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Is It Too Late For A Beechcraft 2000 Successor

Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:56 pm

As any Beechcraft fan would know, Beechcraft built a successor to the King Air line, call the 2000 Starship. The 2000 Starship was a very good looking aircraft, but sadly production only lasted from 1989 to 1995, and Beechcraft never built a successor. I wonder, could Beechcraft build a belated successer to the 2000 Starship, or are they busy with their Military contracts?
 
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RE: Is It Too Late For A Beechcraft 2000 Successor

Mon Aug 18, 2014 6:32 pm

I think Beechcraft would rather just keep building and improving the King Air.
 
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RE: Is It Too Late For A Beechcraft 2000 Successor

Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:38 pm

The building that far as I know housed their composite stuff(south west corner of beech field, on the intersection of Webb and Kellog) was sold and torn down. Presumably when they were going bankrupt they sold all their autoclaves and tooling as well, so it would be very expensive to restart production.

Also I have no idea about the level of composite knowledge that is available over at Beech, although most of their people with a lot of composite experience probably left, so they would have to lure them back with large piles of money.
 
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RE: Is It Too Late For A Beechcraft 2000 Successor

Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:51 am

Due to a lot of government requirements (like the strake on the fuselage) and other items the starship became quite bloated, and expensive. Due to enhancements to the PT-6 and aerodynamic tweaks here and there the King Air 200 became an aircraft that easily outperformed the Starship for a number of reasons. Raytheon bought back the remaining starships and sent them to the graveyard.

The lessons learned on the starship led to the Premier, which blows the CJ family out of the water in the speed and range department.
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RE: Is It Too Late For A Beechcraft 2000 Successor

Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:45 am

Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
I wonder, could Beechcraft build a belated successer to the 2000 Starship

Before it was the King Air 200 and King Air 300...
The Starship successor is the KingAir 250 and 350.   
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RE: Is It Too Late For A Beechcraft 2000 Successor

Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:44 pm

Quoting pilotpip (Reply 3):
Raytheon bought back the remaining starships and sent them to the graveyard.

Most of them; there are a few remaining in service, operated by dedicated owners. There is one such at my home base (KADS - Addison, Texas), and I am compelled to stop whatever I am doing and watch when she arrives or departs - such a stunningly beautiful craft!
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RE: Is It Too Late For A Beechcraft 2000 Successor

Tue Aug 19, 2014 9:01 pm

What they should do is make a King Air 400. Stretched version of the 350, but not quite as big as the 1900. Bigger, more powerful and fuel efficient PT6's, All glass cockpit. etc.

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RE: Is It Too Late For A Beechcraft 2000 Successor

Wed Aug 20, 2014 4:45 am

Quoting FighterPilot (Reply 6):
What they should do is make a King Air 400. Stretched version of the 350, but not quite as big as the 1900. Bigger, more powerful and fuel efficient PT6's, All glass cockpit. etc.

Just make the B1900E... a B1900D with G1000 
But yeah, a KingAir 400 would be nice too...
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RE: Is It Too Late For A Beechcraft 2000 Successor

Wed Aug 20, 2014 7:26 pm

Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
I wonder, could Beechcraft build a belated successer to the 2000 Starship, or are they busy with their Military contracts?

Beech was purchased by Textron, and has merged with Cessna under Textron Aviation in March 2014. I highly doubt Textron is interested in anything related to Starships. Of the 14 Sr VPs at Textron Aviation, 11 are from Cessna and 3 are from Beech.

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RE: Is It Too Late For A Beechcraft 2000 Successor

Mon Sep 08, 2014 9:09 pm

Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
could Beechcraft build a belated successer to the 2000 Starship,

According to some, they already did, the Premier.

Quoting pilotpip (Reply 3):
The lessons learned on the starship led to the Premier, which blows the CJ family out of the water in the speed and range department.

Unfortunately, the Beech Premier jets aren't in production anymore, despite performing better than the CJs. Cessna top-heavy management at Textron may be the reason.

Quoting CitationJet (Reply 8):
Beech was purchased by Textron, and has merged with Cessna under Textron Aviation in March 2014. I highly doubt Textron is interested in anything related to Starships. Of the 14 Sr VPs at Textron Aviation, 11 are from Cessna and 3 are from Beech.
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RE: Is It Too Late For A Beechcraft 2000 Successor

Tue Sep 09, 2014 1:11 pm

There is a successor already, albeit not build by Beech. It's called the Piaggio P-180, and it's a stunning looking high-performance aircraft. Also the only aircraft in production with 3 lifting surfaces, which has major drag benefits.
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RE: Is It Too Late For A Beechcraft 2000 Successor

Wed Sep 10, 2014 4:18 am

Quoting B777LRF (Reply 10):
It's called the Piaggio P-180,

Both the Starship and P180 first flew in 1986.
 
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RE: Is It Too Late For A Beechcraft 2000 Successor

Thu Sep 11, 2014 3:33 am

Quoting sccutler (Reply 5):
there are a few remaining in service, operated by dedicated owners.

Saw one flying overhead last Sunday in Santa Monica...couldn't make out the registration. A welcome sight that distracted from the drudgery of waiting for donuts for hours.   
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RE: Is It Too Late For A Beechcraft 2000 Successor

Thu Sep 18, 2014 8:48 pm

http://investor.textron.com/newsroom...isition-of-Beechcraft/default.aspx

The Hawker Beechcraft demise has been a storied odyssey, from a threat the close the Wichita plant and relocate to Louisiana, to possible acquisition by a Chinese buyer, to finally accepting the inevitable, and becoming part of Textron.

The Textron acquisition of Beechcraft reunites Beech with the other historic Wichita stablemate, Cessna... effectively reforming the Travel Air Company. Walter and Clyde are back in cahoots?

This means that perhaps almost half the population of Wichita is now employed by one company, dangerous prospect if things turn sour again. If the current Cessna trend is anything to go by, all the current Beech manufacturing will likely be progressively outsourced to Mexico and China... especially because there is a historically poor union relationship at Beech. But with the King Air being so popular and with so many in service, Beech can still make some cash, even with the cessation (lol) of their jet product lines and loss of the lucrative air force trainer contract.

Not much chance of there ever being a new King Air... they'll only upgrade the existing airframe, new avionics and engines maybe, but to design another plane would be niaive. Desiging new kit is not the Textron way anyhow, they killed the Cessna NGP (which looked gorgeous) with the purchase of Columbia aircraft (now Corvalis), and now by acquiring Beech they have a twin turboprop in the stable too. It remains to be seen if the Cessna Longitude (nee Columbus) can be fielded, especially in light of the stumbling progress of Learjet 85 the other end of the airfield and sluggish past uptake of the Hawker 4000 across town.

In the race to build a King Air successor, Rutans Starship and the P180 Avanti(which was started in Wichita as a joint venture at Learjet, incidentally) slugged it out, and the Avanti won a pyrrhic victory, but the King Air still holds true.
Perhaps as the existing King air fleet ages and begins to be retired, the market will open up again.

Now, if only Bombardier would sell Learjet to Textron, they'll own all the best places on the Wichita monopoly board...

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