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Which Plane Would You Buy?

Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:47 pm

So this is an aviation enthusiast website after all, and well, the question is quite simple. If you were to be in the market for an airplane, what would you be looking for?

I have a PPL and around 100 hours, but haven't flown regularly since I moved to Europe about 10 years ago. Too many hobbies and too little money, GA being much more expensive here than in Canada, it's been hard to justify. Slowly but surely I'm starting to get back into aviation and I love it, almost can't believe I've ignored it for so long, money be damned.

But renting is still way too expensive to fly regularly and I've been looking around to see what I can afford in the near future, and since I don't know what kind of flying I want to do I'm trying to narrow that down. Lately, I've been watching Trent Palmer's channel and have become very interested in bush type flying and I'm seriously falling for the Kit Fox with big bush tires. Being able to land just about anywhere I please.....

What would you guys be looking at if you were in the market for a plane?

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Re: Which Plane Would You Buy?

Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:55 pm

So many variables and so many options...
But if you can define a budget and the general usage, then I'm sure we could give you a few ideas.

I'd go for a kit myself as well, with a Rotax.
Europe is atrociously expensive for GA. Keep it basic, keep it cheap.
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Re: Which Plane Would You Buy?

Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:59 pm

Well, if there's no budget, something like a Citation X. Long range, high speed and space to get up and walk around.
 
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Re: Which Plane Would You Buy?

Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:07 pm

Francoflier wrote:
So many variables and so many options...
But if you can define a budget and the general usage, then I'm sure we could give you a few ideas.

I'd go for a kit myself as well, with a Rotax.
Europe is atrociously expensive for GA. Keep it basic, keep it cheap.



Budget wise, I'd say what's realistic for you... if I was a few million richer I'd probably go for a PC-12 but that's not likely to happen.

So a Kitfox seems to tick all the boxes.
 
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Re: Which Plane Would You Buy?

Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:19 pm

Budget wise, I'd say what's realistic for you... if I was a few million richer I'd probably go for a PC-12 but that's not likely to happen.

So a Kitfox seems to tick all the boxes.


That’s one hell of a plane!

I also love the Cessna 182 RG and older models als do quite a nice job.
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Re: Which Plane Would You Buy?

Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:37 pm

mchei wrote:
Budget wise, I'd say what's realistic for you... if I was a few million richer I'd probably go for a PC-12 but that's not likely to happen.

So a Kitfox seems to tick all the boxes.


That’s one hell of a plane!

I also love the Cessna 182 RG and older models als do quite a nice job.


I've had a chance to sit right seat in one but not an RG, they are cool planes. Like a cargo van, great family and friend hauler for the weekends.
 
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Re: Which Plane Would You Buy?

Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:53 pm

I've had a chance to sit right seat in one but not an RG, they are cool planes. Like a cargo van, great family and friend hauler for the weekends.


The RG is of course faster but also relatively quiet and more stable in the air.
I'm saying this a passenger because it was my granddad who flew it. He was fascinated and it was his favorite plane to fly.
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Re: Which Plane Would You Buy?

Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:16 pm

If I were wealthy enough to be contemplating this I would be living on Maui.

For putting around the islands:

C206 Stationair

For getting to the mainland and beyond:

Citation X

And for some serious fun, I’d keep both a PC-12 and G58 Baron in CA or OR for journeys around the mountain west. Probably gonna need a C185 or Beaver for lakes and inlets in the Pac NW as well.
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Re: Which Plane Would You Buy?

Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:39 am

If money was no object I would go for a Gulfstream 550 or Gulfstream 650. And then to get into the really small airports I would go for a Cessna 182.
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Re: Which Plane Would You Buy?

Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:03 am

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Re: Which Plane Would You Buy?

Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:53 am

An A318BBJ

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Re: Which Plane Would You Buy?

Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:06 am

Money is no option? Then let's re-build this one:

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Realistically? None.
 
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Re: Which Plane Would You Buy?

Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:30 am

BartSimpson wrote:
Money is no option? Then let's re-build this one:

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Realistically? None.



Have you seen the Do-24 rebuild? :)

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Re: Which Plane Would You Buy?

Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:57 am

Realistically speaking, if I had my pilots license I would go buy the kit for a home built spitfire replica. Vintage WW2 aircraft with modern avionics? Yes please!
 
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Re: Which Plane Would You Buy?

Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:29 am

Redd wrote:
Have you seen the Do-24 rebuild? :)


Yes, once in 2008 or so when it landed in Frankfurt on the Main river. Impressive, but I still want the big thing!

(And if I have another billion to spend, I'll have a replica of the Normandie built, too.)
 
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Re: Which Plane Would You Buy?

Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:43 am

I'll have a P-47, a Bf-109, a C-133 and an FB-111.
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Re: Which Plane Would You Buy?

Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:44 am

I would get a G650ER.
 
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Re: Which Plane Would You Buy?

Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:06 am

Falcon 50 is quite cheap nowadays.

Beriev 200 so I can land at my private Caribbean island without needing to build an ugly runway on it.

Oh, we're not rich ?

Something with a Rotax or two for sure, to use mogas instead of avgas.

I'm not sure a bush plane is that useful in Europe.
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Re: Which Plane Would You Buy?

Tue Jul 09, 2019 11:41 am

Embraer Phenom 100 or TBM 940
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Re: Which Plane Would You Buy?

Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:07 pm

Our local airport only has a 4,000’ Runway with a width of 100’, so something small. Maybe a PC12 or a Cessna Denali when they come out. Then again, a nice new Cirrus would do the trick. The best piston I ever flew was a Trinidad. Socata made a really nice family of aircraft years ago. Nice big doors, easy to get into. Really great handling. Got my Private in a Tampico, Instrument in a Tobago and complex in the Trinidad. That thing was just nice. Wasn’t all heavy and clumsy like a Saratoga. Very stable. First plane I flew with a glass cockpit. Really fantastic visibily due to the big canopy doors and massive windshield. You could even get prop anti ice which was almost unheard of back then. This was way the hell back in the 1990’s.

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Re: Which Plane Would You Buy?

Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:21 pm

For the sub 100k range, recreational use GA I'd be getting a kit.

For in the 200k range, I'd be looking at a Mooney. I just like their look and performance. As someone in Kansas this plane can get me to just about anywhere I need to go on one tank.

In the 2 million range you might consider the new Cirrus SF50 Vision Jet which is pretty awesome and can fit 4 adults + 1 child. Though, if you have that much to throw around you might be looking at a Citation Mustang (but your maintenance costs go up).

In the 10 million range you can start looking at some of the upper tier Citations. 2010+ years Citation X go for 8-11 million right now.

20 million and you can get yourself a Citation longitude. It's weird that there really isn't much to discuss in this cost range honestly.

On the high end you start looking at G650 vs Global 6000. Or maybe you want to go the BBJ route and limit your airport options.

For me, I'm thinking Mooney. It serves my needs in the right price range.
 
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Re: Which Plane Would You Buy?

Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:39 pm

Oh, so many to choose from!

Maybe first and foremost, a P-51. :)

But I remember falling in love with the Lockheed Electra 12A Junior years ago and vowed that if I ever had the means, that would be my show pony.
 
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Re: Which Plane Would You Buy?

Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:54 pm

Redd wrote:
Lately, I've been watching Trent Palmer's channel and have become very interested in bush type flying and I'm seriously falling for the Kit Fox with big bush tires. Being able to land just about anywhere I please.....

I like watching his flying vlogs as well, usually great footage. Unfortunately my country kinda sucks when it comes to aviation and off-airport landings (everything is so difficult and strict), but otherwise being able to own and fly a plane like he does would be awesome.

Otherwise, I'll take a P-51, SF50, BE35 or GLF6 any day. Oh, and while the Kitfox is cool, how about owning a Draco? :drool:
 
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Re: Which Plane Would You Buy?

Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:20 pm

Keep in mind avgas in Europe is 10$/gallon or more, so aircraft with big 6 cylinder engines will cost a lot just in gas.
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Re: Which Plane Would You Buy?

Wed Jul 10, 2019 6:47 pm

I would use an MD-11F (hopefully I can source one), convert it to a VIP plane, and add a $hit ton of aux fuel capacity to fly 10000+ nmi legs.

And a VIP A340-313X for domestic 500 nmi+ routes.

And hopefully they can make a Dash 7 NextGen, which I would use on short flights.
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Re: Which Plane Would You Buy?

Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:06 pm

Mustang P-51...and if'n I was rich enough to buy one, I could afford the gas..
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Re: Which Plane Would You Buy?

Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:10 pm

Win the lottery, second call is to buy a new Global 7500. Goes anywhere, flies for 16 hours (too long, IMO) and is reasonable to operate. LCY to LAX, yup. Fly to my chalet in Gstaad, yup, just proved it the other day. Tortola for the beach, just taxi in and grab a bike. Want to make a quick trip to CRQ to see brother, done in an hour’s notice. I can fly it, too based on a couple thousand Global 6000 hours.

Maybe a Citabria for fun or a Cessna on floats.

Try operating a MD-11- few airports can take you; maintenance hog, crewing would be difficult to impossible.

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Re: Which Plane Would You Buy?

Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:51 am

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Try operating a MD-11- few airports can take you

Because it's a 300-seat plane?
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Re: Which Plane Would You Buy?

Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:32 am

No, because it’s huge. Try flying into Scottsdale with a 300-seat airplane or Klagenfurt or Santos Dumont or Bora Bora or Queenstown, NZ or Teterboro, NJ. All places used by private jets. It’s an airliner, not a private jet. The BBJ isn’t all that popular due to the restrictions and cost of ground handling.

A MD-11 would be like the late Paul Allen’s megayacht, unwelcome at the toniest harbors and relegated to the cargo or cruise terminals.
 
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Re: Which Plane Would You Buy?

Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:42 pm

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
No, because it’s huge.

And the 777, and the A330, and the A350.
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Re: Which Plane Would You Buy?

Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:08 pm

Fine, if you want to go to only major airports, park in cargo if any is available , deal with limited slots or and pay a fortune, go big. I’ve been in the business and know or dealt with operators of airliners. All say, owners love the space, hate the details. Just look at the resale value of BBJs.

For personal travel, nothing beats a GLF or Global, flexible, operates anywhere, flies above airline traffic, anyone can do the ground handling. Just try to find a stair truck.
 
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Re: Which Plane Would You Buy?

Sat Jul 13, 2019 3:50 pm

If money wasn’t an issue, id do like the Donald and get a Boeing 757-200.
For small airports, a Pilatus PC-12. On a budget, probably a Cessna 182 or piper arrow.
Bush flying? A piper carbon cub with bush tires and skis for winter.

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