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Flow2706 wrote:I have flown an A320 from an 1830m
Runway. 2400km or so would be tight, but may be feasible with a reduced payload. It’s would probably be a flap 3 takeoff. Landing on these short runways can be challenging as well, but it’s doable if you don’t float. A ‘trick’ that is sometimes used if the performance is still insufficient after trying to reduce payload, fuel (reduced contingency fuel, possibly dispatching without and alternate if weather at destination permits...) etc. may be to calculate the minimum headwind component required to legally takeoff. If it’s only 2-3kts of wind that are missing, it may be worth taxiing to the holding point and wait for the wind to change (not sure if you have a real performance calculation software, but that’s how we could do it on the real airplane...Flysmart is quite good)
ryan78 wrote:Flow2706 wrote:I have flown an A320 from an 1830m
Runway. 2400km or so would be tight, but may be feasible with a reduced payload. It’s would probably be a flap 3 takeoff. Landing on these short runways can be challenging as well, but it’s doable if you don’t float. A ‘trick’ that is sometimes used if the performance is still insufficient after trying to reduce payload, fuel (reduced contingency fuel, possibly dispatching without and alternate if weather at destination permits...) etc. may be to calculate the minimum headwind component required to legally takeoff. If it’s only 2-3kts of wind that are missing, it may be worth taxiing to the holding point and wait for the wind to change (not sure if you have a real performance calculation software, but that’s how we could do it on the real airplane...Flysmart is quite good)
Awesome, thanks for the insight. I figured the A320 would be tight getting out but the A319 does have better performance so it's probably the better bet for that runway. My backup theory would be to make the short hop from Las Brujas (BWW) to Cayo Coco (CCC) aboud 40 odd NM away, and stop in for a quick refuel and takeoff from there. I'd imagine an A321 would even be able to manage the 40nm jump from BWW to CCC.
N1120A wrote:AA flies weight restricted A321s on LIH-LAX, so there's that.
United did SNA-IAD with an A319 at one point
ryan78 wrote:Hi all, sort of a shot in the dark here. Looking to confirm what I think is possible for some MSFS2020 flights. I'm looking to see if its possible for an A319 or A320 to operate a 2400-2600km sector departing from an 1803m long runway, at sea level, with no terrain in the vicinity and temps around 25-30 degrees Celcius. Both single class 144 and 180 pax config. The A319 has a published takeoff roll at MTOW of 1850m and the A320's is 2100m. I'm assuming both aircraft would be nowhere near MTOW for only a 24-2600km journey, they both have a range well over 6000km. So I'm assuming it is theoretically possible without blocking off seats, at least for the A319. A320 might be stretching it a bit in my eyes. I just wanted to ask if someone with some flight planning background/software can confirm my reasonings, looking to keep things as real as possible in the sim. Routing is BWW-YYZ & BWW-YUL.
phatfarmlines wrote:I take it you've already tried this in FS2020 with the default A320NEO?. If trying to compare to real life ops, you're likely not taking into account rejected takeoff speed in relation to how much runway you have remaining, which may be a problem.
T54A wrote:Our A319’s have a MTOW of 70t. Using your figures, you should be able to go at about 63t with no wind, 30deg and QNH 1013. That will be nearly full pax for such a short trip. I used FlySmart out of FAEL which is sea level and Rwy 24 is 1585m.
ryan78 wrote:phatfarmlines wrote:I take it you've already tried this in FS2020 with the default A320NEO?. If trying to compare to real life ops, you're likely not taking into account rejected takeoff speed in relation to how much runway you have remaining, which may be a problem.
That is precisley why I asked on here. The aircraft can make it out of the runway with no issues but I wanted to confirm if it would be legal from a real life standpoint once you factor in RTO calculations and such.T54A wrote:Our A319’s have a MTOW of 70t. Using your figures, you should be able to go at about 63t with no wind, 30deg and QNH 1013. That will be nearly full pax for such a short trip. I used FlySmart out of FAEL which is sea level and Rwy 24 is 1585m.
Sounds like it is do-able then with the A319. Thanks for the information!
Woodreau wrote:We operate out of SNA - a 1738m runway - with 319/320 aircraft. We are prohibited from using 321 aircraft.
In both 319/320 aircraft, takeoff is TOGA flaps 3 packs on.
But we don’t fly 2400km. It’s only a short hop of 500-600km. Fuel load is around 10000lbs. So even with a payload of 182 pax we’re looking at a TOW of 142-145,000lbs. So below the 320 Max landing weight limit of 145,000lbs.
tb727 wrote:Woodreau wrote:We operate out of SNA - a 1738m runway - with 319/320 aircraft. We are prohibited from using 321 aircraft.
In both 319/320 aircraft, takeoff is TOGA flaps 3 packs on.
But we don’t fly 2400km. It’s only a short hop of 500-600km. Fuel load is around 10000lbs. So even with a payload of 182 pax we’re looking at a TOW of 142-145,000lbs. So below the 320 Max landing weight limit of 145,000lbs.
With 5-9 pax when I was doing it last month, I could have gone pretty far
Woodreau wrote:tb727 wrote:Woodreau wrote:We operate out of SNA - a 1738m runway - with 319/320 aircraft. We are prohibited from using 321 aircraft.
In both 319/320 aircraft, takeoff is TOGA flaps 3 packs on.
But we don’t fly 2400km. It’s only a short hop of 500-600km. Fuel load is around 10000lbs. So even with a payload of 182 pax we’re looking at a TOW of 142-145,000lbs. So below the 320 Max landing weight limit of 145,000lbs.
With 5-9 pax when I was doing it last month, I could have gone pretty far
I hit the pitch limit of 30 degrees flying v2+10 after thrust reduction to 3056ft and pegged the ivsi at 6000+FPM in the climb until accel alt.
AndrewJM70 wrote:Slightly off topic but has anyone noticed that the A320 in MSFS2020 does not reach full power on a TOGA setting since the 22nd December update? I am sure I am not imagining it but it seems more sluggish.