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RE: Canon EOS 1D Mark II Review

Sun Apr 04, 2004 11:39 pm

Good points Colin.

I too thought Chad was comparing the 300D to a Mark II. No comparison!!

Yes, I think this new Mark II has all the features I would ever want in a digital camera in the higher-end range. I can't imagine needing 11 megapixels for an airliner shot  Smile !! Now I can see the need for it in a portrait or for advertising work or a huge poster for example. But not for what I shoot.

I spoke with the Canon Rep about the Mark II as I was leaving my favorite camera store a couple of weeks ago and he said Canon is very worried that the new Mark II will take away sales from the 1DS. I think he has a very valid point. That is just like my two Canon EOS 630 film bodies. A lot of people purchased them instead of a higher end film camera from Canon due to the speed of 5.5 fps and this camera took away from the more expensive film cameras that Canon had out at the time.

For those that shoot both film and digital, do you ever think there will come a time (except for slide trading) that you would just completely convert everything over to digital? Just a thought.


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RE: Canon EOS 1D Mark II Review

Sun Apr 04, 2004 11:46 pm

Hey guys... easy. I didnt compare the 300D to the 1D. How did you fellers get that?
 
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RE: Canon EOS 1D Mark II Review

Sun Apr 04, 2004 11:54 pm

Sorry, perhaps I misunderstood this oneliner of his.

I saw an obvious reference to the 1D Mk1 or II there.

Wietse



Wietse, Ha.

How did you get that out of this?

Forget the 10D. I already have a camera as good as the 10D. This will be my next camera (or something similar).

Let me break it down.

I was planning on replacing my 300D with A 10D within the next year and a half. I have seriously thought about that and decided that there is no point, since the 300D is as good as the 10D.

Then I stated that "this will be my next camera (or something similar)"

meaning that the 1D will be my next camera.

Hope you all understand that now.

 
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RE: Canon EOS 1D Mark II Review

Sun Apr 04, 2004 11:57 pm

Chad, sure! I know your reasoning behind it, and why you chose for the 300D instead of the 10D, it all makes sense. I just thought you meant with

Its not what you have its how you use it.

That it doesnt matter what you use, a 300D, 10D or a 1D, just use it properly and you will get the same results. That is what I thought you meant, so I responded to that  Smile

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RE: Canon EOS 1D Mark II Review

Mon Apr 05, 2004 1:15 am

Canon is very worried that the new Mark II will take away sales from the 1DS

Very true - esp. since the MkII is a LOT cheaper. But Canon worried? I very much doubt it - I don't think Canon have put a foot wrong since going digital, and I'd be very surprised if they've got this wrong. I suspect that the 1Ds MkII is due real soon now. This would have been needed in any case due to the very competively priced Kodak full-frame camera, and a rumoured full frame from Nikon.

I'd expect to see something with at least 14mp, maybe 16 - and possibly, just possibly, Canon's own version of Foveon technology (they have patents on a similar system).

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RE: Canon EOS 1D Mark II Review

Mon Apr 05, 2004 3:01 am

Chad,

I knew you weren't trying to compare the 300D to the MkII. Sorry if there was any misunderstanding from my standpoint. I do recommend the 300D to many of my friends for whom the price point is a concern, but if people can afford it the 10D really offers the control you need short of moving to a full-fledged pro camera like the 1D, 1Ds, or 1D Mark II.

Colin and Jay,

I don't think Canon is worried about sales from the 1Ds- I think they are a company with long-term plans, and I think the price of the 1Ds was anticipatory of future planned products. Surely they have regained a large amount of their R&D spending with the $7-8K price tag. In addition, for a large number of working pros, the 1Ds serves a photographic style that the 1D MkII falls short in. For architecture, the 1Ds is still king, and even with the MkII announcement there were still photographers scrambling to get the 1Ds. Just look at prices and stock levels of the 1Ds- still moving off shelves quickly and holding its price from over a year ago, despite the MkII announcement. My brother is a photographer in the western USA, and he shoots 4x5 film, the 1D and the 1Ds. He hasn't even been tempted by the 1D MkII- the 1Ds serves a need and so does the 1D MkI. I really think the the Mark II is going to be bought mainly by big news agencies and photographers who are borderline serious professionals/ advanced amateurs. Most pros I know either know they need the MkII, 1Ds, or 1D. And if you need the 1Ds, you need the 1Ds. That is all there is to it!

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RE: Canon EOS 1D Mark II Review

Mon Apr 05, 2004 3:06 am

Wow,

14mp, possible 16????
So will this mean that the sensor is actually bigger than a 35mm frame?
Wonder how much that bad boy will cost? Yet, unless you are truly a professional photographer, who needs that many megapixels for what we are doing. I'd rather have more speed in terms of fps, better auto-focusing, better metering, etc., which is exactly what the Mark II is going to bring to the market.

From my talks with the Canon guy, maybe the word "worried" isn't a good choice. I'd say concern is a better choice. They do realize that many people are going to buy this camera instead of ever going for a 1DS, including me. I was hell-bent on buying a 1DS until Joe Pries and a few others talked me out of it. Plus, I like the 1.3 zoom ratio that gives me a little bit more reach with my zoom lenses............the 1DS is the same as my EOS 1VHS in terms of focal length.

I know this probably sounds like a stupid question, but when you are using a camera like a 10D or a 300D, etc. with a 1.3 or 1.6 zoom ratio, do you notice the difference as you are shooting in the viewfinder? I would think you would notice it, just wanted to clarify.

One other question about Canon digital. I've noticed Nikon bodies with a very cool protective cover for the LCD screen on the back of my friend's digital inferior  Smile Nikon equipment. Does Canon also provide a protective cover for their LCD digital screens? Just wondering as I'd like to protect it, if possible while using it.


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RE: Canon EOS 1D Mark II Review

Mon Apr 05, 2004 3:25 am

Jay,

I have heard the rumor of the 16MP Canon... I think they are playing the game to stay ahead of the crowd, even if it means offering a camera that offers more MP without much more real useable info. It will not be larger than a 35mm frame, as current 35mm lenses will vignette badly if that were the case. When the 11MP 1Ds was being tested, many reviewers discovered that it outresolved many lenses except the sharpest primes, and it outresolved the standardized resolution charts. 16MP sounds cool, but I wonder how many 35mm lenses would actually benefit from that resolution. Another thing I noticed with the 1Ds is that is showed EVERY flaw in my technique. Shots I could have gotten away with on my D30 were shown to have camera shake or mirror vibration on the 1Ds. 16MP would be even worse!

Canon does not provide LCD protection, but it is a simple matter to get plastic covers for them really cheaply (the type used on PDA's, or ones from Hoodman USA). They work great. Others choose to put nothing over the LCD, because they don't want to obstruct the view, and secondly, it is reportedly very cheap to replace (in the neighborhood of $10-20 through Canon, as I have heard). It isn't as big of deal as I once thought.

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RE: Canon EOS 1D Mark II Review

Mon Apr 05, 2004 5:21 am

16mp is a theoretical possibility on a full frame sensor by using a denser array and improved microlens technology (remember the 3mp D30, 6mp D60 and 8mp MkII are all using the same APS sized sensor).

It is true that the 1Ds raised issues with some lenses, primarily wide angles, but as I understand it the problem wasn't so much resolution as abberation due to the fact that the sensor pits at the edge of the sensor were at to accute an angle to the light path. I believe the microlens technology used by the MkII would largely resolve this issue, but yes, there is a question of how much resolution a lens can produce.

Nevertheless a 16mp sensor would mean Canon being able to compete head on with medium format digital backs at the lower end of the market. Clearly this would be a studio/portrait camera, but as such would be complimentary to the MkII in the Canon lineup.

LCD protection - well I don't abuse my cameras, but nor am I extra careful with them (for example, the show bare metal on the hot shoe), but after 2 years, there's not a mark on my D60 LCD.

As to the cropped view - yes, you see through the viewfinder more or less what the sensor sees, though on both the 10D and 300D the view is about 95% of the actual image.

Cheers,

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RE: Canon EOS 1D Mark II Review

Mon Apr 05, 2004 5:26 am

Anyone have an idea at how many shutter operations a 1D is certified? And if one fails after having reached that ammount of releases, how much will the repair cost? I can imagine a sophisticated shutter system like the one on the EOS 1D and EOS 3 will be pretty expensive to replace?

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RE: Canon EOS 1D Mark II Review

Mon Apr 05, 2004 5:44 am

1D is rated at 150,000 shutter fires (remember this is a rating, with some lasting much longer). I have called Canon and the estimated cost is $250-300 tops and 7-10 days turnaround. Of course, if it is in warranty, then the cost should be $0.

The MkII is rated at 200,000 shots (50,000 more than the 1D or 1Ds).

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RE: Canon EOS 1D Mark II Review

Mon Apr 05, 2004 5:45 am

Nevermind  Big grin I figured it out myself. The 1D shutter is tested for 150.000 exposures, but a similar system in a film camera has been up to over 400.000 exposures.

Still dont know the eventual cost of replacement though  Smile

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RE: Canon EOS 1D Mark II Review

Mon Apr 05, 2004 5:49 am

Thanks Ken,

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RE: Canon EOS 1D Mark II Review

Mon Apr 05, 2004 6:22 am

I'm kiddingly saying this...........

If you have to ask how much it costs, you can't afford it  Smile !!

Believe me, I really cannot afford this EOS Mark II and I am pulling out money from my 401k savings plan to get it, YET, if I don't get it, I'll continue to put money in for film and processing. So in actuality, this camera will save me money in the long run. The money I spent on film and processing will now go back into the 401k savings plan and I'll also contribute more to the fund to make up the difference.


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RE: Canon EOS 1D Mark II Review

Mon Apr 05, 2004 6:36 am

lol Jay  Big grin

Just making up a list of eventual costs. Always look further than just the pricetag of the camera!

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RE: Canon EOS 1D Mark II Review

Mon Apr 05, 2004 6:40 am

Jay -

Going digital has saved me TONS of overhead costs on film and processing. I now put that money into gear rentals and experiments!

One thing to keep in mind, though, when you are estimating jobs for clients, be sure to include "digital post-processing" and charge by the hour. What use to be a simple hand-off of film to a photo processor is now an afternoon of resizing, retouching and CD burning.

It's a trade-off I am comfortable with though as now the images never leave my hands. It's in my complete control from shutter release to client delivery. The cost-redistribution is now clearly in favor of the photographer. As you're not paying cash up front for the film and processing.

But you DO have to bone up on your Photoshop skills to maintain proficiency.  Smile

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RE: Canon EOS 1D Mark II Review

Mon Apr 05, 2004 6:59 am

Hi William,

Thanks for your comments about post-production work now with digital files.
I certainly understand that process and don't mind. I would like to take a "crash course" in Photoshop and will do so very soon.

I feel pretty comfortable with Photoshop and have used it for about 6 years now, yet I have only scratched the surface of what it can do. I also have around 4 books on Photoshop 7.0. Most of it deals wiht Restoration and Retouching, along with a Photoshop Book for Digital Photographers, etc.

I know I am going to save a lot of money and I've already told the employees at the lab I go to, that they won't be seeing me as much whenever I get my new camera. I'll still go there if I need prints/enlargements, but that will be the extent of it.

As for charging clients, I don't do a lot of "paid work" but you can rest assured, when I do get some paid shots, I'll charge them!


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RE: Canon EOS 1D Mark II Review

Mon Apr 05, 2004 7:37 pm

Given the choice what would you opt for if both were the same price:

Mint Canon 1Ds or a new 1D MKII.

I think I'd lean more towards the MKII firstly so I can blame Colin if I dont like it and secondly I think I would miss any crop factor even the MKIIs 1.3.

With the introduction of the MKII this choice may very well come about.



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RE: Canon EOS 1D Mark II Review

Mon Apr 05, 2004 7:53 pm

The 1Ds is an incredible camera, but I think less practical than the MkII. As Ken has pointed out, it is merciless in exposing flaws in technique or equipment - the 1.3 crop on the MKII is not only a useful "free" teleconvertor, but does give a certain "fudge factor" when it comes to lens choice.

For example, while my Sigma 14mm provides decent results on a cropped DSLR, I have no illusions about this lens - edge performamce is pretty woeful. I believe this lens is effectively unusable on a 1Ds.To take full advantage of the 1Ds would require a significant investment in glass, not to mention a lot more care in technique.

For the dedicated landscape or studio photographer, I guess the 1Ds would still be the camera of choice, but for the rest the MkII is a more practical option.

I can blame Colin if I dont like it

LOL - but I'd say if you can get hold of this camera early enough, you've got a better than money back guarantee ... the waiting lists are going to be looong, and there's sure to be someone willing to pay you a little over the odds in order to get their hands on one NOW.

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RE: Canon EOS 1D Mark II Review

Mon Apr 05, 2004 10:50 pm

Why doesn't Canon ramp up production on the Mark II in order to fulfill the HUGE demand factor for this camera? They are going to get their money no matter what, so why not run the factory 24/7 and produce them in large quantities?

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RE: Canon EOS 1D Mark II Review

Mon Apr 05, 2004 11:11 pm

How do you know they aren't?  Smile

Seriously, the fact that other Canon DSLRs (except perhaps the 300D) are all still a bit patchy in supply would suggest that Canon are already producing at maximum output with existing plant.

Yes, they could build another factory ... but this doesn't make ecomomic sense for the launch of one camera, which, for all the excitement is going to sell an insignificant number of units compared to say the 300D or the many prosumer models ... don't forget, for the majority of people the new 8mp Canon Pro 1 is the important new release, not the MkII - Canon will probably sell at least 10 Pro 1s for every MkII.

When it comes to production infrastructure, you have to take a long term view beyond the immediate product line. If, for example, Canon's future strategy revolves around a Foveon type sensor, then ramping up CMOS production more than necessary would be foolish.

If Canon were able to meet all the immediate demand for the MkII now, that would simply mean a serious excess of production facilities in a few months.

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RE: Canon EOS 1D Mark II Review

Tue Apr 06, 2004 12:54 am

What is a 8mp Canon Pro 1?
Is that a European version of the Mark II?
I have never heard of this camera.


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RE: Canon EOS 1D Mark II Review

Tue Apr 06, 2004 1:02 am

As great as the MkII looks right now, I think that the apparent demand is not a reflection of the true demand- it is overstated. Most dealers have lists 100 miles long, but a big part of that is the fact that many people (myself included) are on more than one list. The second fact is that $4500 is no small sum, and many people who want the camera will not be able to come up with the funds unless they are stupid enough to go into credit card debt for a camera.

Canon has announced 4000 MkII cameras per month. While it is not certain when the clock started on that one (probably several months ago), I think they still will be a bit behind of the demand curve for a short time. But this is no 10D or Digital Rebel. Far more people are able to come up with $1000 or $1500 for a camera than $4500. When the 1D was released, there was heavy demand for it, too, yet it wasn't too long before everyone was able to get their hands on one. I think we will see a similar picture with the 1D MkII.

I have no idea what technologies Canon is coming up with next. Foveon-esque maybe, but that concept has its own bag of worms. Despite the Bayer problem, I am used to it and would rather not see Foveon chips in Canons until the noise issues have been resolved.

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RE: Canon EOS 1D Mark II Review

Tue Apr 06, 2004 1:27 am

Here ya go Jay, the link to the preview on Dpreview.com

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RE: Canon EOS 1D Mark II Review

Tue Apr 06, 2004 4:36 am

Thanks for the link Rez, I'll check it out.

Well I just got off the phone from my camera store and he said the release isn't going to be until the end of April, now. I would tend to think my store knows what is going on as they are the most well known and popular camera store in Dallas. Sort of the "B&H" of the Southwest..........


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RE: Canon EOS 1D Mark II Review

Tue Apr 06, 2004 4:38 am

Thanks, but no thanks...............that is, in my opinion, not a real DSLR camera as I can't use my lenses on it. It is just a point and shoot.


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RE: Canon EOS 1D Mark II Review

Tue Apr 06, 2004 5:08 am

not a real DSLR camera

Agreed, but this is where the big names have decided to fight it out this year - I think there are 4 or 5 8mp prosumer models out, all featuring pretty decent glass, but limited by a small sensor - noise and fringing seem to be common problems.

Ken - 4000 a month is not that many if, as it seems, major news agency may be switching to these wholesale. Who knows how many will sell to amatuers? How many would have guessed that so many people would be willing to shell out over $1k for an amatuer camera 3 years ago?

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RE: Canon EOS 1D Mark II Review

Tue Apr 06, 2004 6:54 am

Colin,

I shelled out $1100 (stupidly in retrospect) for the Pro90. I don't know if you remember that camera. It was good enough for this site back then (barely...it had horrible chromatic aberration and poor colors). I assume that the new "Pro" camera with the L lens will correct some of that problem, but I don't see the huge market for the Pro1 in any event, although the feeding frenzy still seems to be focused on the number of megapixels as some sort of bragging right. Maybe people will love it, but it seems like for the a similar amount of money the Digital Rebel/ D70 will be better choices. I remember that at sports tournaments people couldn't believe that my 1D had "only" 4 megapixels when they had G5's and Sony F717's with 5+ megapixels!

I do agree that news agencies are probably gobbling up the 1D MkII's. My guess is that is the reason the date has been "postponed" to the end of April- all the first shipments are being sold behind closed doors in bulk to the news guys. But I have no way of knowing that for sure.

Cheers,

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RE: Canon EOS 1D Mark II Review

Tue Apr 06, 2004 7:09 am

I was told from the start that UK delivery would be April 21st - but haven't had that confirmed yet  Sad

Some guy on dpreview from the US claims he's getting one this week. Clearly there are a few "in the wild", and I guess if you have the right connections, it might be possible to get hold of one.

I recall with the D60, the camera was in the UK about a week before it appeared in the shops - held up due to a delay in delivery of CDs or something similar. Most frustrating!

Cheers,

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RE: Canon EOS 1D Mark II Review

Tue Apr 06, 2004 12:58 pm

Jay wrote:
Believe me, I really cannot afford this EOS Mark II and I am pulling out money from my 401k savings plan to get it, YET, if I don't get it, I'll continue to put money in for film and processing. So in actuality, this camera will save me money in the long run. The money I spent on film and processing will now go back into the 401k savings plan and I'll also contribute more to the fund to make up the difference.

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Jay,
As a financial guy and someone who likes you, I am not happy to read what you wrote above pal and I hope others read this also because it comes from the heart and from someone in the financial industry (yeah, i dont just take photos of airplanes for a living). The last thing you ever want to do is early withdrawal from your 401K man- here is why- whatever money you withdraw today (before age 59 1/2) will be taxed and cost you possibly thousands and thousands when you're ready to reap the rewards of 401K savings at the time of retirement. Every penny in your 401K, especially a chunk like 4500 bucks is compounding annually and if you figure it over a length of 20-30 years, that 4500 you pulled out can cost you 100, 150+ grand possibly if you factor in strong markets and long term compounding (compounding is the magic of 401K savings). As far as funding more later- you are risking being out of the market fully funded and missing out on a big run, costing you big money long term, so I give you my advice- only touch the 401K if you are about to go homeless, otherwise it should never ever be touched- spend the extra money on film for now if you have to- it will be peanuts comparing to messing with your 401K.

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RE: Canon EOS 1D Mark II Review

Tue Apr 06, 2004 1:33 pm

I suppose if you didn't have the cash, you could always buy it a Wolf's or someplace similar and get the 1 year no interest deal and just pay $375 monthly for a year. That wouldn't be so painful I wouldn't take anything out of any investments for it either, that is solid advice.
 
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RE: Canon EOS 1D Mark II Review

Tue Apr 06, 2004 9:09 pm

Joe,

Thank you for the concern, I sincerely appreciate it, but the deal has already been done. I think with my new job, I'll be able to replace that money within the year. Plus, I didn't get taxed for it, as I pulled it out for medical reasons. I also had to pay some medical bills from when I separated my shoulder last year so it is okay...........but I do need to replace the $$$ ASAP, no doubt.


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RE: Canon EOS 1D Mark II Review

Wed Apr 07, 2004 12:14 am

There is a fabulous web site that has a huge thread on this camera.

http://www.canonians.com/


FYI


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RE: Canon EOS 1D Mark II Review

Wed Apr 07, 2004 10:05 pm

Did anyone go visit the site I mentioned?
I think that site has a great deal of information about all Canon cameras.


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RE: Canon EOS 1D Mark II Review

Wed Apr 07, 2004 10:52 pm

Nikon has the same type site. Most people that have owned a digital for a while have been to one of them.
 
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RE: Canon EOS 1D Mark II Review

Wed Apr 07, 2004 11:27 pm

I don't think the site is owned by Canon though. I am new to digital, heck, I don't even own my digital camera yet, but I did find it a very useful site.

Loved your quote at the bottom !!
My wife is an English Teacher  Smile


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RE: Canon EOS 1D Mark II Review

Thu Apr 08, 2004 12:06 am

the Nikonians site is just like the one you mentioned, and is privately run as well. Your excitement about going digital is great. At least you want to learn about the tools and techniques for your new digital, like you have for your film gear. Your research will pay off in a shorter learning curve, and less frustration. A lot of people just buy a dslr and don't take the time to really learn about what the camera can, and can't do, and how to make it do it....

Thank your wife for what she does.

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RE: Canon EOS 1D Mark II Review

Thu Apr 08, 2004 2:33 am

Jay - to be honest, I've reached saturation point on this damn camera  Smile. I'm beginning to think I've read more about it than the Canon engineers! All I'm interested in now is getting my hands on it - or possibly reading some reviews from photographers who I think know what they're doing.

Checked with my dealer today - he was hoping to get details of his allocation real soon now, but feared that it would be less than he hoped.

Anyway, can't sit round waiting for it to appear - some good photo ops coming up, I'll just have to rough it with an "old" D60.

Cheers,

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RE: Canon EOS 1D Mark II Review

Thu Apr 08, 2004 3:25 am

Rough it with an old D60? What... you got rid of the 10D already? Wow, you're keen!  Wink/being sarcastic

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RE: Canon EOS 1D Mark II Review

Thu Apr 08, 2004 5:32 am

What... you got rid of the 10D already? Wow, you're keen!

Not as keen as the person who wanted to buy it  Smile

Had to be done though. Might as well be now as later, and since I had just had it cleaned by Canon, I thought it would be a shame to have used it again myself before selling.

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RE: Canon EOS 1D Mark II Review

Thu Apr 08, 2004 6:49 am

Hi Colin,

Well, I plopped $3750.00 today, so I have $4750.00 in credit at my camera store. I was told I am # 3 on the list and now that I have given them all my $$$$ on the invoice the camera store owner wrote "priority", so hopefully, I will have one by the end of the month. I got a call from the Canon Rep today and he said they don't have an exact date, yet, but he was hoping for around April 26th. That would be a good way to start off a Monday.

I have two Canon EOS 630's for sale in case anyone wants them  Smile !!

I asked the owner of the store what I should do with my EOS 1VHS, and he said to hold onto it. That film would make a comeback, eventually. He compared it to wedding photographers just shooting color for the longest time and then finally going back to black and white film, also.

I hope he is right or I have a $2400.00 brick in my camera bag..........



 
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RE: Canon EOS 1D Mark II Review

Thu Apr 08, 2004 7:00 am

I agree with the store owner ... whatever happens, no matter how good digital gets, film is film and there will always be people who use it because they LIKE it more. A lot of people are jumping on the digital bandwagon for all sorts of reasons. A lot will get back to film because they don't like the digital process.

Anyway, hope you get your date - if you're number 3 on the list, sounds like you've got a good chance.

Cheers,

Colin
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RE: Canon EOS 1D Mark II Review

Thu Apr 08, 2004 7:17 am

My brother who works with several fairly large outfits in western USA says that while many pros use 1Ds and such digital cameras, there defitinely is already a film rebound occuring. Nearly all PJ shooters use digital at least some of the time now, but there are several who have switched back to film and even to LF like 4x5, mainly in an effort to distinguish themselves from the crowd. Digital is an awesome frontier and I think we have just scratched the surface of its potential, but film is not dead nor will it die. I personally love working with film the little that I have done, but it is still 95-99% digital for me, depending on how you count it!  Smile

MkII has arrived in Australia. Dang, now if I could just get mine... I like Colin am sick of talking about the camera- I want it in my hands!  Big grin

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RE: Canon EOS 1D Mark II Review

Thu Apr 08, 2004 7:19 am

I do see a flood of 2nd hand 1D cameras entering the market. Saw a mint 3 months old one for 2500 euros today, sounds a reasonable price. Wont use it for aviation though... my D60 will be an excellent backup for that.

Wietse
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RE: Canon EOS 1D Mark II Review

Thu Apr 08, 2004 7:21 am

Well for me to have "any" chance of getting any of my shots accepted on this site anymore, it was to go digital or forget it. My slide scanner just sucks!
Also, I am tired of paying for processing and film............now if someone wants to "pay" me to take their photographs, I'd gladly take them with film and figure the cost of film and processing into my price. But if I am just shooting for fun, then digital is going to save me a lot of $$$ !!

Now how in the world did Australia get the Mark II before America? Does it have something to do with the time and international date line ????  Smile



Jay
 
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RE: Canon EOS 1D Mark II Review

Thu Apr 08, 2004 7:47 am

Closer to Japan  Smile ? Perhaps containers are just being dropped in the sea and left to drift!

Cheers,

Colin
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RE: Canon EOS 1D Mark II Review

Thu Apr 08, 2004 9:30 am

Well, AA has non-stop service from AA), Japan">NRT to DFW and surely, Canon could put a couple of crates on that B-777 flying back eastbound  Smile !!

They could also send some on KE, SQ, BR or China Eastern's cargo flights to DFW. Heck, even FedEx or UPS, but just send them !!

I'm ready!!

Jay
 
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RE: Canon EOS 1D Mark II Review

Fri Apr 09, 2004 6:28 am

Well about 18 days and counting the way I look at it.
Anybody from down under in Australia care to report on purchasing one of these bad boys???


Jay
 
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RE: Canon EOS 1D Mark II Review

Fri Apr 09, 2004 8:21 am

One bit of good news today - price has dropped by £100  Smile ... guess I'll get that extra 1gb card now.

I was given a great incentive for supporting your local dealer today - I mentioned that I was thinking of hiring a 500mm f4 during Farnborough, and I was offered 2 days loan for free as a "thank you" for my custom.

Don't get that mailorder!

Cheers,

Colin
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RE: Canon EOS 1D Mark II Review

Fri Apr 09, 2004 11:58 am

I wonder what my local camera store would do if I were to show them ads from the mail order and internet web sites for cameras? I mean, they already have $5000.00 of my $$$$.............think they'll cut me a deal?

Which kind of flash cards would you recommend? I want pro series and obviously, fast cards..........


Jay

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