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Canon EF 100-400 IS II &Tamron 150-600C Which is better

Sat Sep 10, 2016 8:55 am

Hi everyone,i am using Canon 70-200 f/4L USM IS and 5D Mark2 now.Recently i want to upgrade my lens i think it is too short for me to spot.And i have some choices now.One is Canon EF 100-400 IS II the other is Tamron 150-600 C.I would like know which one will the best choice for me.Hope can get some advice from you .Thank you for your valuable time!
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Re: Canon EF 100-400 IS II &Tamron 150-600C Which is better

Sat Sep 10, 2016 9:01 am

Well, a lot of this you must answer yourself.....

If you shoot mostly between 400 and 600mm, the 100-400 isn't going to be much use (not that the Tamron is likely to be a true 600mm lens). If, however, you shoot mostly between 200 and 400mm, I'd say the 100-400 would be the better option. I've no experience with either the Tamron or the version II 100-400, but I'd be willing to bet heavily that the Canon is optically superior.

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Re: Canon EF 100-400 IS II &Tamron 150-600C Which is better

Sat Sep 10, 2016 9:48 am

As said, it depends on what you shoot. Also you can wait a bit for new tamron V2.0 glass has some feedback, because V1.0 have a shitty stab (works for static shoots only).

JakTrax wrote:
Well, a lot of this you must answer yourself.....

I've no experience with either the Tamron or the version II 100-400, but I'd be willing to bet heavily that the Canon is optically superior.

Karl


Strange enough but optically tamron is almost perfect and comparable to L series of canon zooms.
 
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Re: Canon EF 100-400 IS II &Tamron 150-600C Which is better

Sat Sep 10, 2016 9:49 am

kulverstukas wrote:
As said, it depends on what you shoot. Also you can wait a bit for new tamron V2.0 glass has some feedback, because V1.0 have a shitty stab (works for static shoots only).

JakTrax wrote:
Well, a lot of this you must answer yourself.....

I've no experience with either the Tamron or the version II 100-400, but I'd be willing to bet heavily that the Canon is optically superior.

Karl


Strange enough but optically tamron is almost perfect and comparable to L series of canon zooms.


Ok thank you for your answer.
 
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Re: Canon EF 100-400 IS II &Tamron 150-600C Which is better

Sat Sep 10, 2016 9:52 pm

Interesting question. I have done some research last year and had the same question. Have you considered the Sigma 150-600 as well? There's a lot of info on YouTube, very interesting and good tests between the three. What I remember from it is that the 100-400II at 400 and cropped to equivalent of 600 has the same quality as the Sigma 150-600 at 600. If that is really true I would go for the Canon, also because it is lighter and has a shorter minimum focus distance. Unfortunately it's twice as expensive ...
 
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Re: Canon EF 100-400 IS II &Tamron 150-600C Which is better

Sun Sep 11, 2016 10:49 am

spompert wrote:
...100-400II at 400 and cropped to equivalent of 600 has the same quality as the Sigma 150-600 at 600. If that is really true I would go for the Canon...


There is no replacement for displacement, so you can't beat true 600 mm by cropped 400 - I mean if you shoot fighters at the distance.
 
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Re: Canon EF 100-400 IS II &Tamron 150-600C Which is better

Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:51 pm

kulverstukas wrote:
spompert wrote:
...100-400II at 400 and cropped to equivalent of 600 has the same quality as the Sigma 150-600 at 600. If that is really true I would go for the Canon...


There is no replacement for displacement, so you can't beat true 600 mm by cropped 400 - I mean if you shoot fighters at the distance.

Yes thanks, absolutely right! I can understand with objects far away that doesn`t fill the whole view the 600 mm is unbeatable. I wonder if the ground to air shots that are popular here on the site (planes at FL400) can be done with the 100-400II....I have seen some good ones with the Sigma/Tamron 150-600....
 
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Re: Canon EF 100-400 IS II &Tamron 150-600C Which is better

Sun Sep 11, 2016 3:53 pm

You can get decent contrail shots with the 100-400 I m, but it invilves a bit of luck as well. I assume this will be the same for the MkII.

As for which lens to choose, I fully second what Jaktrax posted.
 
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Re: Canon EF 100-400 IS II &Tamron 150-600C Which is better

Sun Sep 11, 2016 4:47 pm

kulverstukas wrote:
optically tamron is almost perfect and comparable to L series of canon zooms.


Comparable perhaps, but I doubt equal to. If the Tamron was on the same level, I dare say Canon wouldn't sell any 100-400 II lenses. Still, if you shoot mostly at around the 500mm mark, the Tamron's probably going to be the better option. Just bear in mind that Tamoron's claim of 600mm is likely going to be closer to around 500mm.

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Re: Canon EF 100-400 IS II &Tamron 150-600C Which is better

Sun Sep 11, 2016 5:38 pm

kulverstukas wrote:
spompert wrote:
...100-400II at 400 and cropped to equivalent of 600 has the same quality as the Sigma 150-600 at 600. If that is really true I would go for the Canon...


There is no replacement for displacement, so you can't beat true 600 mm by cropped 400 - I mean if you shoot fighters at the distance.


Sure you can. My 70-200 F4L has better quality cropped in than my 70-300 IS USM uncropped.

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If the Tamron was on the same level, I dare say Canon wouldn't sell any 100-400 II lenses.


Maybe they'd sell slightly fewer lenses. Brand loyalty definitely comes into play, as well as owning all Canon stuff instead of mixing and matching. That doesn't apply to everyone, but I think it probably affects a significant percentage of people.

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Just bear in mind that Tamoron's claim of 600mm is likely going to be closer to around 500mm.


Why is that?
 
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Re: Canon EF 100-400 IS II &Tamron 150-600C Which is better

Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:29 pm

vikkyvik wrote:

JakTrax wrote:
Just bear in mind that Tamoron's claim of 600mm is likely going to be closer to around 500mm.


Why is that?


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If I make the dangerous (but likely at least close to correct) assumption that the Canon EF 600mm f/4 L IS II USM Lens is a true 600mm lens, I can use its angle of view to compare it to the 150-600's angle of view at 600mm. On a full frame body, the 600 L IS II properly frames a 23.62 x 15.75" (600 x 400mm) target at 33.92' (10.34mm) while the Tamron (at 600mm) frames the same target at a modestly shorter distance of 32.23' (9.83m). The fractional multiplier created from those two distances would indicate that the Tamron's longest focal length is more like a 570mm lens (95% of 600mm).


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Again the 150-600mm stands up well in comparison to its closest competitor, the Sigma 150-500mm F5-6.3 DG OS HSM. The Sigma looks a little sharper at the shorter end, but the Tamron wins out at full telephoto; crucially it's as sharp at 600mm as the Sigma is at 500mm. The price you pay for this is higher pincushion distortion, though. The Tamron avoids the Sigma's slightly-troublesome vignetting characteristics at 150mm.

Compared to the venerable Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS USM, the Tamron is simply sharper wide open through the entire shared zoom range, and of course usefully longer. Impressively, it's also a match for Nikon's pricey AF-S Nikkor 80-400mm f/4.5-5.6G ED VR in terms of sharpness, although the latter shows lower CA. It's a similar story with the Sony 70-400mm F4-5.6 G SSM II; the Tamron's extended range comes with no significant image quality penalty at all.
 
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Re: Canon EF 100-400 IS II &Tamron 150-600C Which is better

Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:26 pm

I was wondering if the Canon 100-400II with extender at around 600mm would have the same sharpness and image quality as the Sigma or Tamron 150-600 at 600 mm. Anyone knows? If they are similar that would be a good alternative perhaps for the 400-600 range as I think the Canon is better in the 100-400 range than the Sigma/Tamron (for what I have heard and read ofcourse)....
 
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Re: Canon EF 100-400 IS II &Tamron 150-600C Which is better

Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:03 pm

spompert wrote:
I was wondering if the Canon 100-400II with extender at around 600mm would have the same sharpness and image quality as the Sigma or Tamron 150-600 at 600 mm. Anyone knows?


My 100-400 Mk1 works pretty well with my 1.4x on my 5D2, but beware that you lose autofocus.
 
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Re: Canon EF 100-400 IS II &Tamron 150-600C Which is better

Tue Sep 13, 2016 3:55 am

I have just purchased the canon 6d mk ii and 100-400 L IS mk ii after much research. There is no doubt in my mind that this combination gets the thumbs up from most of the photo community for wildlife/sports/aircraft photography. So far I have been amazed by the results. So I don't think you will be at all disappointed with the 100-400mm L IS mk ii.
 
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Re: Canon EF 100-400 IS II &Tamron 150-600C Which is better

Tue Sep 13, 2016 2:27 pm

steveinbc wrote:
I have just purchased the canon 6d mk ii


Surely you mean 7D II? A 6D II hasn't even been announced yet.....

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Re: Canon EF 100-400 IS II &Tamron 150-600C Which is better

Tue Sep 13, 2016 2:32 pm

steveinbc wrote:
6d mk ii


Didn't know this existed.

Edit: Sorry Karl, didn't see your post.
 
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Re: Canon EF 100-400 IS II &Tamron 150-600C Which is better

Tue Sep 13, 2016 2:33 pm

airkas1 wrote:
You can get decent contrail shots with the 100-400 I m, but it involves a bit of luck as well. I assume this will be the same for the MkII.

Do you have examples of contrail shots taken with the 100-400 (I or II) with or without 1.4x? It`s quite hard to find them in the search engine. Unfortunately there is no separate category for contrail shots.
 
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Re: Canon EF 100-400 IS II &Tamron 150-600C Which is better

Tue Sep 13, 2016 6:23 pm

spompert wrote:
Do you have examples of contrail shots taken with the 100-400 (I or II) with or without 1.4x? It`s quite hard to find them in the search engine. Unfortunately there is no separate category for contrail shots.

Sure!

This one was with a 1.4x II (manual focus) (marginal, I admit):
https://www.airliners.net/photo/Antonov- ... ya/2460988

These were without extender:
https://www.airliners.net/photo/British- ... er/2713039

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Pakistan ... LR/2201113


Protip: contrail shots are "off airport", so if you search for that term (exactly like I wrote it), it should result in contrail examples.
 
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Re: Canon EF 100-400 IS II &Tamron 150-600C Which is better

Wed Sep 14, 2016 10:55 am

airkas1 wrote:
spompert wrote:
Do you have examples of contrail shots taken with the 100-400 (I or II) with or without 1.4x? It`s quite hard to find them in the search engine. Unfortunately there is no separate category for contrail shots.

Sure!

This one was with a 1.4x II (manual focus) (marginal, I admit):
https://www.airliners.net/photo/Antonov- ... ya/2460988

These were without extender:
https://www.airliners.net/photo/British- ... er/2713039

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Pakistan ... LR/2201113


Protip: contrail shots are "off airport", so if you search for that term (exactly like I wrote it), it should result in contrail examples.

Thanks for the examples! Your shots look great and it`s quite impressive what the Canon 100-400 can deliver as well. I tried the search criteria also and it did work nicely.
 
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Re: Canon EF 100-400 IS II &Tamron 150-600C Which is better

Sun Sep 25, 2016 6:13 am

All the testing conducted on resolutions etc show the Canon is clearly superior from 100-400 and "equivalent" when using a converter out to 560.
So buying the 100-400II gets you far superior IQ from 100-400 plus equivalent or better from 400-560 than the tamron.
Plus the Af respnse and accuracy of the Canon has already been demonstrated to be far superior to Tammy especially in regards to accuracy.
Tammy is not a bad lens but the Canon 100-400II is about the best mid range zoom ever release and only bettered by the Canon 200-400F4 nothing else comes close even the Nikon 200-400.

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