29erUSA187
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A300 Landing Angle

Fri Feb 20, 2015 5:59 am

The other day, I was watching an FX A306F land at SAN, and it came in with an abnormally high-up nose angle. I then looked at pics of other A300's landing and lots seem to have an abnormally high nose angle on approach. Is there any reason for this? Aerodynamics? Any insight is appreciated!

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RE: A300 Landing Angle

Fri Feb 20, 2015 5:37 pm

It doesn't seem an abnormally high pitch angle to me. Compared to what other types? Perhaps you could find some examples of what you mean in the photo library.
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RE: A300 Landing Angle

Fri Feb 20, 2015 7:54 pm

Quoting 29erUSA187 (Thread starter):
lots seem to have an abnormally high nose angle on approach

I've noticed the same thing myself.

It also seems like they typically pull the nose up higher than average for a widebody when they flare, and then they hold it there for a bit before touching the nose gear down on the runway. Here are a few examples of both that I found in a minute long search on Youtube:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zq5e3tbbxdc

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9DpW9s58_Fo

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DGJAVKn0_T4

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RE: A300 Landing Angle

Sat Feb 21, 2015 5:29 am

Nothing abnormal at all, just typical Airbus, they just have a slightly higher pitch attitude on approach compared to Boeing.
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RE: A300 Landing Angle

Sat Feb 21, 2015 2:58 pm

That slightly higher pitch attitude on approach is that due to the design of the wing?
I noticed that often on Airbus vs Boeing plane while landing.
 
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RE: A300 Landing Angle

Sat Feb 21, 2015 3:18 pm

Quoting Max Q (Reply 3):
Nothing abnormal at all, just typical Airbus, they just have a slightly higher pitch attitude on approach compared to Boeing.

Let's not get hung up on the word 'abnormal'. The OP did not intend to use the term in a negative sense. He's just asking why the A300 has this higher pitch attitude relative to other aircraft on touchdown.

I'm curious too. It seems it must be something to do with wing design.


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RE: A300 Landing Angle

Sun Feb 22, 2015 4:59 pm

Quoting Omp777x (Reply 2):
I've noticed the same thing myself.

It also seems like they typically pull the nose up higher than average for a widebody when they flare, and then they hold it there for a bit before touching the nose gear down on the runway. Here are a few examples of both that I found in a minute long search on Youtube:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zq5e3tbbxdc

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9DpW9s58_Fo

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DGJAVKn0_T4

The last video of a DHL A300 looks very like any other widebody landing to me. I've seen landing videos compilations (same day, same runway, same viewpoint) where the pitch attitude of A300s, and other aircraft, varies considerably.
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RE: A300 Landing Angle

Sun Feb 22, 2015 6:06 pm

Quoting Btriple7 (Reply 5):

I'm curious too. It seems it must be something to do with wing design.

The A380 OTOH seems to land with a rather low pitch angle.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6rVgNEf0L-c

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RE: A300 Landing Angle

Sun Feb 22, 2015 7:34 pm

Quoting Jetlagged (Reply 6):
The last video of a DHL A300 looks very like any other widebody landing to me.

Agreed. That was a poor example. I'm not sure why I included that one in the mix.

Quoting Jetlagged (Reply 6):
I've seen landing videos compilations (same day, same runway, same viewpoint) where the pitch attitude of A300s, and other aircraft, varies considerably.

That is also true. However certain aircraft have their average "look" coming down to the runway. The A300 was one that caught my eye for the same reasons as was posted above.

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RE: A300 Landing Angle

Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:32 pm

Quoting OMP777X (Reply 8):
Agreed. That was a poor example. I'm not sure why I included that one in the mix.

A poor example to support the OP's point perhaps, but is it a poor example of an A300 landing?

If you only include evidence that supports your theory you can prove anything is true.
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RE: A300 Landing Angle

Thu Feb 26, 2015 3:55 am

Quoting Jetlagged (Reply 9):
If you only include evidence that supports your theory you can prove anything is true.

Of course that is always possible through confirmation bias, and in general. However, here I merely included the first few videos I found on Youtube in less than two minutes of searching, and they all appeared to support the suggestion in the OP above. Upon reviewing that one, it seems like your average widebody approach, and isn't a good example of the high angle before touchdown I have noticed for an A300.

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RE: A300 Landing Angle

Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:50 am

Quoting Omp777x (Reply 2):
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DGJAVKn0_T4

Wow, that was a LONG roll-out!
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RE: A300 Landing Angle

Thu Feb 26, 2015 6:31 am

Quoting Btriple7 (Reply 5):
Let's not get hung up on the word 'abnormal'. The OP did not intend to use the term in a negative sense. He's just asking why the A300 has this higher pitch attitude relative to other aircraft on touchdown.

Ok,


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RE: A300 Landing Angle

Thu Feb 26, 2015 7:26 am

Quoting Max Q (Reply 3):
Nothing abnormal at all, just typical Airbus, they just have a slightly higher pitch attitude on approach compared to Boeing.

Eh, not that. The 300/310 do have a pretty high pitch attitude on approach- similar to the DC-10/MD-11.

The 320 series normal pitch attitudes directly reflects the 757 (from personal experience.)
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