Have quality standards changed on here recently?

Moose135 · Wed Dec 08, 2021 6:51 pm

glen wrote:
IMO with the dynamic range of todays camera technology there is no argument against a good backlit shot.

But only "cool" backlit shots.

PanAm_DC10 · Fri Dec 10, 2021 1:53 am

Hello Garrett

The image appears acceptable and a note for the screeners on upload it was unavoidable would be apopropriate.

dutchspotter1 · Fri Dec 10, 2021 8:16 pm

PanAm_DC10 wrote:
The image appears acceptable and a note for the screeners on upload it was unavoidable would be apopropriate.

Please take into account that such a note or background story for the screeners won't be visible for the general public, so it will still raise a lot of questions if photos like this are being accepted.

PanAm_DC10 · Sat Dec 11, 2021 4:59 am

Hi Garrett

If an uploaded image meets our acceptance guidelines and is backlit with the comment you provided it would be rejected. A scheduled service at a nearby location affords time to plan a well lit shot.

Miami · Tue Dec 14, 2021 12:28 am

Any update?

vikkyvik · Wed Dec 15, 2021 3:02 pm

Miami wrote:
Any update?

What are you waiting for? The site has made its policy known, and life goes on.

I wouldn't expect much more.

Silver1SWA · Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:30 pm

gh6912 wrote:
PanAm_DC10 wrote:
Hello Garrett

The image appears acceptable and a note for the screeners on upload it was unavoidable would be apopropriate.

Hi Paul, I will level with you, I am absolutely SHOCKED with your answer. That photo (yes it is my image) is atrocious and I would not want my name associated with such subpar work on this website. I do understand the position you're in. You are doing what you can to generate traffic to the site and easing screening restrictions can lead to that. However I have to ask, at what cost? Images like the one I referenced are rejected at nearly all the competitor websites to this one, heck an image like that isn't even shared by many on social media like Instagram, and if it was the poster would certainly apologize for it being so awfully backlit.

Looks like a nicely captured and edited photo to me and I’d gladly upload it to Instagram without an apology. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I’ll never understand the backlit = atrocious argument but then again I don’t understand how the standards here are still relevant in 2021.

45272455674 · Sun Dec 26, 2021 3:41 am

I suspect the anti-backlit argument stems from old times.

The aerial backlit photo to me looked okay. It really depends on the photo. Probably it might have been possible to get a non backlit photo too if ATC allowed, who knows.

In the old days you could still have backlit photos as well, just that they were those silhouette type images.

I’m on the fence as far as this goes.

PanAm_DC10 · Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:46 pm

Hi All

https://www.airliners.net/faq/photo_acceptance_guide/

The acceptance guide has been updated with the following

High in frame / Low in frame
Air to ground
Backlit
Drones
Distance and cropping

Thanks

LGM · Sat Jan 22, 2022 10:42 pm

Hello, the photos doesn't show the wrong color space when in screening? https://www.airliners.net/search?user=174150 many of the last ones have a different color space.

45272455674 · Wed Jun 01, 2022 5:23 am

I would like to caution against excessive use of noise-reduction on images in post processing.

In daylight or sunset conditions it shouldn't be necessary to use really heavy noise reduction that results in grass and other foreground details looking very washed out.

notaxonrotax · Sat Jun 04, 2022 11:08 pm

Hi,

at the risk of coming across as resentful towards other A-net photographers (which I am not).....I have to question the Motive of this pic:

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Finnair ... 13/6873825

Surely aviation plays a minor part in this pic?

Cheers,

No Tax On Rotax

45272455674 · Sun Jun 05, 2022 1:31 am

I can see the motive for that one, the flowers on the plane and the flowers on the tree.

If it was just a regular plane in a regular colour scheme then certainly this motive wouldn't be justified.

notaxonrotax · Sun Jun 05, 2022 4:38 am

cpd wrote:
I can see the motive for that one, the flowers on the plane and the flowers on the tree.

If it was just a regular plane in a regular colour scheme then certainly this motive wouldn't be justified.

I guess.
Personally I found it far-fetched....especially considering the Motive-rejections I have received lately.
Good on this particular photographer though, I welcome a more flexible interpretation!

I was under the impression that they were tightening up the screening rules as opposed to taking a more relaxed approach.
But this image above is an example of a very relaxed approach.......quite literally.

Cheers,

No Tax On Rotax

PanAm_DC10 · Sat Jun 11, 2022 11:11 pm

Hello NoTaxOnRotax

Understand your point and the shot you refer to the motive works well. In previous years we have accepted similar shots where the cherry blossoms take more of the frame than the aircraft.

In relation to your shots and their motive I do understand your concerns. That said, I do see the aviation motives but unfortunately they are sometimes not too well defined. Please continue to upload them as you clearly enjoy the category and they have strong DB value.

Regards

Paul

notaxonrotax · Sun Jun 12, 2022 5:08 am

PanAm_DC10 wrote:
Hello NoTaxOnRotax

Understand your point and the shot you refer to the motive works well. In previous years we have accepted similar shots where the cherry blossoms take more of the frame than the aircraft.

In relation to your shots and their motive I do understand your concerns. That said, I do see the aviation motives but unfortunately they are sometimes not too well defined. Please continue to upload them as you clearly enjoy the category and they have strong DB value.

Regards

Paul

Will do, thanks!

Cheers,

No Tax On Rotax

eggohoek · Fri Jun 17, 2022 9:33 am

LGM wrote:
Hello, the photos doesn't show the wrong color space when in screening? https://www.airliners.net/search?user=174150 many of the last ones have a different color space.

You are right, wrong color space doesn't shown in the screening page, just after the acceptance when appearing in the database.

45272455674 · Mon Jul 04, 2022 8:20 pm

What happened with the train/plane photo?

https://www.airliners.net/photo/China-A ... /6914083/L

PanAm_DC10 · Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:13 pm

Hello Chris

Unfortunately it had to be removed fpr editing as it was two images overlayed into one

45272455674 · Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:32 am

PanAm_DC10 wrote:
Hello Chris

Unfortunately it had to be removed fpr editing as it was two images overlayed into one

Damn.

Shame that people must do that sort of thing. Then my reply to the photos topic should certainly be removed.

wiggy · Fri Jul 08, 2022 12:44 pm

ufospotter wrote:
The headscreener upstairs, please talk to your conscience, and it's a bit of a human nature,
"He got banned (+ all photos deleted) on his first account back in March for continously uploading and appealing marginal and unfixed photos," Every time I reupload the photo, I edited it, but screeners didn't look carefully, and then arbitrarily said there was no change.
This time, I didn't violate any rules for uploading pictures. I just wanted to use the original name. As a result, it was banned. It was really a mess. Is this their world, and there is no justice?

Ha stupid person

dutchspotter1 · Sun Jul 10, 2022 8:21 pm

Just wondering why these two photos of the same a/c were accepted, rather than having one accepted and the other rejected for "double"

Thanks in advance for the clarification.

PanAm_DC10 · Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:01 am

Hello Dutchspotter1

Thanks for your post and we agree with your point of view, accept we have made an error and the one with the lowest views will be removed.

Regards

Paul

dutchspotter1 · Sat Jul 16, 2022 8:29 am

Just wondering why this website is now accepting photos with dust spots. Has the policy been changed regarding the removal of dust spots?

If it was just one pic I could assume it was just a screening error, but now I'm not so sure. Many thanks in advance for clarifying.

PanAm_DC10 · Sat Jul 16, 2022 11:11 pm

Hi Dutchspotter1

No, we've not changed our policy. Nor would we and these were screened same batch so an error was made. We have asked the photographer to correct and reupload.

Regards

Paul

dutchspotter1 · Sun Jul 17, 2022 6:45 am

Thank you for your reply. So what does batch screening mean exactly? Are photos not screened individually?

PanAm_DC10 · Sun Jul 17, 2022 8:46 am

Hi Dutchspotter1

They're screened individually though the team are able to decide how many they view i.e. 5, 10, 20 or more. How many are chosen is a batch.

Regards

Paul

LGM · Wed Aug 10, 2022 1:13 am

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Romania ... /6928929/L is this photo within the standards of a.net? I thought it was an old photo scanned, but then I saw the date and this other one that is muuuuuuch better https://www.airliners.net/photo/Romania ... /6931537/L

dutchspotter1 · Wed Aug 10, 2022 6:53 am

LGM wrote:
https://www.airliners.net/photo/Romania-Air-Force/Antonov-An-30/6928929/L is this photo within the standards of a.net?

Not only that, I'm also wondering how many votes it got in order to become Photographer's Choice.
I guess as long as it's an A2A photo of a rare a/c, quality standards are being thrown overboard.

LGM · Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:36 pm

dutchspotter1 wrote:
LGM wrote:
https://www.airliners.net/photo/Romania-Air-Force/Antonov-An-30/6928929/L is this photo within the standards of a.net?

Not only that, I'm also wondering how many votes it got in order to become Photographer's Choice.
I guess as long as it's an A2A photo of a rare a/c, quality standards are being thrown overboard.

My guess is everybody voted as a "bad joke" to highlight this anomaly.

45272455674 · Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:37 pm

Have you both tried contacting screeners@airliners.net?

dutchspotter1 · Sun Aug 14, 2022 2:20 pm

dutchspotter1 wrote:
Just wondering why these two photos of the same a/c were accepted, rather than having one accepted and the other rejected for "double"

Thanks in advance for the clarification.

Same question for these:

Thank you.

PanAm_DC10 · Sun Aug 14, 2022 11:32 pm

Hi DutchSpotter1

The motive appears different

Regards

dutchspotter1 · Mon Aug 15, 2022 2:34 pm

Seems very similar to me, same angle, same background/clouds, only the refueling hose is missing in the second one.

45272455674 · Mon Aug 15, 2022 7:57 pm

dutchspotter1 wrote:
dutchspotter1 wrote:
Just wondering why these two photos of the same a/c were accepted, rather than having one accepted and the other rejected for "double"

Thanks in advance for the clarification.

Same question for these:

Thank you.

Different locations and background.

What is the point of this calling out of accepted images on the forum here? Can you use the screener email address?

dutchspotter1 · Tue Aug 16, 2022 6:40 am

cpd wrote:
What is the point of this calling out of accepted images on the forum here? Can you use the screener email address?

The point is to get some clarification on why certain images are accepted and also allowing other photographers to learn from this (which wouldn't be possible via email). It's quite similar to the topics in the Photography Feedback forum but that deals mostly with rejected images.

45272455674 · Sun Aug 21, 2022 5:48 am

I have to wonder if the top of the photographers choice at the moment and views is really for the skillful photography or the “undercarriage” in the foreground of the photo, which would seem to be the main subject of the photo from the comments.

I suppose everyone will be doing those photos now. One way to get views.

It’s acceptable no doubt - that’s been decided before, but will it be if everyone does those photos and you end up with all the top photos of the last 24 hours the same?

vikkyvik · Tue Aug 23, 2022 2:00 pm

cpd wrote:
I have to wonder if the top of the photographers choice at the moment and views is really for the skillful photography or the “undercarriage” in the foreground of the photo, which would seem to be the main subject of the photo from the comments.

I suppose everyone will be doing those photos now. One way to get views.

It’s acceptable no doubt - that’s been decided before, but will it be if everyone does those photos and you end up with all the top photos of the last 24 hours the same?

No offense Chris, but someone inevitably asks these questions every time a photo like this gets popular. Which has happened numerous times over the years.

So, business as usual.

wiggy · Mon Oct 03, 2022 10:11 pm

I recken they have because i'm now getting just Rejections!!

Deepgreen · Tue Oct 11, 2022 10:19 am

Something I have noticed is that if I have a photo rejected with a comment about, say, colour balance, if I then correct that one issue and leave everything else alone I then have the improved photo rejected again, but for a host of different reasons not previousy mentioned, when I have only changed a single attribute. Very frustrating, as it would be good to have knowledge of all the reasons for rejection at once rather than have them drip-fed with subsequent uploadings.

Moose135 · Tue Oct 11, 2022 7:18 pm

That's always been the way it worked here. When a screener finds something that causes a rejection, they stop screening your photo and reject it. Then you fix the problem, resubmit, and wait two weeks to find there was something else wrong as well...

45272455674 · Wed Oct 12, 2022 7:42 pm

That’s something I used to complain about as well.

If all the flaws of an image were noted in the one screening, (as well as the most obvious one) it might make people happier.

It might take a bit longer.

dutchspotter1 · Sun Oct 16, 2022 10:02 am

Just wondering if these were accepted by accident or if the sky is only overexposed on my screen:

Thanks for the clarification.

PanAm_DC10 · Tue Oct 18, 2022 9:27 am

Hello DuthSpotter1

Thanks for giving the crew time to have a look.

They believe one shot is fine and the other suffers more from contrast than an overexposed sky. A reupload will be asked for.

Regards

Paul

dutchspotter1 · Thu Mar 23, 2023 3:22 pm

Should this have been rejected for vignetting (or perhaps shooting through the fence)?

45272455674 · Fri Mar 24, 2023 7:06 pm

Just wondering if it’s acceptable to be calling out these photos in the forum?

Can’t you use the screener email address? People can learn via the email they get from the screeners.

dutchspotter1 · Sat Mar 25, 2023 4:32 pm

I don't know the screener's email address as I don't know who screened this photo.
And how can other people learn from emails that only I would get from the screener? In the forum anybody can learn and discuss.

45272455674 · Sun Mar 26, 2023 7:28 pm

dutchspotter1 wrote:
I don't know the screener's email address as I don't know who screened this photo.
And how can other people learn from emails that only I would get from the screener? In the forum anybody can learn and discuss.

screeners@airliners.net is the address:

viewtopic.php?t=1456295

Mentioned by one of the moderators.

Jalap · Sun Oct 08, 2023 12:25 pm

Are uploaders of old photos no longer being motivated to edit the shots as good as possible before upload?
While there are truely fantastic old shots, perfectly edited coming in, I also see great old shots that are not edited all the way. Then I wonder why, for example, noise reduction hasn't been applied.

And also I see old shots that are just not good. Well old, even shots made in the early 2000's seem to require very little quality. Not good shots from the start, badly scanned, barely edited. Grain, soft, colour off, even borders visible... .

Just to pick a random one, especially the borders are so easy to fix:

PanAm_DC10 · Sun Oct 15, 2023 11:05 am

Hi

Thanks for your post, a reupload has been asked for and the image has been removed. An error was made screening as borders are not acceptable and we agree with your expectation an effort is made to edit no matter how rare an image is.

Regards

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