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Longest DC-8-70 Series Routes

Mon Jun 15, 2015 11:18 pm

I never flew on a -70 series DC-8 but I am curious, what were some of its longest passenger routes? Which carriers besides UA had them? I know UPS and several other cargo carries had them and perhaps a few still do.
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RE: Longest DC-8-70 Series Routes

Tue Jun 16, 2015 7:02 am

Both UA and DL had them in the 80s. The routes were mostly domestic and Hawaii.
 
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RE: Longest DC-8-70 Series Routes

Tue Jun 16, 2015 9:42 am

I think FTL must have used these for some very long sectors while doing MAC charters but of course these were not scheduled operations. Ditto for World Airways and TIA.
 
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RE: Longest DC-8-70 Series Routes

Wed Jun 17, 2015 4:26 am

Quoting penguins (Reply 1):
Both UA and DL had them in the 80s. The routes were mostly domestic and Hawaii.

Pretty sure UA and DL were the only carriers that converted passenger -61s to -71s. I believe all the -63 to -73 conversions were for use as freighters, and at least one passenger to VIP conversion (later converted to a freighter). A few -62s were converted to -72s for government/military and VIP operators.

My longest -70 series flight was on a UA -71 in 1988 IAD-SEA. Originated EWR with a stop at IAD. I also recall a ORD-SEA flight on a UA -71 around that time.
 
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RE: Longest DC-8-70 Series Routes

Wed Jun 17, 2015 4:52 am

I have done ORD-HNL on a UA DC-8.
 
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RE: Longest DC-8-70 Series Routes

Wed Jun 17, 2015 7:07 pm

Anyone find a ORD-HNL nonstop UA DC-8 after 1981?
 
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RE: Longest DC-8-70 Series Routes

Thu Jun 18, 2015 12:19 am

I flew JFK-SEA on a -71 in April 1989, UA.
 
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RE: Longest DC-8-70 Series Routes

Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:17 am

Quoting ADent (Reply 4):
I have done ORD-HNL on a UA DC-8.

Did UA operate the DC-8-71 on ORD-HNL? I don't think it had the range even with the more economic CFM56 engines. I'm fairly sure they only used their long-range DC-8-62s on ORD-HNL.
 
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RE: Longest DC-8-70 Series Routes

Thu Jun 18, 2015 5:09 pm

Suspect not. UA did schedule a DC-8 DEN-HNL circa 1989.
 
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RE: Longest DC-8-70 Series Routes

Thu Jun 18, 2015 10:43 pm

My mistake-- a UA DC-8 did HNL-DEN nonstop in summer 1989, but not DEN-HNL.
 
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RE: Longest DC-8-70 Series Routes

Fri Jun 19, 2015 1:08 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 3):
I believe all the -63 to -73 conversions were for use as freighters, and at least one passenger to VIP conversion (later converted to a freighter). A few -62s were converted to -72s for government/military and VIP operators.

That's largely correct but Transamerica used their -73CFs on passenger work and Minerve was amongst the operators of msn 46063 before it was converted into a freighter.


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RE: Longest DC-8-70 Series Routes

Sat Jun 20, 2015 9:56 am

What a stunning shot you have there I251.


As if that DC8 isn't enough you have a stunning 747 Classic and a beautiful 727 all together.


Great stuff !
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RE: Longest DC-8-70 Series Routes

Sun Jun 21, 2015 4:03 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7):
Did UA operate the DC-8-71 on ORD-HNL? I don't think it had the range even with the more economic CFM56 engines. I'm fairly sure they only used their long-range DC-8-62s on ORD-HNL.

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After the CFM conversion the airplane may well have had the legs to fly ORD-HNL But!! I do not believe UA flight planning would have had the "stones" to try it.
I worked on the DC8-71 and personally LOVED the airplane. It was a challenge, and I liked the challenge
The CFM56-2 made it a NEW airplane.
 
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RE: Longest DC-8-70 Series Routes

Mon Jun 22, 2015 5:05 am

Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 12):
I worked on the DC8-71 and personally LOVED the airplane. It was a challenge, and I liked the challenge
The CFM56-2 made it a NEW airplane.

I worked the DC-8-71 for the "other" airline, and it was a pain in the a$$. Don't know how UA's galleys were laid out, but ours had the ovens down on the floor...literally. And the casserole holders were these wire contraptions guaranteed to burn your wrists... it looked like you had tried to commit suicide after a meal service. Which, after working that plane, you sometimes contemplated...  

And the engines hanging off the wings may have been new, but absolutely everything else about that aircraft was ancient.

Two quick stories... once went into holding, and everytime the aircraft turned a loop, the roof emitted a crackling sound. Captain explained that the insulation between the ceiling panels and the exterior of the aircraft was saturated with water and had frozen, and the fuselage would twist in a turn and the ice would crack. Amused the passengers... not.

Also, the DC-8-70 series could go in to reverse thrust on descent to slow down, like previous models did. Had my first experience while cleaning up the last couple of rows of meal trays... went from row 40 to row 1 in 10 seconds flat!
 
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RE: Longest DC-8-70 Series Routes

Mon Jun 22, 2015 8:03 am

Quoting LawnDart (Reply 13):

Two quick stories... once went into holding, and everytime the aircraft turned a loop, the roof emitted a crackling sound. Captain explained that the insulation between the ceiling panels and the exterior of the aircraft was saturated with water and had frozen, and the fuselage would twist in a turn and the ice would crack

That is absolutely priceless    
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RE: Longest DC-8-70 Series Routes

Wed Jun 24, 2015 7:03 am

Quoting LawnDart (Reply 13):
Also, the DC-8-70 series could go in to reverse thrust on descent to slow down, like previous models did. Had my first experience while cleaning up the last couple of rows of meal trays... went from row 40 to row 1 in 10 seconds flat!

I love hearing little tidbits like this.

A couple of years ago I was among a group of folks along for a ride from Sacrmento to Long Beach and back on a chartered -62 Combi. After the final landing I was talking to the pilots and asked about that reverse in flight feature - they basically said "Oh, that? If we knew you guys were interested, we could've done it!"

I was gutted. So close! It is certainly something I'll never experience. I hadn't even thought of mentioning it beforehand.
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RE: Longest DC-8-70 Series Routes

Wed Jun 24, 2015 7:54 am

Quoting Accidentally (Reply 15):
A couple of years ago I was among a group of folks along for a ride from Sacrmento to Long Beach and back on a chartered -62 Combi. After the final landing I was talking to the pilots and asked about that reverse in flight feature - they basically said "Oh, that? If we knew you guys were interested, we could've done it!"

I was gutted. So close! It is certainly something I'll never experience. I hadn't even thought of mentioning it beforehand.

It is a cool feature but only permitted on those aircraft equipped with rear view mirrors..


Concorde could do the same thing.
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RE: Longest DC-8-70 Series Routes

Wed Jun 24, 2015 5:40 pm

Looking over at departedflights.com it appears that during the 70s and 80s UA operated, almost exclusively, their HNL-mainland routes with a mix of DC-10 and 747 equipment. The outer islands (KOA, OGG, and ITO) saw a mix of the widebodies plus the D8S -- but looks like those routes were from LAX or SFO only. IIRC the final DC-8-71 flight for UA was on the SFO-KOA route.
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RE: Longest DC-8-70 Series Routes

Wed Jun 24, 2015 8:37 pm

Amer Aviation or maybe AW&ST reported that a DC-8-50 with the inner engines at max continuous reverse thrust would descend 13000 ft/min with a deck angle near 30 deg down.
 
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RE: Longest DC-8-70 Series Routes

Sun Jun 28, 2015 4:08 am

Quoting desertjets (Reply 17):
Looking over at departedflights.com it appears that during the 70s and 80s UA operated, almost exclusively, their HNL-mainland routes with a mix of DC-10 and 747 equipment. The outer islands (KOA, OGG, and ITO) saw a mix of the widebodies plus the D8S -- but looks like those routes were from LAX or SFO only. IIRC the final DC-8-71 flight for UA was on the SFO-KOA route.

The final route was SFO-KOA via LAX. The original last flight ran into problems and had to turn back, thus seemingly ending the DC-8-71's career at UA. However, the Captain found a spare at LAX, so he diverted there, picked that one up, and continued on to KOA.
 
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RE: Longest DC-8-70 Series Routes

Tue Jun 30, 2015 7:16 am

Quoting LawnDart (Reply 13):
once went into holding, and everytime the aircraft turned a loop, the roof emitted a crackling sound. Captain explained that the insulation between the ceiling panels and the exterior of the aircraft was saturated with water and had frozen, and the fuselage would twist in a turn and the ice would crack. Amused the passengers... not.

Had that a few times recently on two CX A330s from KUL to HKG. Crackling sound from the ceiling on take-off and climb out...
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RE: Longest DC-8-70 Series Routes

Sun Jul 05, 2015 10:52 am

They were operated across the Atlantic for a short while.

In the early 90s Irish charter airline Translift (later Transaer) had a scheduled service from DUB-LAX via somewhere in the US it only lasted for a few months.

IIRC also operated charters DUB-MCO

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Translift_Airways

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