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Baddirty Now In Fashion

Thu Apr 29, 2004 9:10 pm

 
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RE: Baddirty Now In Fashion

Thu Apr 29, 2004 9:14 pm

Daniel

Sensor dust visible.

One way to check, depending on size of monitor being used, is slide the bar at the botton of the web browser quickly back and forwards and you will be able to see it.

One spot on each of your images.

A Baddirty rejection reason is also a hint for you to clean or get your sensor cleaned.

Cheers

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RE: Baddirty Now In Fashion

Thu Apr 29, 2004 9:20 pm

it is pretty shity , if u have dustspots on ur censor .... , i have right now some 3 dustspots on my sensor, so i allways have to clone them away before uploading .....
but, i actually cant see any on the above images, where are they?

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RE: Baddirty Now In Fashion

Thu Apr 29, 2004 9:20 pm

I don't exactly know how to see that? Where is that dirty spot?
Can I fix it in PS?

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RE: Baddirty Now In Fashion

Thu Apr 29, 2004 9:22 pm

The second one is badborder also. A bit of self screening wouldnt hurt here eh?

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RE: Baddirty Now In Fashion

Thu Apr 29, 2004 9:23 pm

Same here:
https://airliners.net/procphotos/rejphoto.main?filename=IMG_2627dwklas04242004III.jpg
where is that dirt?

[Edited 2004-04-29 14:24:30]
 
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RE: Baddirty Now In Fashion

Thu Apr 29, 2004 9:25 pm

Danny

Been screening for almost 5 years now............I can see dead people in some images too  Wink/being sarcastic

If uneasy about sensor cleaning, use the clone tool is Photoshop.

In the Aloha shot - above the L and O half way up
Frontier - above the R and O, again half way up.

Regards

Gary

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RE: Baddirty Now In Fashion

Thu Apr 29, 2004 9:28 pm

OK, but could you please perhaps mark this fault on one of my shots? I would be happy to fix it for you but I must first see that  Big grin

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RE: Baddirty Now In Fashion

Thu Apr 29, 2004 9:28 pm

Danny

Delta shot.......locate the second pole in the soil, half way up the blue sky.

You will probably find that all your shots will have this spot, blue sky will show it up more.

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RE: Baddirty Now In Fashion

Thu Apr 29, 2004 9:30 pm

Danny

I am at work and cannot do........you really need to locate this yourself to see where it appears in all your images.

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RE: Baddirty Now In Fashion

Thu Apr 29, 2004 9:35 pm

Got it. I wonder how many viewers would spot it Big grin OK, now next question - how do I clean my sensor?
 
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RE: Baddirty Now In Fashion

Thu Apr 29, 2004 9:39 pm

Danny

The viewers don't need to know..........the screeners are trained to notice.......as I said, for your benefit.

For cleaning the sensor, I use my Dyson with the attachments..open the shutter, stick the nozzle in and hey presto, the dust is gone  Wink/being sarcastic
Seriously, search the forum here and there are a few threads on sensor cleaning.

To be honest, if I were you, I would not clean and just use the clone tool. Would only take one second in Photoshop to fix.

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RE: Baddirty Now In Fashion

Thu Apr 29, 2004 9:46 pm

HOLY COW! u guys have eyes like a eagle ......

unbelievable  Wow!

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RE: Baddirty Now In Fashion

Fri Apr 30, 2004 12:13 am

Antoher good way to find them is to blow the pic up to 300% or so and then your spot even the smallest.

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RE: Baddirty Now In Fashion

Fri Apr 30, 2004 12:31 am

Danny-
Here's a trick I use. Invert the image.

Image > Adjustments > Invert (Or Ctrl + "I" on a PC, I think...)

The human eye has trouble seeing subtle changes in midvalues. Actually, the eye sees it, but the brain ignores it. (Unless you have one of those abby-normal screener brains  Big grin )

Here's your DL shot with dust circled:


Open image in new window for full size.

Fair warning though. This trick also reveals sloppy retouching and cloning.

Hope this helps.

william

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RE: Baddirty Now In Fashion

Fri Apr 30, 2004 12:32 am

 Insane

I usually agree with the screeners, but this is a little over the top, IMHO. I'm with Danny on this one...I looked closely at both and I still can't see the dirty spots.

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RE: Baddirty Now In Fashion

Fri Apr 30, 2004 12:33 am

Danny, here you are :



I have to say hats off to Gary for seeing it. For me it was completely invisible before he pointed the location, and very faint afterwards.

You'll find the same spot at the same location on the other shot.

707

[edit] off course by the time I post, other peolpe have post the same. Oh well...

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RE: Baddirty Now In Fashion

Fri Apr 30, 2004 12:34 am

Ok, after some monitor adjustments, I can see it now. But still...it's hardly noticeable.
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RE: Baddirty Now In Fashion

Fri Apr 30, 2004 2:22 am

At first I was very surprised about that rejection, and was about to sound off in defense of my fellow photographer!!! But Gary's right, (the man DOES have eyes like an eagle!!!). It actually looks like a fingerprint on the sensor.

As a quick fix, I'd go into PhotoShop and use a smudge tool over it to blend it in - or even clone a bit of sky in. Do that, and keep doing that until you get your sensor clean. Easy easy easy.  Big thumbs up

Great shots Danny, and great eye Gary! It's nice to know that the screeners are actually trying to help us out here - they're not just picking on us!

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RE: Baddirty Now In Fashion

Fri Apr 30, 2004 3:57 am

Hi all

Guys, we are not using this as an easy rejection reason, but as I said, to make you aware of sensor dust.

Believe me, you might have some awsome shot only to realise that a small piece of dust will be grately magnified and could be positioned on an image that would be hard to clone.

Danny, great shots so get them cloned and uploaded again!

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RE: Baddirty Now In Fashion

Fri Apr 30, 2004 5:54 am

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RE: Baddirty Now In Fashion

Fri Apr 30, 2004 6:13 am

A very good eye, Peter Fagerström!!! And a little  Wink/being sarcastic for your sense of humour. Nahh, give 'em a few more  Wink/being sarcastic Wink/being sarcastic Wink/being sarcastic

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RE: Baddirty Now In Fashion

Fri Apr 30, 2004 8:45 am

Is badpeople gone? I hope she signed a model release.
 
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RE: Baddirty Now In Fashion

Fri Apr 30, 2004 11:36 am

Wow, I was thinking the same thing... (model release).

I doubt that spot is a finger print, compare it to the size of the sensor.....
 
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RE: Baddirty Now In Fashion

Fri Apr 30, 2004 11:38 am

I ordered the sensor swipes and pec pads and that fluid.. I was really really nervous, its a breeze now.
 
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RE: Baddirty Now In Fashion

Fri Apr 30, 2004 1:45 pm

G'day
This will always be a problem here until some kind of standardization for screening come in.
I personally don't mind having a photo rejected as i generally learn from the experience.
However to see photo's which have obvious problems like those above go sailing through with far worse problems than those originally commented photos makes me wonder.
You have the A team screeners like Gary etc and then the B teamers who let stuff go through.
We end up with inconsistent screeneing and some pretty po'd photographers.
Simple.
Either make the standard high and keep it there for all photo's inc 3 SA Airlines aeroplanes with dots and jagged An124's or a slightly lower standard and have a set of criteria that is defined by Johann( no badscan is not a good enough definition) that screeners can apply.
Given the above examples is it any wonder many people get frustrated by the screening process.
The key to good screening is standardization and that is something which is lacking at A.Net and from these examples it is only getting more inconsistent.
Hopefully that can change but it will take some work.
All the best
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RE: Baddirty Now In Fashion

Fri Apr 30, 2004 1:58 pm

IMO there is nothing wrong with them. i didn't see the dirt everyone else is talkin about.
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RE: Baddirty Now In Fashion

Fri Apr 30, 2004 8:17 pm

I have found a technique that I find makes it very easier to identify and remove dust spots from images taken with a digital SLR.

This is using Photoshop 7.

1. Create a new adjustment layer of the "curves" type.
2. Accept the default layer name or type in a new one. It doesn't matter, as it will be deleted later anyway.
3. In the curves dialogue, adjust the black point to somewhere between 50-75%. You don't want it too dark, but you want it dark enough for the dust spots to show up. Any dust spots should be readily apparent now.
4. Click on the "background" layer to make it active.
5. Link the new curves layer to the background. This is not essential, but it makes it easier to see which spots have been removed.
6. Use the healing tool or clone tool to remove the dust spots.
7. Once completed, remove the curves layer.

Note that this technique will only reveal dust spots against a plain background, but since they're the only ones that are annoying, they're the only ones that need to be removed. Big grin
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RE: Baddirty Now In Fashion

Fri Apr 30, 2004 11:23 pm

Another way is in PS7 to spot the blighters.
Imge/Adustments/equalize.
They now stand out nicely so you can go back and correct them.
Have fun
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RE: Baddirty Now In Fashion

Sat May 01, 2004 6:50 am

WE got it in Big grin

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