MD-11 Pax Routes Question

Cadet985 · Fri Feb 26, 2016 6:20 am

Note: Mods, please feel free to move this to another forum if you feel it belongs there.

So I started flying the MD-11 on FSX. I'm not going to post specific questions about flying the aircraft here except for this.

What are some passenger routes the MD-11 would have flown on?

Before you tell me something like "It's a game, fly it wherever you want...," I try to play/use FSX as realistically as I can, down to weather conditions and all. I know that KLM used it from AMS-North America. Might it have been used on routes like say PHL-MCO (like the L1011), or the brief time LY used it, JFK-TLV?

Cargo flights...I can grab those off of FR24.

Also...if anyone reading this is/was an MD-11 crew member, I'd love to talk to you.

Thanks in advance,

Marc

BreninTW · Fri Feb 26, 2016 6:33 am

In February 1997 I flew on MH from JNB to KUL on an MD-11. I believe it was leased from World, but it was painted in the full MH livery.

EDIT: The flight had started in EZE and was routed EZE - CPT - JNB - KUL. The aircraft went tech in JNB and we were delayed 31 hours.

[Edited 2016-02-25 22:34:40]

LH707330 · Fri Feb 26, 2016 6:35 am

1. Look up airline users and where their hubs are/were
2. Look through the DB for pictures of that airline's MD-11s at other airports
3. Fly from the hubs to those airports.

hoons90 · Fri Feb 26, 2016 6:57 am

Incomplete list, but this should give you a few options

Delta:

ATL-NRT
ATL-PDX
ATL-MCO
ATL-DUB-SNN-ATL
ATL-LGW
ATL-CDG
ATL-ZRH
ATL-GRU
ATL-FRA
CVG-LGW
LAX-PDX
LAX-HKG
JFK-CAI-DXB
PDX-NRT
PDX-NGO
PDX-FUK
PDX-SEL-TPE-BKK

Swissair

ZRH-NRT
ZRH-KIX
ZRH-SEL
ZRH-BKK-SIN
ZRH-HKG-MNL
ZRH-DEL
ZRH-JNB
ZRH-CPT
ZRH-LAX
ZRH-ORD
ZRH-YUL
ZRH-MIA
ZRH-JFK
GVA-JFK

KLM

AMS-SXM-CUR-AMS
AMS-YUL
AMS-YYZ
AMS-YVR
AMS-SFO
AMS-MIA
AMS-MEM
AMS-PTY
AMS-UIO-GYE-AMS
AMS-BON-LIM
AMS-IKA
AMS-DEL
AMS-CTS-NGO

Finnair

HEL-NRT
HEL-KIX
HEL-NGO
HEL-PEK
HEL-HKG
HEL-SIN
HEL-BKK
HEL-DEL
HEL-CAN
HEL-JFK
HEL-YYZ
HEL-TFN
HEL-LPA

Korean Air

SEL-NRT
SEL-KIX
SEL-HKG
SEL-LAX
SEL-LAX-GRU
SEL-SYD
SEL-HNL
SEL-CHC

Japan Airlines

NRT-SEL
NRT-ICN
NRT-PUS
NRT-HKG
NRT-PEK
NRT-PVG
NRT-MNL
NRT-KUL
NRT-SIN
NRT-DEL
NRT-ZRH
NRT-AMS
NRT-DFW-ATL
KIX-ICN
KIX-PVG
KIX-SIN
KIX-FRA
NGO-LAX
NGO-LHR

VARIG

GRU-LAX-NRT
GRU-LAX-NGO
GRU-LHR-CPH
GRU-CDG-AMS
GRU-JNB-BKK-HKG
GRU-MEX
GRU-MIA
GRU-GIG
GRU-POA

AA737-823 · Fri Feb 26, 2016 7:06 am

I once flew one MCO-DFW on AA....

AMIKI · Fri Feb 26, 2016 7:46 am

to ad some more SR routes (not complete...)
Africa:
ZRH - CAI
ZRH - DLA - LBV
ZRH - SSG - DLA
ZRH - NBO - DAR
ZRH - NSI - FIH

Asia:
ZRH - BOM
ZRH - THR
ZRH - BKK - TPE
ZRH - SIN - SGN

Americas:
ZRH - SFO
ZRH - GIG - EZE
ZRH - GIG - GRU
ZRH - GRU - EZE
ZRH - GRU - SCL

Europe (for Crossair in summer):
ZRH - PMI

col · Fri Feb 26, 2016 7:49 am

From memory MD11 flights have used:

ATL-MAN - DL
SIN-TPE - BR
BKK-HKG -TG
HKG-TPE - CI

There are others, but I have slept since then, so forgot.

Megatop747-412 · Fri Feb 26, 2016 7:54 am

Quoting AMIKI (Reply 5):

to ad some more SR routes (not complete...)
Africa:
ZRH - CAI
ZRH - DLA - LBV
ZRH - SSG - DLA
ZRH - NBO - DAR
ZRH - NSI - FIH

Asia:
ZRH - BOM
ZRH - THR
ZRH - BKK - TPE
ZRH - SIN - SGN

Didn't realise that SR did a SIN-SGN leg on the MD-11. In fact I didn't even realise that SR had a SIN-SGN leg at all... If so, any ideas when did they do that?

BrusselsSouth · Fri Feb 26, 2016 8:01 am

Back in 2012, I deliberately went out of my way from Washington back to BRU, just to log the KL MD-11 on MIA-AMS.

Regards,
BrusselsSouth

AMIKI · Fri Feb 26, 2016 8:08 am

Quoting BrusselsSouth (Reply 8):
Didn't realise that SR did a SIN-SGN leg on the MD-11. In fact I didn't even realise that SR had a SIN-SGN leg at all... If so, any ideas when did they do that?

The did SIN-SGN in summer 2000

cedarjet · Fri Feb 26, 2016 8:17 am

I flew on China Air Lines AMS-BKK-TPE in 1994. That was a major route for CI's MD-11s.

VirginFlyer · Fri Feb 26, 2016 8:25 am

Thai flew them on the BKK-BNE-AKL route (my only MD-11 flight was AKL-BNE). I'm pretty sure they also flew on BKK-SYD (but I don't believe on the BKK-SYD-AKL, certainly not post 2001).

V/F

Flighty · Fri Feb 26, 2016 8:25 am

Personally I would use FS to fly the MD-11 on something like LCY to ASE to a Russian aircraft carrier

lapper · Fri Feb 26, 2016 8:29 am

GA flew DPS-BKK-AUH-LGW

RWA380 · Fri Feb 26, 2016 8:34 am

Quoting hoons90 (Reply 3):
ATL-NRT
ATL-PDX
ATL-MCO
ATL-DUB-SNN-ATL
ATL-LGW
ATL-CDG
ATL-ZRH
ATL-GRU
ATL-FRA
CVG-LGW
LAX-PDX
LAX-HKG
JFK-CAI-DXB
PDX-NRT
PDX-NGO
PDX-FUK
PDX-SEL-TPE-BKK

You may add PDX-CVG as the tag off of NGO-PDX, a very civilized way of heading east via a small hub with very easy connections. I used to fly to ORD to see the in-laws & take the DL M11 to CVG, then a 757 from CVG to ORD.

Quoting hoons90 (Reply 3):
AMS-SXM-CUR-AMS
AMS-YUL
AMS-YYZ
AMS-YVR
AMS-SFO
AMS-MIA
AMS-MEM
AMS-PTY
AMS-UIO-GYE-AMS
AMS-BON-LIM
AMS-IKA
AMS-DEL
AMS-CTS-NGO

AMS-JRO-DAR-AMS has been an M11 for many years.

TG used to operate an MD-11 BKK-TPE-SEA-YYZ. I got to fly a brand new shiny TG bird SEA-YYZ-SEA in their very impressive J class, both directions. a real treat in 1991.

gabo787 · Fri Feb 26, 2016 9:00 am

In 2003 I flew MIA - GRU in a Varig MD11. Great bird, not the cleanest one inside though.

Zombus · Fri Feb 26, 2016 9:18 am

Three more, both from own experience in the mid to late nineties:

KL AMS-CCS-BON vv
MP AMS-HER vv

I always assumed the Martinair MD-11 deployment to HER wasn't structural and destinations in the Caribbean were more regular destinations. Back in the nineties there were a couple more holiday and charter airlines operating MD-11's to various resort destinations within Europe and further afield. Think Citybird, LTU, Monarch. I'm sure someone else can elaborate..

COPolynesianPub · Fri Feb 26, 2016 9:30 am

I flew as a nonrev on Philippine Airlines MD11 on the HNLSFO sector. The flight had arrived nonstop from MNL.
I believe it was leased from World Airways with PR flight attendants and WO cockpit crew.

readytotaxi · Fri Feb 26, 2016 9:57 am

I did KLM AMS-AUA in J using up all my NW mileage, great trip.

terminalc · Fri Feb 26, 2016 10:24 am

BR TPE-SGN, perhaps TPE-SEA for a while.

VC10er · Fri Feb 26, 2016 11:22 am

VARIG used to fly them domestically also, bouncing from city to city, a few times I flew from GRU to Manaus RT. Beat the hell out of an RG 737, or worse TAM.

Now that I mention it, TAM had a handful of MD-11's, which may have come from VASP, then inherited some from the failing VARIG (RIP). VASP used them from GRU to EWR, I don't know where else. Pluna of Uruguay had 2 I believe that went back and forth from Montevideo and Madrid if memory serves!

ItsMike · Fri Feb 26, 2016 11:56 am

Garuda used to fly them PER-DPS-CGK

MAN2SIN2BKK · Fri Feb 26, 2016 12:36 pm

I flew MD11s MAN-ORD-MAN on AA in 1992 and SIN-BKK in 1998 on TG

777way · Fri Feb 26, 2016 12:44 pm

KLM flew them to Karachi too not sure if via Dubai, apparently Swissair also flew them thete for a while.

Swissair also used them to Jakarta.

Swiss International used them to Tehran and Cairo.

Quoting Lapper (Reply 13):

GA flew DPS-BKK-AUH-LGW

Also Batam-Jakarta-Bangkok-Amman-Gatwick in late 1990s.

Flyer732 · Fri Feb 26, 2016 4:20 pm

If you can imagine a destination the MD-11 would fit into, chances are World did it. From vacation charters to US Government to foreign government, they did it all, and put good use to the phrase "been there, done that, got the t-shirt"

MEA-707 · Fri Feb 26, 2016 4:36 pm

Regular flights I once took but not mentioned above
Thai: BKK-ZRH-AMS (there might have been another stop between BKK and ZRH, I only flew AMS-ZRH-AMS on them)
Martinair: AMS-LPA, AMS-FAO, AMS-PMI in tourist season

mayor · Fri Feb 26, 2016 4:42 pm

I flew non-rev on a DL MD-11 from ATH-ATL, non-stop, late 90s. Also PDX-LAX, about the same time frame.

spartanmjf · Fri Feb 26, 2016 5:13 pm

Lots of pictures in the database of Varig MD11 flights at FRA.....

shankly · Fri Feb 26, 2016 5:15 pm

Quoting hoons90 (Reply 3):
Finnair

Not on that list, in May 2004 flew AY HEL-PVG and PVG-HEL on OH-LGA and OH-LGD respectively. Seat 1A both ways...happy days!

[Edited 2016-02-26 09:40:23]

airzim · Fri Feb 26, 2016 5:15 pm

My experiences.

GA LAX-HNL-DPS-CGK
JL DEL-NRT
CI/Mandarin Airlines SFO-TPE
SR NRT-ZRH
AY JFK-HEL-JFK
AA DFW-NRT-DFW
MU HKG-SHA

LTU932 · Fri Feb 26, 2016 5:24 pm

The only route I remember flying on an MD-11 was LT DUS-MIA-SJO (that flight in 97 ended in ADZ). LT also flew DUS-FAO, as well as flights to LAX (on the TriStar 500 and then MD-11). Their MD-11s were later sold to SR, as they were replaced with the A330.

thaiaggie · Fri Feb 26, 2016 5:25 pm

I flew on:

DL: DMK-TPE-PDX, NRT-PDX, LAX-NRT
TG: DMK-GMP-LAX, DMK-ZRH, DMK-DAC
BR: DMK-VIE
JL: NRT-DFW
CI: DMK-TPE
AY: BKK-HEL

FLIHGH · Fri Feb 26, 2016 5:38 pm

Quoting hoons90 (Reply 3):

I did IAD-ATL on a DL MD11 as well.

Mortyman · Fri Feb 26, 2016 5:55 pm

Quoting hoons90 (Reply 3):
VARIG

GRU-LAX-NRT
GRU-LAX-NGO
GRU-LHR-CPH
GRU-CDG-AMS
GRU-JNB-BKK-HKG
GRU-MEX
GRU-MIA
GRU-GIG
GRU-POA

Frankfurt - Rio de Janeiro

TWAL1011 · Fri Feb 26, 2016 6:23 pm

AA
DFW-ORD
DFW-MIA
DFW-LGW
DFW-NRT
DFW-KIX
ORD-LHR
ORD-MAN
ORD-FRA
ORD-NRT
JFK-LHR
SJC-TPE
SJC-NRT
SEA-NRT
MIA-GRU

NYCAAer · Fri Feb 26, 2016 6:25 pm

Most of the routes at AA, I may be missing some-

DFW-ORY
DFW-LGW
DFW-NRT
DFW-MAD
DFW-FRA
DFW-KIX
DFW-MIA
JFK-ORY
JFK-LHR
JFK-SDQ
ORD-LHR
ORD-NRT
MIA-LHR
MIA-MAD
MIA-EZE
SJC-NRT
SEA-NRT

Some routes were only operated by the MD-11 for a few months and would switch back to the 763 or DC-10-30. AA wasn't too happy with the performance of the plane, we used to joke that they were going to paint them blue to match the ground equipment. Nicknames for the MD-11 were "The Scud," because you never knew where it would land, and my personal favorite, the MD-Lemon!

NYCAAer · Fri Feb 26, 2016 6:28 pm

TWAL1011, MIA-GRU and ORD-FRA were operated by 763s in the 90s, SJC-TPE started in 2001 and ended very quickly, and was flown by a 772.

chrisair · Fri Feb 26, 2016 6:31 pm

USAfrica Airways:

IAD-Sal, Cape Verde-Jo'burg/Cape Town.

A333MSPtoAMS · Fri Feb 26, 2016 6:35 pm

I flew MSP-AMS-MSP a number of times with KLM on an MD-11 when they flew to MSP.

commavia · Fri Feb 26, 2016 6:37 pm

Quoting TWAL1011 (Reply 34):
AA
SJC-TPE

SJC-TPE never operated with an MD11 - it was 777 from the start for its entire sub-6-month run.

Quoting NYCAAer (Reply 35):
Most of the routes at AA, I may be missing some-

A few others off the top of my head:

DFW-GRU
DFW-SCL (final AA MD11 route)

luftaom · Fri Feb 26, 2016 7:17 pm

BR operated TPE-BNE for a number of years

N776AU · Fri Feb 26, 2016 7:24 pm

Quoting hoons90 (Reply 3):
ATL-LGW

Quoting hoons90 (Reply 3):
ATL-FRA

Quoting hoons90 (Reply 3):
ATL-MCO

Man I've flown these routes all on 767-300s. I feel like I'm on the short end of the stick

PATristar · Fri Feb 26, 2016 8:47 pm

KLM flew AMS-GRU with MD-11 until 2004.

JJ flew them GRU - Milan and GRU - Frankfurt while waiting for the 777

ogre727 · Fri Feb 26, 2016 8:48 pm

Didnt Swissair fly for a short while to CCS? And with an MD11?

redhair · Fri Feb 26, 2016 9:11 pm

VASP used to fly until mid-2000 BCNSSA on Sat with their MD11
Good memories to see that biggie in BCN

CV990A · Fri Feb 26, 2016 9:21 pm

My only MD-11 flights were China Eastern PEK-SHA, and then DL CVG-LGW-CVG r/t.

Ethiopian also leased a World MD-11 one summer on the ADD-FCO-IAD flight.

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dc10srule · Fri Feb 26, 2016 9:25 pm

If your looking for a shorter MD-11 Route to fly in FSX:

VASP MD11 - YYZ to JFK - aircraft went on to GRU
Also recall a brief period of flights from YYZ to SSA then onto GRU (1X week) Not sure if the SSA flights also vent via JFK.

Watching a lightly fuelled MD-11 climb out from YYZ to JFK was quite the sight.
Similar to the Swiss MD-11 flying YYZ to YUL before going to ZRH. (There's another short route)

Miss the Mad Dog!

tomcat · Fri Feb 26, 2016 9:29 pm

I've flown JFK-MIA-JFK on AA MD-11 in September 1995. I believe that the flight JFK-MIA was the flight AA99.

OA412 · Fri Feb 26, 2016 11:25 pm

Quoting mayor (Reply 26):
I flew non-rev on a DL MD-11 from ATH-ATL, non-stop, late 90s. Also PDX-LAX, about the same time frame.

Correct. Summer 1999, DL flew both ATL-ATH and ATL-IST on the M11. ATH returned for one more summer, but IST did not return.

cheeken · Fri Feb 26, 2016 11:48 pm

Quoting hoons90 (Reply 3):
Finnair

HEL-NRT
HEL-KIX
HEL-NGO
HEL-PEK
HEL-HKG
HEL-SIN
HEL-BKK
HEL-DEL
HEL-CAN
HEL-JFK
HEL-YYZ
HEL-TFN
HEL-LPA

Just before I turned into an aviation enthusiast, I flew on Finnair's MD-11 SIN-BKK for a school trip, back in the days when they operated HEL-BKK-SIN. I was wondering why we were flying a european carrier on a SEA route....

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