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Alaska 737 Etops Routing

Fri Aug 09, 2013 2:54 am

I'm just curious, do the Alaska 737s configured for ETOPS only fly routes to and from Hawaii are do they also fly non-HI flights (ex SEA-LAX, LAX-SJD, etc) as well?
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RE: Alaska 737 Etops Routing

Fri Aug 09, 2013 3:25 am

The vast majority of Alaska's 737-800's and all of the -900ER's are ETOPS. Yes...they fly pretty much all of the routes around the AS network from SEA-BOS to SEA-OAK.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but all of the -800's that are ETOPS have the Hawaiian lei on the tail. Too bad the -900ER's don't have the leis, but they are not used on the Hawaii flights.
 
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RE: Alaska 737 Etops Routing

Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:13 am

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 1):

Yes, the lei is a decal put on by Alaska after ETOPS certification
 
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RE: Alaska 737 Etops Routing

Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:16 am

Quoting AS737MAX (Reply 2):
Yes, the lei is a decal put on by Alaska after ETOPS certification

Incorrect. There are non-lei ETOPS aircraft.
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RE: Alaska 737 Etops Routing

Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:38 am

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 3):
Incorrect. There are non-lei ETOPS aircraft.

Friend that is a 737 driver for Alaska said the logo planes are all ETOPS... so anything with a lei + special paint job, less the 737-400s, are ETOPS.
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RE: Alaska 737 Etops Routing

Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:40 am

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 3):
Incorrect. There are non-lei ETOPS aircraft.

The only ETOPS -800s that don't have the leis are the special paint schemes, right?

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 1):
Too bad the -900ER's don't have the leis, but they are not used on the Hawaii flights.

The -900ERs occasionally show up in Hawaii. They ran some of them out there in the spring, I believe.
 
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RE: Alaska 737 Etops Routing

Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:41 am

Didn't UA find that maintaining the entire fleet to ETOPS spec actually saved money overall by improving dispatch reliability or something?
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RE: Alaska 737 Etops Routing

Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:55 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 6):
Didn't UA find that maintaining the entire fleet to ETOPS spec actually saved money overall by improving dispatch reliability or something?

That would be hard to believe as they require quite a bit more attention from mx to retain their ETOPS spec, along with all of the extra equipment on board that in turn increases the weight of the plane and it's fuel burn. The ETOPS equipment combined weighs a few hundred pounds.
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RE: Alaska 737 Etops Routing

Fri Aug 09, 2013 5:40 am

Quoting usxguy (Reply 4):
Friend that is a 737 driver for Alaska said the logo planes are all ETOPS... so anything with a lei + special paint job, less the 737-400s, are ETOPS.

Not true....but very close

Only 737-900ERs are the only fleet that is 100% ETOPS
The 737-900 is not ETOPs and the Disney plane (which I call Disney III) is not an ETOPs bird

No 737-700s nor 737-400s are ETOPs (including all special paint jobs)

737-800s are mixed...Planes with the lei are ETOPs...There are 5 special paint jobs and as far as I know, Dot Com is not ETOPs (at least an a.net picture taken in May shows it is not an ETOPs plane)...However, Starliner, Fish II, Dreamliner and Spirit of the Islands are ETOPs.

ETOPs 737-800 and 737-900ERs fly non-ETOPs routes everyday (as do most airlines ETOPs birds)

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