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Longest Range Airliners And Routes

Sun Sep 29, 2013 1:46 pm

With the retirement of the SQ A345 and thus the SIN-EWR-SIN route - what is the longest scheduled routes and longest range aircraft flying currently? Also with the proposed new generation 777x and the 787 and A350 will these have substantial range improvements?

Does a lower airspeed translate into more range like driving at 80kmh in a car compared to 130kmh, or does altitude make a difference?

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[Edited 2013-09-29 09:08:23 by SA7700]
 
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RE: Longest Range Airliners And Routes

Sun Sep 29, 2013 2:02 pm

Quoting jetsetter1969 (Thread starter):
With the retirement of the sq a345 and thus the sin-jfk route what is the longest scheduled route

SQ uses the A340 on SIN-EWR (not JFK) and SIN-LAX. After those 2 routes end next month, I believe the longest nonstop will be DL's ATL-JNB route operated with the 77L. Not certain but next longest may be EK's DXB-LAX using the 77W although I believe they have plans to begin using the A380 on that route at some point.

SIN-EWR 8,285 nm
SIN-LAX 7,621 nm
ATL-JNB 7,333 nm
DXB-LAX 7,246 nm
 
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RE: Longest Range Airliners And Routes

Sun Sep 29, 2013 2:14 pm

thanks for the correction on jfk and the the route lengths.

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Sun Sep 29, 2013 2:41 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 1):

SQ uses the A340 on SIN-EWR (not JFK) and SIN-LAX. After those 2 routes end next month, I believe the longest nonstop will be DL's ATL-JNB route operated with the 77L. Not certain but next longest may be EK's DXB-LAX using the 77W although I believe they have plans to begin using the A380 on that route at some point.

SIN-EWR 8,285 nm
SIN-LAX 7,621 nm
ATL-JNB 7,333 nm
DXB-LAX 7,246 nm

Actually SYD-DFW is just slightly longer than ATL-JNB.

SYD (33°56'46"S 151°10'38"E) DFW (32°53'49"N 97°02'17"W) 70.6° (E) 8578 mi
ATL (33°38'12"N 84°25'40"W) JNB (26°08'01"S 28°14'32"E) 101.8° (E) 8439 mi
LAX (33°56'33"N 118°24'29"W) DXB (25°15'10"N 55°21'52"E) 6.5° (N) 8339 mi

Total: 25355 mi
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RE: Longest Range Airliners And Routes

Sun Sep 29, 2013 2:54 pm

I don't know how,it affects your perception of the route, but SYD-DFW is not flown non stop bothe ways like the other routes on the list...
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Sun Sep 29, 2013 3:11 pm

Quoting Web500sjc (Reply 4):
I don't know how,it affects your perception of the route, but SYD-DFW is not flown non stop bothe ways like the other routes on the list...

Right. It's ATL-JNB if you want to consider flights that operate nonstop in both directions.
 
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Sun Sep 29, 2013 3:17 pm

This link should answer all of your questions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-stop_flight
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Sun Sep 29, 2013 3:29 pm

An A345 or 777-200LR has the legs to go pretty much anywhere you want. What hasn't been demonstrated in the market is a willingness by passengers on many routes to pay for a lot of fuel being burned to carry a lot of fuel long distances, with >7500 statute miles a problem that grows exponentially with greater distance. Non-stop 8500 statute miles with a big fare premium (hypothetically, SFO-SIN) often loses out to a cheaper SFO-ICN-SIN, with segments 5658 + 2867 miles and perhaps three more hours total travel time. This problem really isn't resolved by 777X and A359 although they will bring marginal improvements.

This shows the virtue of the DXB hub - look at how it's positioned to capture traffic flows Europe - SE Asia. It also explains in part why a lot of USA-Africa traffic connects in Europe even though a 777-LR brings all of the African continent within nonstop reach of NYC, IAD, ATL or MIA.
 
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RE: Longest Range Airliners And Routes

Sun Sep 29, 2013 3:45 pm

Quoting Web500sjc (Reply 4):
I don't know how,it affects your perception of the route, but SYD-DFW is not flown non stop bothe ways like the other routes on the list...

I understand, but technically SYD-DFW is still a scheduled route that operates every day. Therefore, it is still considered the longst nonstop scheduled route.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):
Right. It's ATL-JNB if you want to consider flights that operate nonstop in both directions.

Indeed, if you want to consider it that way. I just wanted to add SYD-DFW to the list so the OP knew all of them.  
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Sun Sep 29, 2013 4:07 pm

It's very simple, actually. After SIN-EWR/LAX are discontinued this fall, SYD-DFW will be the longest, followed by ATL-JNB, DXB-LAX, and DFW-BNE as the new top four longest flights by length.

As stated above, one must bifurcate the SYD-DFW and DFW-BNE-SYD as two different flights.
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Sun Sep 29, 2013 4:53 pm

When I read about the upcoming 788 delivery flight from Charleston to Peking, I was amazed, I have to admit. Great circle distance turns out to be 7,288 mi (not nmi, IIRC). So, not even as long as the longest commercial routes -- but it's up there! (I'm still amazed...)
 
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RE: Longest Range Airliners And Routes

Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:42 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 1):
SIN-EWR 8,285 nm
SIN-LAX 7,621 nm
ATL-JNB 7,333 nm
DXB-LAX 7,246 nm

The airways distances can vary and can change from day to day by as much as 200nm. The ones shown below are the middle of a range of values for a 10 to 15 day period.

SIN-EWR 9000nm +-
ATL-JNB 7400nm +-
DXB-LAX 7500nm +-
SIN-LAX 7750nm +-
 
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Sun Sep 29, 2013 6:03 pm

Quoting Web500sjc (Reply 4):
SYD-DFW is not flown non stop bothe ways

Why the stop in BNE on the way back?
 
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Sun Sep 29, 2013 6:06 pm

Quoting twincessna340a (Reply 12):
Quoting Web500sjc (Reply 4):SYD-DFW is not flown non stop bothe ways
Why the stop in BNE on the way back?

The prevailing winds are from the west.
 
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Sun Sep 29, 2013 6:33 pm

Right, but DL's 77Ls can do JNB-ATL no sweat. Are the westerlies over the Pacific stronger than the Atlantic, or is that route that much of a push for the 744? I'm assuming that QF is also using their -400ERs?

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Sun Sep 29, 2013 6:34 pm

AC's 77L enabling Toronto-Hong Kong non-stop....

AC 777LR YYZ-HKG 7,801.13nm
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Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:53 pm

Quoting bmacleod (Reply 15):
AC's 77L enabling Toronto-Hong Kong non-stop....

AC 777LR HKG 7,801.13nm

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RE: Longest Range Airliners And Routes

Sun Sep 29, 2013 8:56 pm

Quoting jetsetter1969 (Thread starter):
longest range aircraft flying currently? Also with the proposed new generation 777x and the 787 and A350 will these have substantial range improvements?

Does a lower airspeed translate into more range like driving at 80kmh in a car compared to 130kmh, or does altitude make a difference?

A bit about the aircrafts. The A340-500 and the 777-200LR are both ultra long haul aircrafts from 2002 and 2006 respectively. They fly nominally 8800nm and 9000nm (so called spec range) on their standard tankage. Both can have this tankage extended, the A345 with 215,000l std can add another 8000l by extended the cargo bay tank further, see picture:

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm262/ferpe_bucket/A345tankarrangments_zps17ee9419.jpg

The 777-200LR gets to 9000nm on wingtanks (181000l) only, it can also add cargo bay tanks, up to 3 of them with 7000l in each:

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm262/ferpe_bucket/77LACTs_zps0070b71a.jpg

So they are both flying tankers, the 777-200LR less so as it consumes less fuel then the A340-500 (7.5t per hours instead of 8.5t for the A345). If one adds weight to the OEW to reflect a real flying airliner with a real cabin, crew, catering and the tare weights for the LD3s (it is around +8% normally for these types of airliners) the A345 looses a lot of range, it will only manage 7800nm still air range wit std seating. The 777-200LR is fuel limited at the 9000nm standard range, it therefore looses less in a real case, it can fly 8500nm even with an empty weight adder of 8% and not cargo bay tanks. If one adds 3 cargo bay tanks this extends to 9250nm which is pretty damn good.

The above shows why the 777-200LR is the presently preferred ULH airline and why the A340-500 is being transfered to VIP service or spare parts donor  Wow! . I will cover the new breed of ULH airliners in a later post.
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:10 am

Quoting ferpe (Reply 17):

Some airlines deploy 77L on much shorter routes then this bird is capable of flying. Over what distance becomes 77L a better fit then 77W. Initially EK were not so pleased with the economics of this plane on DXB-LAX route with 77W was being used in the past.

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Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:22 am

Quoting bmacleod (Reply 15):
AC's 77L enabling Toronto-Hong Kong non-stop....

AC 777LR YYZ-HKG 7,801.13nm

YYZ-HKG is "only" 6,800nm. Not bad of course but not nearly as far as quite a few other routes.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:57 am

As said, the rank will be:

1) SYD-DFW
2) ATL-JNB
3) DXB-LAX
4) DFW-BNE

Quoting twincessna340a (Reply 14):
but DL's 77Ls can do JNB-ATL no sweat. Are the westerlies over the Pacific stronger than the Atlantic, or is that route that much of a push for the 744? I'm assuming that QF is also using their -400ERs?

Yes definitely the ERs. The 77L could do DFW-SYD without sweating, but QF don't have them. I'm sure that somebody would know better, but I am 95% certain that the Pacific westerlies are stronger than over the Atlantic.
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:00 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):
It's ATL-JNB if you want to consider flights that operate nonstop in both directions

If you wanted to average out the distance of SYD-DFW-BNE (i.e. SYDDFW+BNEDFW /2) then it is still longer than ATL-JNB ... by 1nm!
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:24 am

Thanks for that link!   

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 6):
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:31 am

Could be an issue with ETOPS on DFW-SYD.


Isn't there a 'hole' in that area of the Pacific that even the 240 minute's authority is not enough ?
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:43 am

In very vague terms, how much fuel do these ULH flights land with, on say, SIN-LAX or SYD-DFW?
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RE: Longest Range Airliners And Routes

Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:46 am

Quoting ferpe (Reply 17):
So they are both flying tankers, the 777-200LR less so as it consumes less fuel then the A340-500 (7.5t per hours instead of 8.5t for the A345)

Flying tanker indeed! On the JNB-ATL flight, the 77L is so heavy after takeoff that it can't climb above FL 310 for the first portion of the flight. As fuel is burned off, it eventually climbs.

I wonder what the initial cruse altitude of the 345 is on the EWR run.

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Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:49 am

Quoting swallow (Reply 25):
I wonder what the initial cruse altitude of the 345 is on the EWR run.

It appears that it does the same thing. It climbs to FL310 and steps its way up to FL370/FL380.
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:54 am

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 26):
It appears that it does the same thing. It climbs to FL310 and steps its way up to FL370/FL380

IIRC when I flew on QF8 our initial cruise for the first couple of hours was 28,000. We eventually ended up at 38,000.
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:55 am

Quoting Max Q (Reply 23):
Isn't there a 'hole' in that area of the Pacific that even the 240 minute's authority is not enough ?

There is, but the GC track DFW-SYD stays within 240 min area. The 330 area is further south. You can stay ETOPS180 with a detour in the order of 100 nm.

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=syd-dfw&MS=wls&DU=nm&E=180&E=240&E=330

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Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:31 am

Out of curiosity, what does QF 8 do at DFW to prevent a tech stop?

Does it tow the 744ER to the runway?
How many seats are left empty and how many bags are left behind?
"Does it get priority takeoff privileges or something to prevent waiting around wasting fuel?

Does economy have AVOD and how many meal services?
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:56 am

thanks for the info guys and the diagrams ferpe are greatly appreciated.

the responses prompt a further question in relation to the stepping up of altitude as fuel is burned off.

When i flew EY from Abu Dhabi to Sydney regularly for work the A346 had a looooong takeoff run and took forever to climb i would assume to the heavy fuel load.

is the staged climbing due to wing loading due to weight but wouldnt the thinner air at higher altitude be less effective in supporting that weight even as fuel is burned off? also with the thinner air and less oxygen at altitude wouldnt the engine be less effective in the combustion process?

with most commercial jets it seems cruise between mach .80 and .85 is this based on the most fuel efficient speed or trades that off with getting the passengers or cargo there in a more timely manner?

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Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:01 am

Quoting gemuser (Reply 28):

There is, but the GC track DFW-SYD stays within 240 min area. The 330 area is further south. You can stay ETOPS180 with a detour in the order of 100 nm.

Thanks Gem, great map, that makes it clear.
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:02 am

Quoting texdravid (Reply 29):
Out of curiosity, what does QF 8 do at DFW to prevent a tech stop?

Don't know but anyway, it does have a tech stop in Brisbane.
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:23 am

Quoting Max Q (Reply 32):
Don't know but anyway, it does have a tech stop in Brisbane.

Picky, I know, but it's not a tech stop. It is a full traffic stop. If it would happen if QF had an aircraft that could do DFW-SYD is the subject of some debate.

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Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:22 am

BNE is a SCHEDULED stop

Quoting gemuser (Reply 33):

Thank you. It was bugging me that people keep calling this a tech-stop. Granted I'm sure QF would love a non-stop.
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:32 am

Quoting texdravid (Reply 29):
Does economy have AVOD and how many meal services?

Yes, the refurbished 744ER fleet (which are used exclusively on the route) are fitted with QF's latest AVOD system with 1400 options. Personally, I think it is the second best AVOD system I have used after ICE, better than KrisWorld and StudioCX.

In Y, there are two main meal services: a hot dinner and then hot breakfast, both with at least two main (/entree) options. Alcoholic and non-alcoholic beverages are complimentary (and the wine is of a high standard, although that has always been a strong point for QF). Little snack bags are handed also handed out, which contain a bottle of water and the sort of snack items which you would find in a paid-for snack box on a domestic US flight. These are distributed at the beginning of the flight so that you can snack at your leisure. There are also continuous drink and snack services throughout the flight. Finally, these aircraft are fitted with self-serve bars so that if you want additional snacks and drinks during the flight you can help yourself.

Quoting texdravid (Reply 29):
How many seats are left empty

I flew on Dec 22 (which arrives in Australia on Christmas Eve) so I would assume that the flight was "full", and the load was about 2/3 in Y. Y+ and J looked full from what I saw.

Quoting texdravid (Reply 29):
Does it tow the 744ER to the runway?

No, we taxied under our own power.
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:34 pm

First time replying:
Isn't United's flight 117 (EWR-HKG) have the longest duration of flight time? (UAL#117 15hrs 11 mins)?
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:19 pm

Quoting Odaddy (Reply 36):
Isn't United's flight 117 (EWR-HKG) have the longest duration of flight time? (UAL#117 15hrs 11 mins)?

Welcome to A.net. .... The best way is to check the airline timetables for a city pair. These take care of better than 90% of the flights. There is always a few flights that will take longer due to unusual winds.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:29 pm

Quoting Odaddy (Reply 36):

Still EWR-SIN is 18 hours and 50 minutes.
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:34 pm

Quoting Odaddy (Reply 36):
Isn't United's flight 117 (EWR-HKG) have the longest duration of flight time? (UAL#117 15hrs 11 mins)?


I hope not. I'm taking it in a couple weeks and my upgrade hasn't cleared yet. Yikes!
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:38 pm

Quoting Max Q (Reply 23):
Could be an issue with ETOPS on DFW-SYD.


Isn't there a 'hole' in that area of the Pacific that even the 240 minute's authority is not enough ?

Extended range Twin OPerationS has no bearing on DFW-SYD flow by a four-engine 747
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:48 pm

Will we ever see London to Sydney non-stop or is that just a step too far? Apparently it is 10576 miles - Im not entirely sure of the range of an A359 or 77X.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:52 pm

YYZ-HKG can be done with a standard 77W, can it not? I'm sure I've flown it on a 77W, not a 77L. And the plane was absolutely full, didn't seem like they were wight restricting it in any obvious way.

Do AC use the 77L on this route over winter, or for smaller loads?
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:58 pm

Quoting hibtastic (Reply 41):
Will we ever see London to Sydney non-stop or is that just a step too far? Apparently it is 10576 miles - Im not entirely sure of the range of an A359 or 77X.

Even if it becomes technically feasible I'm not sure if it would be economically feasible. A flight this long would need a lot of crew to cover extended breaks, a lot of food, a lot of water, a lot of fuel, etc. Add to that the question of whether the demand is actually there - most people don't mind a stop in SIN or DXB for a couple of hours - I suspect many passengers actually welcome the break. PER-LHR has circling around for over a decade now, but nothing ever comes of it.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:52 pm

Quoting hibtastic (Reply 41):
Im not entirely sure of the range of an A359 or 77X.

The -8XL will get the closest. . There is not much in it distance wise whether the route is flown east or west bound. But such flights will almost certainly be westbound most days to take advantage of the prevailing winds.

Quoting escapehere (Reply 42):
Do AC use the 77L on this route over winter, or for smaller loads?

AC switched their order for 777F's to 77L's because they could get the cargo load they were looking for on the L. With 270- passengers they can get a volume limited cargo load of ~16t from HKG-PVG to YYZ. on the 77L. With the 77W on these sectors with ~360- passengers the cargo load is ~6 to 7t.
 
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Tue Oct 01, 2013 2:11 am

Quoting escapehere (Reply 42):
YYZ-HKG can be done with a standard 77W, can it not? I'm sure I've flown it on a 77W, not a 77L. And the plane was absolutely full, didn't seem like they were wight restricting it in any obvious way.

CX use the 77W on both HKG-YYZ and HKG-JFK. Cargo is less important for CX on those flights since CX operates their own fleet of freighters to those destinations.

All AC cargo, which is an important AC market, is carried on passenger aircraft, although they once operated combis and freighters. AC was the launch customer for both the DC-8-50 combi and 747-200 combi.
 
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Tue Oct 01, 2013 2:28 am

Quoting jetsetter1969 (Thread starter):
Does a lower airspeed translate into more range like driving at 80kmh in a car compared to 130kmh, or does altitude make a difference?


Up to a point, yes. However if you fly below max range speed you will use more fuel to go the same distance. There are three basic speeds to consider:
- Max endurance speed. Means you can fly as long (time) as possible. Only important in commercial ops for holding.
- Max range speed. Self-explanatory.
- Long range cruise speed. Faster than max range. 1% of range traded for about 3-5% more speed. This is typically a good idea since even if you use more fuel you put fewer hours on the airframe and have less flight pay, which saves money.

All these speeds change with altitude, and there is an optimum altitude given a certain weight. Winds also change the optimum speed. You want to go a bit faster in a headwind and vice versa.

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 24):
In very vague terms, how much fuel do these ULH flights land with, on say, SIN-LAX or SYD-DFW?

From memory you'd have the following on board.
- Contingency fuel left over - typically 5% of trip fuel but on these long haul flights you'd use a different calculation, e.g. Decision Point Procedure, so it would be much less. And you might have used some or all of this.
- Alternate fuel - Enough fuel for flight from above destination to alternate. I'm guessing an alternate for LAX would be SFO or SAN.
- Final reserve - 30 minutes holding at 1500 feet AGL at the destination.
- Any trip fuel left over.
- Any extra fuel (Captain's discretion) left over.
- Unusable fuel.

I'll leave it to someone else to give you the numbers, but it would be in the tons since even one missed approach would burn a ton or two.

Quoting hibtastic (Reply 41):
Will we ever see London to Sydney non-stop or is that just a step too far? Apparently it is 10576 miles - Im not entirely sure of the range of an A359 or 77X.

It is entirely possible but they payload would be uneconomically low. Developing a plane that made it operationally viable is not viable for the manufacturer since you're talking a lot of investment for very few sales.
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RE: Longest Range Airliners And Routes

Tue Oct 01, 2013 5:32 am

Quoting texdravid (Reply 29):

Does it tow the 744ER to the runway?

No. There are probably other threads on that, but in short, airports really aren't on board with that one for a number of reasons.

Quoting texdravid (Reply 29):
Does it get priority takeoff privileges or something to prevent waiting around wasting fuel?

No. There is adequate fuel planning for this.

Quoting texdravid (Reply 29):
Does economy have AVOD

Yes, it's pretty good too.

Quoting texdravid (Reply 29):
How many seats are left empty and how many bags are left behind?

More likely bags than anything else. Those 74Es are not very densely filled in the 1st place.
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RE: Longest Range Airliners And Routes

Tue Oct 01, 2013 5:57 am

Quoting gemuser (Reply 33):

Picky, I know, but it's not a tech stop. It is a full traffic stop. If it would happen if QF had an aircraft that could do DFW-SYD is the subject of some debate.
Quoting as739x (Reply 34):
BNE is a SCHEDULED stop

Ok, it's a scheduled stop for fuel that allows passengers on and off !


Fact is QF would operate it non stop if they could.
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RE: Longest Range Airliners And Routes

Tue Oct 01, 2013 3:47 pm

Quoting lucky777 (Reply 19):
YYZ-HKG is "only" 6,800nm. Not bad of course but not nearly as far as quite a few other routes.


Guess Canada will have to wait until SQ starts YYZ-SIN to be included in short list of longest routes....
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