tommy1808 wrote:With no Wind or other disturbances, water is perfectly flat, and makes for a good mirror.
Tugger wrote:I am thinking it is a photoshop because the reflection is a perfect mirror of the scene the plan and the sky.
ChrisKen wrote:Certainly doctored.
Perfect reflection on a puddle with a remarkable straight edge, when the other parts of the apron are bone dry.
Reflection looks wrong around the engine nacelle and the reg is missing on the reflected wing underside.
All along the edge of the reflection the base of the aircraft is obscure by cloud. Particularly the reflected nosewheel doors.
Not to mention the weird radials.
Don't know what date is on the submission, maybe came in under earlier rules but it's certainly not as seen. Strongly suspect that 'puddle' never existed.
Braybuddy wrote:Just saw this pic on the homepage under Photograpers' Choice. It looks great, but is it real? What are the lines radiating out across the water? A Photoshop radial filter? The reflection looks suspiciously perfect, not a sign of a ripple or distortion, which would be very unusual:
njxc500 wrote:Braybuddy wrote:Just saw this pic on the homepage under Photograpers' Choice. It looks great, but is it real? What are the lines radiating out across the water? A Photoshop radial filter? The reflection looks suspiciously perfect, not a sign of a ripple or distortion, which would be very unusual:
The radiating lines are the grooves in the concrete.
I think this photo is real. Good job by the photographer.
airkas1 wrote:So I spoke to the photographer; the rays are indeed grooves in the concrete. I'm satisfied that the photo is real, so no further action will be taken.
Braybuddy wrote:airkas1 wrote:So I spoke to the photographer; the rays are indeed grooves in the concrete. I'm satisfied that the photo is real, so no further action will be taken.
Hmmm. . . how does he explain the addition of the clouds under the tail, and the identical perspective, which Tugger has pointed out should be different?
Braybuddy wrote:Hmmm. . . how does he explain the addition of the clouds under the tail, and the identical perspective, which Tugger has pointed out should be different?
Tugger wrote:I am thinking it is a photoshop because the reflection is a perfect mirror of the scene, the plane and the sky. You see the EXACT same thing in the reflection, with the apparent identical angle in the reflection, that you see above (the sky and clouds) and below the plane. There should be a slight perspective shift in the two images since you are viewing the background and foreground at different angles (you should see a bit less sky between the top of the plane and the clouds in the background and a bit more underneath. Look at the yellow stand (stairs?) at the nose of the aircraft, there is no shift all. You can see the shift in this picture, look at the trees in the background:
https://www.airliners.net/photo/Fly-Jama ... 757-23N//L
I would say that in particular you should be able to easily see a shift in the view of the wing in front of the fuselage in the reflection, and there is no shift.
dvincent wrote:Did he provide a RAW file or high-res camera original?
airkas1 wrote:He didn't say, but the clouds underneath the tail could very well be there and at the time visible by the eye, but not by the camera? (it's an iPhone 6 photo by the way, not sure if that has any relevance). I'll try to replicate at work next week with my phone, it's certainly wet enough now...
glen wrote:To be honest I can't explain the "clouds" either, but something in the puddle close to the surface, causing a different breaking of light could be a possibility. It remains questionable, however the fact that adding additional objects into a otherwise 1 to 1 copy does not make sense at all. Why should someone deliberately ruin an otherwise perfect fake?The perspective however seems to be absolut right. On pictures with the camera very close to the ground, no shift in perspective can be seen, for objects far in the background:
glen wrote:Only with the camera higher above the ground and with objects close to the aircraft, the shift in perspective can be easely seen:
Braybuddy wrote:There is a paradox here though: if the perspective is identical, as it is in the rest of the photograph, those clouds should not be in the reflection.
Braybuddy wrote:Also, radial grooves on an airport apron?
Braybuddy wrote:And they raditate out right from the centre of the pic, which is exactly where you would put them if you were adding them in Photoshop.
Braybuddy wrote:Also, the edge of the puddle seems too straight to be real (there even seems to be a quite sharp edge to the right):
airkas1 wrote:dvincent wrote:Did he provide a RAW file or high-res camera original?
It's an iPhone photo; there is no RAW or 'proper' high-res original. However, I do believe I have the original photo. In the photo, the clouds show the same as in the edit that was uploaded.
vikkyvik wrote:Braybuddy wrote:There is a paradox here though: if the perspective is identical, as it is in the rest of the photograph, those clouds should not be in the reflection.
Unless there is a slight difference in the water surface there. Maybe a slight wave or ripple, or anything that changes the angle of the water. It wouldn't take much at all. It does seem odd, but it is a possibility.
vikkyvik wrote:It's quite possible that the puddle ends at a seam in the concrete.
airkas1 wrote:dvincent wrote:"high res original" as in the 8MP original camera JPEG from the iPhone 6, which is always an option.
I have a 1.62MB 3264x2448px file. The size is equivalent to my own iPhone 6(S) photos.
JakTrax wrote:It just doesn't add up, but without conclusive evidence I doubt there's much anyone can do to remove the image. My personal feeling is that it's doctored, but the iPhone clearly doesn't have the capabilities for us to determine whether or not the image has been tampered with.
Jalap wrote:Looking at other photo's from the same photographer makes me believe this shot is 100% real. He's a great photographer with classic and creative shots. Well worth having a look at.
He also has the shot below. It also shows the radials although less obvious. And nobody would doubt the authenticity of this one
ChrisKen wrote:Honestly, while at first glance that looks more plausible, take a closer look and it looks pretty good candidate for being 'doctored' too
ChrisKen wrote:It's the 'distortions' that are causing me the concern. Very regular, very manufactured looking, similar profiles across both individual pics and the 'series'.
All screaming the use of an app/filter to me.
NJOpsGuy wrote:The radial lines don't bother me, as that would be how straight grooves in the concrete would appear from that perspective.
Delta717 wrote:The photo alone is fine, it just violates the T&C of submission here.
canyonblue17 wrote:Anyone check to see if it rained that day in that city?
Braybuddy wrote:Compare them with this pic I took from a low angle of grooves on a road:
canyonblue17 wrote:Anyone check to see if it rained that day in that city?
Braybuddy wrote:I think there are now enough red flags about this photograph to warrant its removal until issues are cleared up. These are:
Clouds in reflection not a mirror-image of sky
Complete absence of distortion in reflection
Perfectly straight edge to pool of water
Identical perspectives in reflection
Unnatural-looking radials on surface of water
canyonblue17 wrote:Here is another problem with the rays. If you try to line up the rays that start directly at the seam - especially the ones right in front of the landing gear - and trace them toward the bottom of the photo - they don't line up at all.
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