navymmw
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Pmdg Help! HOW To Enter Pacific Nats Into FMC!

Sun Jun 17, 2007 10:36 am

How do I enter GAPP3 SFO ALCOA BUTEN BOSKE 4000N 14000W
4300N 15000W 4600N 16000W 4600N 17000W
4500N 18000E 4400N 17000E 4200N 16000E
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OTR20 LIBRA into the FMC? Also is this a good roure for a flight from KSFO-RJAA?
 
Mir
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RE: Pmdg Help! HOW To Enter Pacific Nats Into FMC!

Sun Jun 17, 2007 12:11 pm

I assume this is the 747-400 you're talking about. I'd just enter each point as you did above, though since I don't have that plane, I'm not sure how you enter the lat/lon coordinates.

Quoting Navymmw (Thread starter):
Also is this a good roure for a flight from KSFO-RJAA?

This website should teach you what you need to figure out what the tracks are: http://csgm.org/kzak/tutor/pacots_tutorial.htm . If you fly them, it's a good route. Or you look up the flights on Flightaware and copy their route.

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RE: Pmdg Help! HOW To Enter Pacific Nats Into FMC!

Sun Jun 17, 2007 2:23 pm

there are no NAT tracks in the Pacific.
Would be rather difficult as the very name NAT stands for North Atlantic Track.

And yes, you just enter each point in turn, just as you would with a NAT.
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RE: Pmdg Help! HOW To Enter Pacific Nats Into FMC!

Mon Jun 18, 2007 1:30 am

I can't verify this as I only have FSX installed so my PMDG 747 is in the drawer doing nothing, but my take is this:

Quoting Navymmw (Thread starter):
4000N 14000W

Since you're dealing with whole numbers of degrees, that could be entered as:

N40W140

Quoting Navymmw (Thread starter):
4200N 16000E

Similarly, that would be entered as:

N42E160

If you need to include minutes, the format is:

Nxxxx.xWxxxxx.x (note the extra digit in the longitude field), e.g. N4625.6E00520.7
 
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RE: Pmdg Help! HOW To Enter Pacific Nats Into FMC!

Mon Jun 18, 2007 8:27 am

thankyou, I will try this out.
 
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RE: Pmdg Help! HOW To Enter Pacific Nats Into FMC!

Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:14 am

For Lat/Long waypoints you simply put in the RTE page the coordinates in a format like this NXXXXX/EXXXXXX / SXXXXX/WXXXXXX. Put it in the right hand column of the RTE page and it will bring it up as a DCT to point.

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RE: Pmdg Help! HOW To Enter Pacific Nats Into FMC!

Mon Jun 18, 2007 6:54 pm

Quoting Ryanair737 (Reply 5):
you simply put in the RTE page the coordinates in a format like this NXXXXX/EXXXXXX / SXXXXX/WXXXXXX

I seem to recall having to omit the "/" characters, even though the manual includes them. Perhaps it depends on whether you enter them into the Route page or the Legs page. I'll have to take your word for it as I can't confirm/deny it until I can get my hands on the FSX version.  Sad

In any case, in the thread starter's case, the shorter version can be used.
 
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RE: Pmdg Help! HOW To Enter Pacific Nats Into FMC!

Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:16 pm

Quoting David L (Reply 6):
I seem to recall having to omit the "/" characters, even though the manual includes them.

Yeah sorry that is correct, I just put the / in to illustrate the difference between the N/E and S/W coordinates. Yes they should be written with no / in the middle! The more common way is that you enter them into the Route page, you can though as the manual states enter them into the Legs page also if you want to do it that way.

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RE: Pmdg Help! HOW To Enter Pacific Nats Into FMC!

Mon Jun 18, 2007 10:52 pm

Quoting Ryanair737 (Reply 7):
Yeah sorry that is correct, I just put the / in to illustrate the difference between the N/E and S/W coordinates

As I said, that's the way it's printed in the manual and they have less of an excuse.  Smile
 
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RE: Pmdg Help! HOW To Enter Pacific Nats Into FMC!

Wed Jun 20, 2007 2:40 am

Um... some feedback would be appreciated.  Smile
 
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RE: Pmdg Help! HOW To Enter Pacific Nats Into FMC!

Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:21 pm

To the best of my knowledge there is only one way to enter the LAT/LONG coordinate in PMDG MD-11

eg: If its 53N 050W. You need to type in the FMS like this N5300.0W05000.0. Then enter.

The main thing here is the format.. N should have 4 values before its decimal place and W should have 5 values before the decimal place and with no space in between . Try this .. It will surely work..

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RE: Pmdg Help! HOW To Enter Pacific Nats Into FMC!

Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:25 pm

And sorry I forgot to mention. You need to put this "/" without quotes in between
N5300.0/W05000.0

Now it should work.


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RE: Pmdg Help! HOW To Enter Pacific Nats Into FMC!

Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:09 pm



Quoting Santhosh (Reply 10):

You know this thread is over two years old, right?  Smile
 
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RE: Pmdg Help! HOW To Enter Pacific Nats Into FMC!

Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:25 am



Quoting Santhosh (Reply 10):

I can't vouch for the MD-11, but on the 747 and 737 the tracks are written as mentioned previously:

N45W60
S33W123

etc...

No decimals are needed. One thing I have noticed is that format has to be keyed in on the Legs page, it won't work on the Route page.

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RE: Pmdg Help! HOW To Enter Pacific Nats Into FMC!

Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:59 pm



Quoting David L (Reply 12):
You know this thread is over two years old, right?

You are right. Anyway lemme tell you something.... It was quite recently that I installed the PMDG MD-11 and I was stuck at a point where I couldn’t enter those coordinates for NAT's for a transatlantic flight. So I made a quick search in Google and this thread popped up. Even thought it didn’t give an instant answer at least it made me think slightly different and try a few new things to get it right... Now that I have tried it myself and got a positive result just wanted to share.. You never know, it could be useful for someone else who’s stuck with the same problem. Even if someone else is trying for the same answer 5 years later…. Now this thread is fully helpful….  Smile


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RE: Pmdg Help! HOW To Enter Pacific Nats Into FMC!

Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:10 pm



Quoting Santhosh (Reply 14):

No problem - just checking.  Smile
 
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RE: Pmdg Help! HOW To Enter Pacific Nats Into FMC!

Tue Nov 17, 2009 12:02 am

Hi

If you go to the website below - its updated twice a day with the official NATracks that are being used (for the Atlantic)...

https://www.notams.jcs.mil/common/nat.html

I take a daily record of the tracks as I tend to run a month behind 'real world time'...

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RE: Pmdg Help! HOW To Enter Pacific Nats Into FMC!

Fri Nov 20, 2009 9:46 pm



Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 13):
I can't vouch for the MD-11, but on the 747 and 737 the tracks are written as mentioned previously:

N45W60
S33W123

I use all three versions of the jet PMDG aircraft, PMDG B737NG & B744 in FS9 and B744 & Boeing MD11 in FSX...

Here is a NATrack that was in use on 25th October 2009-11-20

Track C
DOGAL 54/20 53/30 51/40 48/50 NOVEP YYT
East lvls 320 330 340 350 360 370 380 390 400
West lvls NIL
EUR RTS EAST NIL
NAR N109 N113B N115B-

Now with PMDG’s the FMS (flight management system) uses a database with has is a copy of the real world database of all navigation points (VOR/NDB etc) and ‘waypoints’.

Over the Atlantic there are 100’s of waypoints, which are used for NATrack crossings – for example, you can see above after DOGAL (the start of NATrack C for Charlie) you have the navigation point 54/20 – now this in fact is entered into PMDG’s FMS system as 5420N. The next waypoint is 53/30 – which of course is entered as 5330N.

You can see the altitudes available below the NATrack route, in this case FL320 thru FL400 west bound and no altitudes available travelling east bound (this is entered to remind pilots they can’t use this NATrack to fly east bound.

It’s extremely important to use the most up to date NATrack information when flying on line (Vatsim etc) – if you don’t you will get told off my other on line pilots and if ATC is on line or comes on line they will soon kick you off line if you have not entered an active NATrack on your flight plan and you’re not flying it to the letter (or degree)...

I must admit I still plan my flights via ‘FSNavigator’ which I update every month along with all my aircraft FMS with data from Navigraph (http://www.navigraph.com/www/default.asp). Using Navigraph means PMDG’s SID/STAR information is also upgraded/updated... Navigraph also have an amazing system called ‘Navigraph nDAC 3’ – a programme which allows you to download and upgrade SID/STAR charts and includes ‘en-route charts’ (those highways in the skies, along with their waypoints/navigational aids and official names). Many people don’t both using the system on FS9 and FSX, which is a real shame as real world airlines do!

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