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American airlines 747sp seat- help me make it authentic

Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 11:22 pm
by wernerga3
So I just bought a very rare American airlines 747sp first class seat on eBay, and was hoping to make it a part of my home.

Was hoping the ones with experience could chime in to help me make this authentic.

Any dinner menus for the flagship 747 sp? What did the blankets look like? The china? I want to try to recreate the experience and am looking for authentic guidance.

This was pushed by my pan am research and wanting a sheepskin single sleeper seat for my home. It took a while.

Re: American airlines 747sp seat- help me make it authentic

Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 11:45 pm
by LatinPlane
Congrats on the purchase. You should post a pic of the seats.


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https://www.star-telegram.com/news/business/aviation/sky-talk-blog/article70602257.html

Re: American airlines 747sp seat- help me make it authentic

Posted: Thu May 07, 2020 11:58 pm
by wernerga3
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It's one of the single seats. There were three on each sp. Two in the nose and one on the upper deck. 1J, 6A, 6J

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Not sure which Weber model it is but still waiting for it to be freight shipped and looking forward to seeing the service tag.

Re: American airlines 747sp seat- help me make it authentic

Posted: Fri May 08, 2020 12:13 am
by wernerga3
Would not mind finding the book, slippers, headphones, espresso cup from the promo pic
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Re: American airlines 747sp seat- help me make it authentic

Posted: Fri May 08, 2020 12:25 am
by airzona11
Such a cool project. I am looking for some business class seats for recliners. I am trying to piece together the early 80s United FC/Biz cutlery/cups/etc. Love you idea of recreating the seat map items.

Re: American airlines 747sp seat- help me make it authentic

Posted: Fri May 08, 2020 2:23 pm
by wernerga3
A shame this got moved the the hobby section since no one ever goes to this section.

Re: American airlines 747sp seat- help me make it authentic

Posted: Fri May 08, 2020 7:51 pm
by NYCAAer
31-year AA purser here. When the 747SP first flew for AA, it was used exclusively for DFW-NRT. The china in use at the time (1987-90) was by Syracuse, it was really heavy, and had a wide blue band with silver trim on the edges of the plates, bowls and cups. The silverware was by Oneida, and sort of old-fashioned looking, there are a few pieces that come up on eBay from time to time. Because it was used in the Japanese market, there were pieces that were completely unique to the “TIFS” flights, as they were called. TIFS being Tokyo International Flagship Service. Bento boxes, chopsticks, sake carafes and cups, ceramic tea pots with wicker handles for traditional Japanese tea, toothpicks, and probably more things I don’t remember. The linens used at the time were the same as used on domestic, in royal blue.

In 1990, AA upgraded its china, silverware, and linens. The china was designed by an architectural team called Gwathmey Siegel, and manufactured by Swid Powell. I remember that we had to go to an international service refresher course every year, and it was a big thing. It was an era when these things were important, and we took such pride back then. The first class china was white with silver trim, and the linens were midnight blue. I liked the business class china pattern better, it was blue and silver trim on white, and the linens were pale grey. The scissor eagle was at the top of the plates and on the sides of the coffee cups. They turn up on eBay as well.

I’ve always been based at JFK, and the SP’s were moved to New York for one year before being retired, to start the new Heathrow routes AA bought from TWA. The seats on the SP were unique in that the leather and sheepskin were royal blue, the same seats were used on all other long haul aircraft like the DC-10-30, 767-200 and -300, but they were tan in color. Congratulations on your purchase!

Re: American airlines 747sp seat- help me make it authentic

Posted: Fri May 08, 2020 7:56 pm
by NYCAAer
Oh, and I forgot, the blankets were tan in color, rather heavy, and made of a synthetic fiber that resembled wool, with the IFS logo in the center, which was the scissor eagle with stars on the sides. The pillow cases were white with the same International Flagship logo in grey. No duvets back then.

Re: American airlines 747sp seat- help me make it authentic

Posted: Fri May 08, 2020 9:20 pm
by wernerga3
NYCAAer wrote:
Oh, and I forgot, the blankets were tan in color, rather heavy, and made of a synthetic fiber that resembled wool, with the IFS logo in the center, which was the scissor eagle with stars on the sides. The pillow cases were white with the same International Flagship logo in grey. No duvets back then.

Thanks so much for this information! Do you happen to know the dimensions of the single sleeper seat? It looks about 36" wide.

Re: American airlines 747sp seat- help me make it authentic

Posted: Fri May 08, 2020 11:06 pm
by wernerga3

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Posted: Sat May 09, 2020 6:36 pm
by NYCAAer
I don’t remember the size of the seats, but they were quite wide, wider than the first class seats we have today on the 777-300.

Re: American airlines 747sp seat- help me make it authentic

Posted: Sat May 09, 2020 6:42 pm
by NYCAAer
wernerga3 wrote:


Yes, the larger blue menus are from IFS First Class, the smaller silver one is business class. Looking at the items served, and the languages they’re in, these were used for the European flights at the time. Any menu from that period that has sevruga caviar will be first class. Those were the days! I also forgot to mention, as it all comes back to me, the 747SP was also used briefly on JFK-BRU in the winter months of 1991-92, when the flights weren’t always daily. I think BRU was something like 4 days a week, and then one of the two daily flights that were flown by the 747SP to LHR was operated with a 763 or 762. It was a long time ago, hard to believe it has been 29 years!

Re: American airlines 747sp seat- help me make it authentic

Posted: Sat May 09, 2020 9:49 pm
by wernerga3
NYCAAer wrote:
wernerga3 wrote:


Yes, the larger blue menus are from IFS First Class, the smaller silver one is business class. Looking at the items served, and the languages they’re in, these were used for the European flights at the time. Any menu from that period that has sevruga caviar will be first class. Those were the days! I also forgot to mention, as it all comes back to me, the 747SP was also used briefly on JFK-BRU in the winter months of 1991-92, when the flights weren’t always daily. I think BRU was something like 4 days a week, and then one of the two daily flights that were flown by the 747SP to LHR was operated with a 763 or 762. It was a long time ago, hard to believe it has been 29 years!


If you could help me locate the correct menu, or even additional items, it would be most appreciated

Re: American airlines 747sp seat- help me make it authentic

Posted: Sun May 10, 2020 3:18 pm
by NYCAAer
The only place I would know is to keep checking eBay. The same menu covers were used for the Tokyo service, but of course the inside was completely different, there was a choice of Western meals or Japanese meals. When you enter a search in eBay, just put in something like “American Airlines Syracuse China,” or “American Airlines menu,” and things turn up. They’re not always what you’re looking for, you have to keep looking. I’m a collector of certain AA memorabilia and it’s always an ongoing process. It takes years. I never took anything off the plane, but I now have 2 full sets of the Swid Powell business class china from the early ‘90s. It took me a long time to find every piece. That was my favorite china that we’ve had.

Re: American airlines 747sp seat- help me make it authentic

Posted: Tue May 12, 2020 1:22 am
by wernerga3
NYCAAer wrote:
The only place I would know is to keep checking eBay. The same menu covers were used for the Tokyo service, but of course the inside was completely different, there was a choice of Western meals or Japanese meals. When you enter a search in eBay, just put in something like “American Airlines Syracuse China,” or “American Airlines menu,” and things turn up. They’re not always what you’re looking for, you have to keep looking. I’m a collector of certain AA memorabilia and it’s always an ongoing process. It takes years. I never took anything off the plane, but I now have 2 full sets of the Swid Powell business class china from the early ‘90s. It took me a long time to find every piece. That was my favorite china that we’ve had.

Thanks for the info. There are a lot of IFS menus on ebay, but unfortunately none of them are the JIFS menus. These would appear to be near impossible to find, so I am going to keep my eye out. My plan is to recreate the menu and have it in the seat!

Re: American airlines 747sp seat- help me make it authentic

Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:25 pm
by wernerga3
I found some items on eBay just as an update. I got the period correct pillow cases, beige blanket and ifs socks (still wrapped).

Re: American airlines 747sp seat- help me make it authentic

Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:46 pm
by wernerga3
This is a rare photo of the AA 767-300 which had the same seat style but in beige. The DC10 had an additional tuft of labswool and was slightly different from this version.

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Re: American airlines 747sp seat- help me make it authentic

Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 4:45 pm
by wernerga3
For anyone interested, I am selling this sleeper seat with the accessories I procured. Once in a lifetime opportunity

https://www.ebay.com/itm/193646701771?s ... 1555.l2649

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Re: American airlines 747sp seat- help me make it authentic

Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:49 am
by HowardWow1997
And what didn't KOITO please you??
Practical classic
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