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Roomy Cockpits
Are there specific planes (by segment, like widebody, narrowbody, regional) that have roomier cockpits than others? For example is the MD-80 roomier and more comfortable than the 737? CRJ vs. ERJ? Dash8 vs. Saab340, and on and one.
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The a320 is probably the largest most comfy cockpit for a narrowbody. The 737 is small, as is the md80. 757 is decent but the jumpseat makes you feel like a toddler in a high chair.
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DC-8 and Caravelle were pretty comfy. More like the 320.
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I would say the 777 has the roomiest flight deck compared to a 747 or an A330, but obviously not the A380.
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| Quoting B757Forever (Reply 4): The L-1011 had a huge cockpit. |
Also DC-10 and MD-11. All 3 much larger than the 747 cockpit which has always been considered as cramped in comparison.
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What about the 787? How is it? How does it match up to an A350?
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EJet vs CRJ7/9? Anyone with experience in both of these?
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Boeing 377 beats them all. It was huge and with the glazed nose, looked even bigger.
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| Quoting OKCFlyer (Reply 7): EJet vs CRJ7/9? Anyone with experience in both of these? |
E-Jet has a substantially larger cockpit than the CRJ series. The CRJ is painfully cramped much like the ERJ-135/140/145.
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| Quoting northwestEWR (Reply 9): E-Jet has a substantially larger cockpit than the CRJ series. The CRJ is painfully cramped much like the ERJ-135/140/145. |
E-Jet is quite comfortable but certainly not "large." My only true cockpit experience is jumpseating in an E145, and while it was a great time, I can't even describe how tiny and uncomfortable that jumpseat is.
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| Quoting flyDTW1992 (Reply 10): E-Jet is quite comfortable but certainly not "large." My only true cockpit experience is jumpseating in an E145, and while it was a great time, I can't even describe how tiny and uncomfortable that jumpseat is. |
Oh the E-Jet isn't large. Just a lot larger than the CRJ.
And yes, the ERJ jumpseat is just sad. There is less legroom than the tightest Y seat in the world. It's a plastic folding chair on in front of the door that places your feet on the radio stack. What a nightmare.
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| Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5): All 3 much larger than the 747 cockpit which has always been considered as cramped in comparison. |
I flew both the 10 and the 742. I can't remember the 10 cockpit being that much bigger ' but it may have been...just not with an exclamation or I think I'd have remembered.
I do remember that the 10s at our airline had electric adjustable seats which might have elicited a "wow". The 742s were all manual.
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As expected, the 777 cockpit is quite roomy with two comfortable jumpseats. The 757/767 cockpit is also quite roomy although the 2nd jumpseat (if installed) is horribly uncomfortable. Airbus has some roomy cockpits, especially their narrowbodies.
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| Quoting northwestEWR (Reply 11): And yes, the ERJ jumpseat is just sad. There is less legroom than the tightest Y seat in the world. It's a plastic folding chair on in front of the door that places your feet on the radio stack. What a nightmare. |
Best seat in the house when it's the only one open and you're headed home.
The Dash 8 is pretty roomy up front. More than a 737.
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| Quoting DashTrash (Reply 14): Best seat in the house when it's the only one open and you're headed home. |
LOL! That's definitely true. The view is also excellent.
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| Quoting RetiredWeasel (Reply 12): flew both the 10 and the 742. I can't remember the 10 cockpit being that much bigger ' but it may have been...just not with an exclamation or I think I'd have remembered. |
the DC-10 & MD-11 ever very nice and roomy. I never flew the 747 but was told by friends that did that it wasn't much bigger than the 727
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Saw an MD-11 at LHR once with a third crew member sitting on the ledge of a side window.
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| Quoting 29erUSA187 (Reply 6): What about the 787? How is it? How does it match up to an A350? |
I've been in the B787 cockpit once, and it is very roomy. I think there are four jump seats, and not those folding types like a B737 either.
The cockpit is very wide, and a lot of space between the rear of the pilot's seats and the bulkhead.
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| Quoting SAAFNAV (Reply 18): I've been in the B787 cockpit once, and it is very roomy. I think there are four jump seats, and not those folding types like a B737 either. |
Why so many? That seems like quite a large number. Is it all for deadheading pilots on the long haul routes or?
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| Quoting akiss20 (Reply 19): Why so many? That seems like quite a large number. Is it all for deadheading pilots on the long haul routes or? |
No clue, but I guess long haul routes is more probably than for dead-heading crew.
I was just pleasantly surprised by how roomy it is.
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| Quoting SAAFNAV (Reply 18): I've been in the B787 cockpit once, and it is very roomy. I think there are four jump seats, and not those folding types like a B737 either. |
The 737 is the only Boeing that has the "folding seat" and some have a wall mounted seat behind the pilot too. The 787 has 2 not 4 jump seats, similar to the 777.
| Quoting N757ST (Reply 1): 757 is decent but the jumpseat makes you feel like a toddler in a high chair. |
If I remember correctly, you can blame the FAA for that.
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| Quoting CosmicCruiser (Reply 16): I never flew the 747 but was told by friends that did that it wasn't much bigger than the 727 |
Have to disagree with that one. Flying 727s out of Guam, a lot of pilots would buy 'slimline' flight bags since the Jepps were stored on the aircraft. Jamming a full size flight bag between the seat and the outboard sidewall in a 727 was sometimes a chore. No problem in a 747.
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| Quoting N757ST (Reply 1): The a320 is probably the largest most comfy cockpit for a narrowbody. |
I agree, it's very comfortable! Nice and wide, the seat is decent and the armrests are great.
The 727 was long and you could fit 5 people up there no problem as long as the Captain didn't put his seat all the way back. 2 guys could easily stand and bs by the door and FE seat as long as he moved the damn thing in. F'ing FE's
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I flew jump seat on a couple Southwest 737-700's recently and it was pretty tight, but once in the center folding seat it wasn't too bad as long as you aren't like 7ft tall or 300lbs. I noticed they also had a jump seat behind the captains chair, but the entire flight I couldn't figure out how a person could ever fit in it lol. The captains seat back was literally up against it the entire flight. Fun times though that's for sure.
I have also been in a TWA 752 for a ferry flight and recall it being pretty spacious, and the step down made you feel like you were looking down at everything. Was actually pretty cool.
I have also been in a TWA 752 for a ferry flight and recall it being pretty spacious, and the step down made you feel like you were looking down at everything. Was actually pretty cool.
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Biggest narrowbody cockpit I've been in was the B-707. The aft wall was a few inches further back than the B-727.
Biggest widebody for me is the 762. Built for three crew members, but most only had two. It had room for three jumpseats, while 763s could only fit two. I wonder if the later ex-CO machines had the larger cockpit?
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Biggest widebody for me is the 762. Built for three crew members, but most only had two. It had room for three jumpseats, while 763s could only fit two. I wonder if the later ex-CO machines had the larger cockpit?
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| Quoting TheFlyingDisk (Reply 3): I would say the 777 has the roomiest flight deck compared to a 747 |
I'll agree with that. One of my favorite show off tricks was seating myself in the No1 seat... From the Left.
| Quoting TheFlyingDisk (Reply 3): or an A330, but obviously not the A380. |
There's really not a lot of difference between the two. The 380 has a small alcove on the aft right side for the diagnostics equipment, but that's really it.
If you're including the lav & bunks aft of the actual flight deck, but still fwd of the door, then yes, it's a huge split level affair, isn't it?
| Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5): Also DC-10 and MD-11. All 3 much larger than the 747 cockpit which has always been considered as cramped in comparison. |
Yup. I'd need exact dimensions to tell for sure, but to me it looks like the Scud has about as much room up front as the 777 series. I will say that the DC-10 is technically smaller, on virtue of the FE panel, but it's still noticeably bigger than a 747 up front.
In any case, I think the MD11 gets my "best flightdeck" vote based on space, but also those Huge windows. I'd want to give the L1011 an honorable mention here, but I've never been up front in one of those, except a few times on the ground.
| Quoting DashTrash (Reply 14): The Dash 8 is pretty roomy up front. More than a 737. |
Yes, the Crash 8 is most certainly bigger up front than that broom closet the 737s have. Not quite A320 size, but I would say it's closer to that than a 737.
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| Quoting modesto2 (Reply 13): The 757/767 cockpit is also quite roomy although the 2nd jumpseat (if installed) is horribly uncomfortable. |
Ever ridden jumpseat on an MD80 ?
It makes the 2nd j/s on the 757 seem positively luxurious.
| Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 25): Biggest widebody for me is the 762. Built for three crew members, but most only had two. It had room for three jumpseats, while 763s could only fit two. I wonder if the later ex-CO machines had the larger cockpit? |
Our 767's (CO) have two jumpseats, one behind the CA and one centrally located against the rear bulkhead, same on our 424's and our much missed -224's.
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One more cockpit that deserves mention is ATR. It's surprisingly roomy for an A/C of this size, with a decent jumpseat. Q400 is cramped in comparison, so is the 737.
767 had a lot of space IIRC, mainly due to the (obsolete) F/E station behind the F/O seat. 787 is wide, but quite short.
E145 gets my vote as one of the crampiest. Rumor has that the jumpseat had been originally designed as a torture device and then adopted to its cockpit role with only minor changes.
767 had a lot of space IIRC, mainly due to the (obsolete) F/E station behind the F/O seat. 787 is wide, but quite short.
E145 gets my vote as one of the crampiest. Rumor has that the jumpseat had been originally designed as a torture device and then adopted to its cockpit role with only minor changes.
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