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Lots Of Love For The 727, Not Much For The 73..

Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:48 pm

Particularly from pilots, it the 727 seems pretty universally acclaimed, but the 737 is quite the opposite. Why is this? Do they not have the same size, cramped cockpit? Does the addition of a FE factor into why pilots love the 727?

Just curious.
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Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:33 pm

I agree, there seems to be a lot of nostalgia for the 727 and I can't recall reading about any 737 affection, but I'm sure there is some out there; it depends surely upon what other types one has flown.

Perhaps its because for a lot of pilots the 727 was their first jet, as the F/E seat was a stepping stone to the right seat for many.

The 727 was one of the first to bring about domestic/short haul jet service, at a time when air travel was still something special, and so many were in service in the US that they became almost synonymous with air travel in that country for a few years. Whilst the 737 brought jet service to even more, smaller airports than the 727 had, by the time the 737 came along a few years later, the 727 had grabbed the spotlight.

Personal take - my first jet was the 146, which was sweet to fly, very stable and predictable, easy to land and full of character. The 737 in comparison was more of a handful, less forgiving, more reliable, and for the airlines rather more cost effective. The 146 cockpit was spacious, but for everyone behind the door, it was cramped.

The 146 was fun, the 737 just gets on with the job (which it does quite efficiently).

I haven't flow 727s so can't address the OP exactly, but can see why there is an affection difference between types.

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Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:36 pm

Quoting rjsampson (Thread starter):
Why is this? Do they not have the same size, cramped cockpit?

No, the 727 cockpit is probably about twice the size as the 737 cockpit, maybe slightly more than double. It's really nice with lots of room. There are 2 jumpseats in tandem behind the Captains seat, the front one is a little tight if the Captain has his seat back but still beats the 737 jumpseats.

It's a great piece of machinery, I absolutely loved everything about it as most here know. I gladly would have flown it for 30 more years if the job itself wasn't so crappy.
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Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:48 pm

Sometimes it comes down to looks. The 727 was a sexy looking beast. The 737 may be superior in every measurable way, but it still looks like a pig in a blanket.
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Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:05 pm

Quoting rjsampson (Thread starter):
Do they not have the same size, cramped cockpit?

From reading pilots' comments it seems the love for the 727 is based less on the cockpit and more on flying characteristics.

Certainly the wings of the 727 and 737 couldn't be more different. The 727 wing is big, heavy, and optimized for cruise speed on the one hand and field performance on the other. The 737 wing is optimized for light weight, relatively low speed, and low drag.
 
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Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:49 pm

I flew both, each for more than 5 years.

I did enjoy the 727 more than the 737 as it was a more capable airplane in some ways. We once cruised on the barber pole (Mach .88) for a few hours in the 727; the 737 is nowhere near that fast. Yet the 727 could operate from some short runways (triple slotted Fowler flaps, IIRC).

Even though the cockpits are the same width, the 727's flight deck didn't seem as cramped since it was longer. And it was good to have a third pilot there - the F.E., being further away from the instrument panel, sometimes had a better view of a situation than the captain or first officer.

But the 727s were complex and relative to the 737, fuel thirsty. The 737s are generally better climbers, too.

In the end, I remember most of the good features of the 727 and am nostalgic about it. I don't really feel that way about the 737s. I did enjoy my time on the 757s and 767s, too and do miss them as well.
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Tue Apr 28, 2015 10:19 pm

Quoting musang (Reply 1):
Perhaps its because for a lot of pilots the 727 was their first jet, as the F/E seat was a stepping stone to the right seat for many.

That's a small part of it but not the main reason.

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 4):
From reading pilots' comments it seems the love for the 727 is based less on the cockpit and more on flying characteristics.

That's hitting the nail on the head, it was simply the best looking, best flying, best handling narrowbody jet ever made. Stable, yet very responsive and it went through turbulence like a knife through butter.


Tough, rugged with character in spades and fast, it was just a beautiful, confidence inspiring Pilots aircraft.


I know the 73NG is a good aircraft but I avoided it deliberately, just never appealed to me, small cramped cockpit and a crummy ride in turbulence was a big disincentive, it doesn't come close to the three holer !

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Tue Apr 28, 2015 10:59 pm

Quoting Max Q (Reply 6):
Stable, yet very responsive and it went through turbulence like a knife through butter.

After the handling and shear joy it was to hand fly, I think I miss the ride the most. Man, now sometimes it seems like I'm on a bucking bronco on the bus.
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Wed Apr 29, 2015 3:15 am

Quoting Max Q (Reply 6):
Stable, yet very responsive and it went through turbulence like a knife through butter.
Quoting tb727 (Reply 7):
After the handling and shear joy it was to hand fly, I think I miss the ride the most. Man, now sometimes it seems like I'm on a bucking bronco on the bus.

Good point and thanks for mentioning that. Yes, the 727 was a better ride in turbulence and it did handle better, too.

I had to hand fly a 90 minute flight once in the 727 because the autopilot wouldn't engage. We were "fortunate" enough to have a FAA ASI in the jumpseat for that leg (oh joy!).

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Wed Apr 29, 2015 3:33 am

I used to work on 727s for several years. I liked the old fashioned, not integrated technology. Technically it was a simple aircraft and straightforward in it's design. The onlything I didn't like was changing brakes, as they were very big and heavy, and our brake lifter didn't fit beneath the wheel well doors, so that we had to lift them on and off the axle by hand, with only space for two guys. I can still feel my back protesting.

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Wed Apr 29, 2015 3:36 am

Even the Beastie Boys chose the 727 for their Licensed To Ill album cover. Of course the flipside showed the fuselage crunched into a mountainside.

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Wed Apr 29, 2015 7:56 am

Quoting tb727 (Reply 7):
After the handling and shear joy it was to hand fly, I think I miss the ride the most. Man, now sometimes it seems like I'm on a bucking bronco on the bus.

The 757 is the same, terrible ride in turbulence, a very stiff wing just doesn't help, the 767 is much better.


I've never flown or been a passenger on any aircraft that handled turbulence as well as the 727.
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Wed Apr 29, 2015 8:52 am

Irrelevant, but slightly interesting in a nit-picking sort of way, the Beastie Boys 727 is drawn with the ventral stairs detached. The artist must have drawn from an image of an aircraft on the ground, and just omitted the steps.

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Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:08 am

I loved riding in the Braniff 727's. You never knew which color you were going to get. Back in the 60's and 70's before regional jets were invented, 727's would fly milk runs with one flight number and one or more stops. In some ways it was better than now for service for smaller cities. Braniff would park a 727 each night at CRP. The first flight in the morning would go to IAH. Then after a short stop at the gate for departing passengers to leave and other passengers to board, the plane would then continue on to LGA and arrive in time for lunch. It was much easier than the modern system of getting on a regional jet arriving at a huge hub's regional jet terminal, finding the inter terminal airside transport, then walking across a huge terminal to get to the connecting flight. You could just stay in your seat. You could even fly first class a all the way from CRP to LGA. My father flew that flight several times. Its much more hassle to fly to and from smaller cities than it used to be.
 
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Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:45 am

I thought 737's were ugly compared to the 727. The first tone I flew on a 737 was in 1970 when they were very new. I can't remember if it was a 737-100 or 737-200, but I do remember it was Western Airlines. Dad took the whole family to Calgary for a convention. We flew a milk run DAL-CPR-BIL-YYC. As I recall the flight actually took advantage of the 737's ability to use gravel runways.
 
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Wed Apr 29, 2015 12:06 pm

Quoting flyingclrs727 (Reply 14):
I can't remember if it was a 737-100 or 737-200

If it was Western Airlines is was a plain old -200 and none of them had any kind of gravel kits installed. Calgary was a pretty nice airport as I recall even back then.
 
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Wed Apr 29, 2015 1:12 pm

Calgary was a great airport, but the stops in between seemed pretty Spartan. I was only 8 at the time, and its been a long time, so some of my memories might be mistaken.
 
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Wed Apr 29, 2015 9:24 pm

Curious, tb, is greasing the bus significantly easier than the 72? Did you ever get to a point on the 72 where you completely escaped the idiosyncratic hard landing notorious of the type?
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Wed Apr 29, 2015 9:45 pm

Quoting flyingclrs727 (Reply 14):
We flew a milk run DAL-CPR-BIL-YYC. As I recall the flight actually took advantage of the 737's ability to use gravel runways.

Are sure DAL? I think maybe you mean DEN? WA didn't fly to DAL in 1970 and certainly not non-stop to Casper.
 
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Wed Apr 29, 2015 11:02 pm

Gotta say as a pax, I miss the 732. I love those JT8D's that screamed like a jet should, and pinned you in your seat on a takeoff roll, and you could watch the bucket reversers in action from your seat   

That said, I think Boeing built the -100's and -200's with a stop gap mentality. The -100 was basically conceived to LH's specs (and why they ordered that over a DC-9 or BAC 1-11 is anyone's guess). The -200 (original) was just a lengthened -100. Boeing addressed many of the basic design's shortcomings with the -200/Advanced (which is how most of the -200's were built). The classics were basically stretched -200's with CFM engines in place of the JT8D, although they were offered with Boeing's 1st gen glass cockpit a few years after the first -300 flew (it was introduced with the -500, then offered on new build -400's and -300's).

I think Boeing got serious with the 737 when they lost the United order to Airbus and the A320 series...United was looking for a twin to replace their 727's. Airbus nailed it.
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Thu Apr 30, 2015 12:00 am

I have to be an equal opportunity offender, but I disliked both, with the 737 being far worse in pretty much every way from my vantage point. I was not sad the day our last 727 went to be scrapped, and if I'm alive when it happens I won't be sad when our last 737 gets chopped into small pieces and stuck in a smelter either.
 
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Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:13 am

It probably was DEN. I just remember making stops in CPR and BIL on the way to YYC on the Western flight.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 18):
Are sure DAL? I think maybe you mean DEN? WA didn't fly to DAL in 1970 and certainly not non-stop to Casper.
 
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Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:39 am

Quoting flyingclrs727 (Reply 14):
We flew a milk run DAL-CPR-BIL-YYC. As I recall the flight actually took advantage of the 737's ability to use gravel runways.

As already mentioned, Western didn't use the 732 on gravel runways. No Western destinations had gravel runways by the time they were operating jets, and probably not even for quite a while before that.

And they never operated a route DAL-CPR-BIL-YYC. The only points Western served nonstop from YYC before deregulation were GTF and DEN which came a little later and used the 720B originally. The YYC-DEN flights were popular with passengers in the oil business, but they had to connect at DEN on another airline to get to points in Texas. For a while they had an interchange service YYC-DEN-DFW, with DEN-DFW operated by Braniff but using the same Western aircraft all the way, probably 727-200 then.

There's never been any nonstop BIL-YYC service on any airline to the best of my memory. YYC-GTF flights normally continued to one or more of Helena, Butte, Idaho Falls and Pocatello and then SLC, and beyond to LAS and LAX..

Once Western obtained nonstop rights YYC-SLC they dropped YYC-GTF. At some point they also obtained nonstop YYC-LAX rights. Most passengers on YYC-GTF flights probably had LAS or LAX as their final destinations.
 
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Fri May 01, 2015 12:59 am

Quoting rjsampson (Reply 17):

Curious, tb, is greasing the bus significantly easier than the 72? Did you ever get to a point on the 72 where you completely escaped the idiosyncratic hard landing notorious of the type?

Much easier, I think the 319 is the easiest, the 320 is ok, the ones with sharklets float and I finally flew a 321 just today and my first landing was pretty good in it even with a good bit of gusty winds. My captain was a former 727 driver and he told me just fly it like the 72 and I'd be fine. I really liked it because the rotation was the same and the landing was pretty similar as well. Plus we were heavy and it finally felt good to feel some weight to the thing, thought it took turbulence a little better too.

lol, yeah I escaped the notorious hard landing idiosyncrasies in the 727 until the next landing. It went in streaks, once you got the hang of it you could manage pretty good strings of decent ones. Then you would come in and be like ohhh yeah, this is gonna be nic........clang! When you brushed one on it was very satisfying. CG and the use of power at landing had a lot to do with it.
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Fri May 01, 2015 3:06 am

Small hijack... DC-9-32 thoughts? It looks so good that it must be a great flyer. Same era as the 727 too.
 
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Fri May 01, 2015 2:43 pm

There is nothing special about the B737 any more, Boeing keeps churning out hundreds every year, airlines have hundreds in their fleet with identical colours and interiors. There are 8,000 B737s built (or something like that) while the B727 only reached 1834 frames.

99% of my workdays are spent onboard the B737-800, which is a very capable and versatile aircraft and great in many ways, but boring. It is a very generic looking aircraft, one engine under each wing.

The B727 looked different, with 3 engines at the back, ventral stairs - it had something special. My B727-200 experience are from charter carrier Sterling Airways, they were packed with 182 seats and galleys bursting at the seams with duty free goods. I have several colleagues who flew the Sterling B727 as pilots and cabin crew and they all praise the aircraft and the "good ol' days" in the 1980s and early 1990s.

The B727 belonged to another world, where flying was just not a bus service in the air like it is today. It was something special.
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Fri May 01, 2015 8:15 pm

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 25):
There is nothing special about the B737 any more, Boeing keeps churning out hundreds every year, airlines have hundreds in their fleet with identical colours and interiors. There are 8,000 B737s built (or something like that) while the B727 only reached 1834 frames.

99% of my workdays are spent onboard the B737-800, which is a very capable and versatile aircraft and great in many ways, but boring. It is a very generic looking aircraft, one engine under each wing.

The B727 looked different, with 3 engines at the back, ventral stairs - it had something special. My B727-200 experience are from charter carrier Sterling Airways, they were packed with 182 seats and galleys bursting at the seams with duty free goods. I have several colleagues who flew the Sterling B727 as pilots and cabin crew and they all praise the aircraft and the "good ol' days" in the 1980s and early 1990s.

The B727 belonged to another world, where flying was just not a bus service in the air like it is today. It was something special.

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Fri May 01, 2015 10:59 pm

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 25):
The B727 looked different, with 3 engines at the back, ventral stairs - it had something special. The B727 belonged to another world, where flying was just not a bus service in the air like it is today. It was something special.

Could I spend ten minutes watching this if the majority were a B737.. http://youtu.be/zfGvZ-EZyPA   

I agree, it is reminiscent of another era, when flying, and service was extra special. I think, at the airport, as pax, it seemed to stand out, when it was moving, or not. Towards the end of its service for Ansett it started to be noticeably noisy in comparison to other and even came with its own smoke trails, but it was a classic. I remember when they retired it in 1997 and it was the right time for it to go. I like the 734 and 738 but I don't think of them in the same way.

The good 'ol days, commercial jets in the 60's.. http://youtu.be/2QcYhJqN_6c

727 flap sequence..http://youtu.be/qDs7haZK7Go



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Fri May 01, 2015 11:03 pm

Quoting Flighty (Reply 24):
Small hijack... DC-9-32 thoughts? It looks so good that it must be a great flyer. Same era as the 727 too.

Having flown a -15, -32 and -33, the -30's are much nicer flying airplanes, IMO. Really easy to fly, considering it is my first jet. I'd love the chance to fly a -40 or -50, but it won't ever happen.

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Fri May 01, 2015 11:22 pm

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 19):
I think Boeing got serious with the 737 when they lost the United order to Airbus and the A320 series...United was looking for a twin to replace their 727's. Airbus nailed it.

Boeing was quiet sure to get an order for the Boeing 737-400 and the order for Airbus A320s by United was probably a shock.

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 19):
Gotta say as a pax, I miss the 732. I love those JT8D's that screamed like a jet should, and pinned you in your seat on a takeoff roll, and you could watch the bucket reversers in action from your seat   

Same with me. The 737-200 (and 727) reminds me of my Lufthansa-flights as a child and young teen.
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Fri May 01, 2015 11:27 pm

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 28):
Having flown a -15, -32 and -33, the -30's are much nicer flying airplanes, IMO. Really easy to fly, considering it is my first jet. I'd love the chance to fly a -40 or -50, but it won't ever happen.

At your young profiled age I'm curious where when you got to fly these really old DC8's most of which have not been around since before you were born? There must be a great story there.
 
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Sat May 02, 2015 2:48 am

Quoting BravoOne (Reply 30):
At your young profiled age I'm curious where when you got to fly these really old DC8's most of which have not been around since before you were born? There must be a great story there.

DC9, not DC8, but yeah, they haven't been made since long before I was around.

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Sat May 02, 2015 7:00 am

Quoting musang (Reply 12):
Irrelevant, but slightly interesting in a nit-picking sort of way, the Beastie Boys 727 is drawn with the ventral stairs detached.

Damm, I never noticed that....they left the cooper vane off too!

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Sat May 02, 2015 2:07 pm

Quoting VapourTrails (Reply 27):
727 flap sequence..

Just look at that wing! It disassembles itself! All of it designed on a drafting board with real paper with slide rules.

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 25):
The B727 belonged to another world, where flying was just not a bus service in the air like it is today. It was something special.

Reply of the week! I think that's why I liked it, it took me back to when I was a kid dreaming of flying it, then I went and did it. It was the whole goal of wanting to fly. Now that I just come in and punch buttons and don't feel as one with the ship I'm on, it's just going to work.
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Sun May 03, 2015 10:33 am

What is the fastest Mach Number you have been to in the 727 TB ?


We had an issue with the Captains MMO pointer on his retirement flight and we went to .92 Mach, no issue at all, solid as a rock (bit noisy)


I understand Boeing tested it to .96 and of course TWA took one supersonic..
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Mon May 04, 2015 1:38 am

Quoting Max Q (Reply 34):
What is the fastest Mach Number you have been to in the 727 TB ?

.88 is the fastest I have been, .86 was the fastest we would cruise at long range. My favorite thing to say when someone asked why we were going so fast is because she shakes too bad at .89!

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Pretty sure she would be smooth as silk though to .99, what a machine.

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TWA took one supersonic..

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Mon May 04, 2015 5:13 am

She was fast, and tough, very glad I got to experience that, best wishes.
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Mon May 04, 2015 10:28 am

Quoting Max Q (Reply 34):
I understand Boeing tested it to .96 and of course TWA took one supersonic..

I believe the infamous TWA 727 flight only exceed the B727 Mach limitations which did not take the airplane supersonic, but darn close.

BTW, Hoot passed away a couple of months ago in Henderson, NV
 
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Mon May 04, 2015 12:25 pm

Quoting BravoOne (Reply 37):
BTW, Hoot passed away a couple of months ago in Henderson, NV

Interestingly enough the idea he allegedly used of pulling the leading edge devices CB and setting the flaps to 2 to pitch the nose down a bit and increase the wing area is what they did with the winglet fitted airplanes. After we got our first one I was looking at the wing and the new flap tracks had the flaps slightly out, maybe not as far as at 2 degrees but it was noticeable. It was also noticeable in cruise that we were on plane and nearly level at 0 degrees, the MMO was down to .87 on those aircraft too. I also never really saw the fuel savings we were supposed to get except at the beginning when they were still adjusting flight plan burns but she seemed to be happiest at .82-.84.

Anyhoo, I guess he took that one to the grave on what really happened. That was probably one wild ride.
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Mon May 04, 2015 1:15 pm

The 787 has cruise flaps and deploys the TE flaps without any pilot input. I guess he was just ahead of his time 
 
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RE: Lots Of Love For The 727, Not Much For The 73..

Mon May 04, 2015 6:20 pm

Quoting VapourTrails (Reply 27):
727 flap sequence..

I flew that exact plane later in life as N251FL. Flew like a dream!

Quoting tb727 (Reply 35):
The clacker isn't a limitation, it is a goal.

We had a Captain who had a few great quotes about flying fast: "If you're not clackin, you're slackin!" and "Feel that shake? That's how you know you chose the right speed!"

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RE: Lots Of Love For The 727, Not Much For The 73..

Wed May 06, 2015 2:22 am

Quoting tb727 (Reply 35):
.88 is the fastest I have been, .86 was the fastest we would cruise at long range. My favorite thing to say when someone asked why we were going so fast is because she shakes too bad at .89!

I remember a flight where did .88 for over 3 hours - right on top of the barber pole, but didn't set the overspeed clacker off once.

Which reminds me of another time when a company 727 overtook us, so the skipper pushed the power up and passed that flight. So they did the same and re-passed us. But our skipper wasn't done, he pushed the power a bit more and with his foot of the overspeed clacker test switch and his knee on the handheld microphone button, he broadcast on the air-to-air frequency the sound of the clacker to the company flight. While we weren't actually setting off the clacker due to an overspeed, the other company 727 believed it and they backed down. Score one for Captain "Denny" (long since retired).

Quoting Max Q (Reply 36):
She was fast, and tough, very glad I got to experience that, best wishes.

Fast and tough - absolutely right.
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RE: Lots Of Love For The 727, Not Much For The 73..

Wed May 06, 2015 5:26 am

The 727 from a passenger perspective was very smooth also, easiest plane to fall asleep on ever. Did a few more West Coast-DFW redeyes on DL and AA than I care to remember.
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RE: Lots Of Love For The 727, Not Much For The 73..

Wed May 06, 2015 6:25 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 32):
Quoting musang (Reply 12):Irrelevant, but slightly interesting in a nit-picking sort of way, the Beastie Boys 727 is drawn with the ventral stairs detached.
Damm, I never noticed that....they left the cooper vane off too!

Aha! Didn't know AA had Cooper vanes.

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RE: Lots Of Love For The 727, Not Much For The 73..

Wed May 06, 2015 2:27 pm

Quoting musang (Reply 43):
Aha! Didn't know AA had Cooper vanes.

I would bet that most pax planes probably had them until they were converted to freighters. Half our freighters had them, the other ones had them removed.

Quoting FlyHossD (Reply 41):
But our skipper wasn't done, he pushed the power a bit more and with his foot of the overspeed clacker test switch and his knee on the handheld microphone button, he broadcast on the air-to-air frequency the sound of the clacker to the company flight.

Ahh when it was fun to fly! I flew with trip at .86 from DAL to ONT once, we passed a small Citation going the same direction and it looked like he was going the other way. The next day the head horse guy had pissed the Captain off so we did like .70 to KY to prove a point and make him late to watch a KY basketball game, talk about extremes in mach cruise.
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RE: Lots Of Love For The 727, Not Much For The 73..

Thu May 07, 2015 12:10 am

Quoting brons2 (Reply 42):
The 727 from a passenger perspective was very smooth also,

Except the landings which were rarely very smooth and often included a bounce or two, unlike the 737 which always seems to stay planted on the ground even when the landing is harder than usual.
 
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RE: Lots Of Love For The 727, Not Much For The 73..

Thu May 07, 2015 4:31 pm

Quoting musang (Reply 43):
Aha! Didn't know AA had Cooper vanes.

I thought the installation was a FAA thing after the DB Cooper hijacking
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RE: Lots Of Love For The 727, Not Much For The 73..

Thu May 07, 2015 5:30 pm

Takes me back to the MCI of the 70s and most of the 80s, when it seemed to me to be 727 City whenever we drove up I-29 and took the spur over to the terminals. My first commercial flight was on a BI 727 MKC-DAL during the summer of 1971. I was hooked. I've never felt the same about any 737. The first few times on a -200, watching the reverse thruster buckets deploy was fascinating, but after that, it was never in the same league with me as the 727.
 
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RE: Lots Of Love For The 727, Not Much For The 73..

Thu May 07, 2015 5:34 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 46):
I thought the installation was a FAA thing after the DB Cooper hijacking

It was named after him, and the FAA did mandate them, but I think it wasn't specifically in response to him, but a string of hijackings that occurred in that period
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RE: Lots Of Love For The 727, Not Much For The 73..

Thu May 07, 2015 6:23 pm

The 727 is the one airliner I have a really strong emotional attachment to. Apologies to the Concorde crowd, but it's the most gorgeous man made thing with wings...ever. I can just stare at that thing forever.

I lived in the Canadian high arctic growing up and our way in and out was with PWA 727's and 737's. I liked them both, to tell the truth. Each had their charm but the 737 just seemed so pedestrian compared to its three holed sibling. The 727 inspired Star Trek and moon landing futuristic wonder.

From before takeoff, it was something special. First, it looked like a proper jet...and I mean the way science fiction magazines way back thought a jet of the future would look. Every flight surface is crazy swept. It looks like Mach 2 sitting on the ground.

We would use the airstair in the back...another element that made the experience feel special. There is something almost dramatic about that climb. It has a red carpet feel to it.

From the back, it always felt like you were going vertical after take off. The thrill of being pushed back in your seat never got old.

And the ride was like glass. Even as a kid, I was a rabid aircraft enthusiast. I built models of most fighters, prop and jet but the 727 was the only airline model I built. It didn't look in the least out of place with any of the fighters.

I remember, as a kid, remarking on how solid it felt in flight. PWA had combis, and there was quite a bit of floor space between the front seats and the cargo bulkhead. On some flights, we spent the whole trip, (other than takeoff and landing), playing cards and whatever we could think of sitting on the floor. We may as well have been sitting on the ground, for as little as any turbulence could intrude.

Yet, it's the 737 that lives on, being a real jet of the future, so it shows that efficiency is king and looks aren't everything. But from a passenger point of view, it does come down mostly to looks...and in the looks and emotion department;

the 737 is a plane...but the 727 is a jet.
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