While it's true that a plane can land at MTOW without shattering to the ground in a million pieces, it's absolutely a terrible idea to land over the Max Landing Weight. |
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 19): And as a physician in the US you live in insurance-land much of the time right? |
Quoting Mir (Reply 20): It's not a terrible idea. It's a tool that you have. |