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Good Flashes?

Sat Aug 07, 2004 6:32 am

I am looking to get a flash for my Canon 10D.

One photographer told me to get the 550 I think he said, but I was wondering if any of you folks had any recommendations.

I'd be using it for taking pics of random things mostly indoors.

-Phil
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RE: Good Flashes?

Sat Aug 07, 2004 6:40 am

Phil,

While it may sound ok to go with a lesser flash, dont. Buy the best you can get. Which, in your case, is the Canon 550EX. This thing can fake thunderstorms and blind the best DJ in the world. Ok, that was because of me, but still Big grin

Some examples:




These are both 1,5 seconds shutters with a 2nd curtain flash. The first one was taken with a flash cord to have the flash off-camera
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RE: Good Flashes?

Sat Aug 07, 2004 7:02 am

Phil,
The 550 is a very good flash for the 10d, but costs twice as much as the 420EX which is a very capable flash in it's own right. The 550 can operate as a Master to a bunch of 550's or 420's as slaves, while maintaining E-TTL. A good thing if you need it, an expensive appendage if you don't.

The other bonus is both the 420 and 550 can sync over 1/500th sec in TV mode, whereas non-Canon speedlites are going to be limited to 1/200th of a sec. Depends on what you need, I would compare both side by side and see what features you really need, as they are very closely matched otherwise.

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RE: Good Flashes?

Sat Aug 07, 2004 7:04 am

I think the 550EX is perhaps the best you can get to get maximum fuctionality/flexibility with the Canon 10D ... the 420 offers most of the capabilities, with a bit less power and less cost.

There are 3rd party models, but for "casual" shooting, the Canon models offer greatest automation & ease of use.

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RE: Good Flashes?

Sat Aug 07, 2004 7:05 am

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=164263&is=USA

I thoght it would be more expensive.

Is this really top of the line?

Is there anythign else I should know about these thigns?

Any other kind of equipment I'd need if I got this? Any kind of additional maintenence that I'd have to do or anything?

What kind of range does this have?

-Phil
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RE: Good Flashes?

Sat Aug 07, 2004 7:06 am

Phil

I believe firmly in the principle "buy the best stuff available", and although that principle does have its limits, I am going for the 550ex myself (150 bucks extra ain't that bad).

Wietse has been raving about it, so I can't fall behind now can I Smile

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RE: Good Flashes?

Sat Aug 07, 2004 7:07 am

Get rechargable batteries. This thing eats them. Guideline (100 ISO, 50mm) on this thing is 55 meters (hence the 550 EX, the 420 is 42 meters)

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RE: Good Flashes?

Sat Aug 07, 2004 7:16 am


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Another example of the 550EX.
Used flash cord, omni bounce and the 550 in high speed mode to get a little fill flash on the instrument panel.
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RE: Good Flashes?

Sat Aug 07, 2004 9:16 am

Go for the best Phil you will not regret it.


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Okay a different brand of camera that does't matter just get the best to suit your camera system.

I look forward to seeing the results of your new purchase soon.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Good Flashes?

Wed Aug 11, 2004 1:05 pm

Ok, so I went out and got myself the 550EX today at B&H. After tax and 4 AA batteries, I dropped about $360.

I had about 10 minutes ot teach myself how to use it before putting it to the test at the Intrepid Sea-Air-Space Museum, where the BA Concorde G-BOAD is stored.

There are aircraft inside and this was an ideal chance to play with the flash and aviation at the same time.



Eh, nothin great yet, but I'm excited. I came home and played with it for a bit.





I'm pretty excited. Thank you all for your input. I'll learn more and post some better stuff soon.

-Phil

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RE: Good Flashes?

Wed Aug 11, 2004 1:21 pm

Nice shots with the new speedlite Phil. Try this next time after shooting a photo of yourself in the mirror... rotate "horizontal" and you will put the text of your camera right, so it can be read, and not backwards.

Don't forget to check out the Omni-bounce kits. They are inexpensive and allow you to soften the light some when there isn't anything to bounce the flash off of.

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RE: Good Flashes?

Wed Aug 11, 2004 1:57 pm

Thanks, Jeff. I'll look into omni-bounce kits. Any recommendations on what to get. How much are they?

So tell me about flash cords. I guess I'll have to grab one. Price and what's good, if there are any differences.

-Phil
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RE: Good Flashes?

Wed Aug 11, 2004 6:09 pm

Just get the Canon Flash Cord. There are hardly any alternatives. (if any) I dont think there is much choice in which one to get. Bill (ExitRow) will know which one to get, since he has one. Nice shots, so you are walking around the house flashing everything huh?  Wink/being sarcastic
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RE: Good Flashes?

Wed Aug 11, 2004 6:47 pm

Hope your having fun with your new flashing abilities Phil!!!  Big thumbs up

Good choice on flash, i have one and it's really good! The omni bounce is a wicked addition as is the flash cord! I have lost my omni bounce tho, so B&H will be getting my business once more when im in NYC this october!!!

Enjoy the new flash Phil, it's great to have a play with long shutters and 2nd curtain sync!!!

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RE: Good Flashes?

Wed Aug 11, 2004 6:49 pm

Flash cords? What are they for? Doesn't Canon have cordless remote flash?  Wink/being sarcastic

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RE: Good Flashes?

Wed Aug 11, 2004 7:37 pm

With the St-E2 transmitter in the hot shoe you can use wireless flash as this device communicated with the flash via infrared. For those not wanting to stump up $300 and to have more flexibility most buy the flash cord which means you can hold the camera in one hand and flash in the other and point it where you want. Very handy for bouncing and such.

The other thing you can do is use the cord to connect the flash to a flash bracket! Most pro PJ's use this and it is a good way to get the flash away from the lens!

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RE: Good Flashes?

Wed Aug 11, 2004 8:16 pm

Hi Phil
The 500EX is an awesome flash and worth every cent with its flexibility and accuracy in difficult light.
Its simply amazing to walk into a totally blacked out room with not even slightest bit of light and take a pefectly exposed and focused frame.
The Canon flash system is amazing.
Spend the money you will be far from sorry.
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RE: Good Flashes?

Thu Aug 12, 2004 6:46 am

I paid something like 65 eu for the flash cord and 25 for the omni-bounce.
Let's say it will cost you another 100 buck hehe sorry
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RE: Good Flashes?

Fri Aug 13, 2004 2:22 am

So what's up with this flash cord:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=12972&is=REG



Also, for the omni bounce:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=89908&is=REG



There are other colors, too. Should I get those? The gold might be nice.



What do you folks think?

-Phil
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RE: Good Flashes?

Fri Aug 13, 2004 3:18 am

Phil,

Check these as well. I use the ProMax System, I think it ran about $30-40 bucks and comes with the inserts. Best thing is it folds flat, and comes with it's own case.

http://www.lumiquest.com/index.htm

I have an Omni as well, but I kind of like the softness I get with the ProMax.

http://www.lumiquest.com/lq931.htm

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RE: Good Flashes?

Fri Aug 13, 2004 3:42 am

Dude,

Get the clear stofen! The other one changes the color of the light!!!

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RE: Good Flashes?

Fri Aug 13, 2004 4:04 am

Phil, thinking about what you should buy made me order it as well.. I just put down my order for the Off shoe cord and the clear Sto-Fen Omnibounce. The lumniquest looks very, very nice, but in turbulent environments (clubs, where I shoot primarily) I dont think that it is that sturdy. The Omnibounce looks less fragile to me.

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RE: Good Flashes?

Fri Aug 13, 2004 4:22 am

Phil, one more advice, get one of these:



If you use the 550 on a cord, you will have to hold the camera+lens in one hand, it might not be a very secure grip... If you have one of these attached (you do have the grip right?) things will be far easier to handhold. I just bought one as well..

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RE: Good Flashes?

Fri Aug 13, 2004 4:31 am

Phil,

The off-shoe flash cord gives you more freedom and flexibility with where the light falls. When the flash is on the shoe facing forward, you tend to get a very bright, featureless illumination with no tonal range. With the flash off the shoe, you can angle the light giving a more "natural" look. To be honest, it's use in aviation photography is pretty minimal, but I have used it to bounce my flash in cockpits. For example:


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In the above shots, there wasn't enough room above me to bounce directly off the ceiling, so I hooked up the cord and held the flash, pointing up, just outside the frame. It also helped resolve reflections of the instrumentation.

As far as non-av uses... the only limit is your own creativity. All these were shot with the 550EX in manual mode with the off-shoe cord:

Flash held at 45 degree angle up at Brandon:


Flash pointed at the bass player BEHIND me.


Long exposure, rear-curtain flash pointed right at the bass strings and tattoos.


And damn Phil, you always flex like that when you shoot?  Big grin

I can see you've improved your technique Wietse. Nice work. Do you still have that bulging-eye/lens self-portrait?

Oh and I HIGHLY recommend the hand-strap for all off-shoe flash use. Your ring and index finger on the camera hand will sieze up on you without it...





[Edited 2004-08-12 21:39:53]
 
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RE: Good Flashes?

Fri Aug 13, 2004 4:55 am

"Do you still have that bulging-eye/lens self-portrait?"

I do, shall we expose ourselves? (that we are really aliens?)
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RE: Good Flashes?

Fri Aug 13, 2004 5:03 am

shall we expose ourselves?

Not sure what you mean by that seeing as you're from Amsterdam...

But anyway... sure.

 
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RE: Good Flashes?

Fri Aug 13, 2004 5:06 am

funny, thats the same look you wear down at the Airport Way glory hole, isn't it?
 
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RE: Good Flashes?

Fri Aug 13, 2004 5:07 am

You mean YOUR gloryhole Royal?

 
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RE: Good Flashes?

Fri Aug 13, 2004 5:08 am



We come in peace...
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RE: Good Flashes?

Fri Aug 13, 2004 5:11 am

C'mon... now EVERYBODY try it!

 
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RE: Good Flashes?

Fri Aug 13, 2004 5:13 am

my gloryhole is in YVR.

Read the comment Big grin


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RE: Good Flashes?

Fri Aug 13, 2004 5:47 am

HAHA. You folks know what glory holes are, right? ahhaa

William, my camera setup is heavy, cut me some slack. :-p

Gee, you guys are going to cost me a lot of money. Now I gotta get a cord, a bouncy thing and a strap. How about an entire wheeled-cart one-man-band setup so I could just roll around this setup? :-p

I can imagine getting last minute access to a cockpit and wanting to take a picture. I'd ask the pilot for about 49 minutes to set up the lens, flash, cords, straps and put on a condom becuase I'll certainly have to put in "extra work" for the hassle I'd be putting him through. haha

Thanks guys.

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RE: Good Flashes?

Fri Aug 13, 2004 5:57 am

Sure, its something you stick your lens in and get gratification on the other side of the fence Big grin
 
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RE: Good Flashes?

Fri Aug 13, 2004 6:12 am

You folks know what glory holes are, right?......and put on a condom because I'll certainly have to put in "extra work" for the hassle I'd be putting him through.

I guess that was a rhetorical question. haha


Reading this thread, my idea to slap my parents and spend five grand at BH sounded much better than it did the other day. The results Bill and Wietse have gotten are damn impressive, to say the least. I can only imagine how much of a miserable failure Phil will be.  Big grin

I'm feeling inspired. Cue the music.


Brian

[Edited 2004-08-12 23:14:39]
What the FUTT?
 
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RE: Good Flashes?

Fri Aug 13, 2004 6:18 am

Wow,
I would never do that...




-Jeff



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RE: Good Flashes?

Fri Aug 13, 2004 10:27 am

bwahahahahahah I have the biggest standard zoom of alll!!! mwahahahahaha....

Ok forgive me, I am drunk at the moment...

Bill, I found a great place for photography this night, we should go there whenever you get here, great ambient light and good bands.

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RE: Good Flashes?

Tue Aug 17, 2004 12:38 am

So that omni-bounce I showed a pic of and the shoe-cord are ok, right? Can you folks confirm that this is ok for me and good before I buy it?

And I can't find that strap thing anywhere. What's the name of it?

-Phil
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RE: Good Flashes?

Tue Aug 17, 2004 1:24 am

Phil, the strap is the E-1 Hand Strap. Made by Canon. And indeed, the things you "need" are the Sto-Fen Omnibounce (the clear one, not the gold) and the Canon Off Shoe Cord.

And forgive me for my stupid comment 2 posts above this one  Big grin
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RE: Good Flashes?

Tue Aug 17, 2004 1:51 am

Wietse -

Friends don't let friends post drunk.  Big grin
 
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RE: Good Flashes?

Tue Aug 17, 2004 2:20 am

Wow, I'm proud to say I've never done what Jeff and Weitse have done with their cameras...



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RE: Good Flashes?

Wed Aug 18, 2004 1:27 pm

ok, guys one more quick question before I head to B&H tomorrow.

The E-1 strap. Is that for the camera or for the flash?

I thought it was something that would allow the flash to hang off of my arm so I could have two hands on the camera. If it's for the camera, then it's no big deal because I'd still be holding it with one hand and I have no difficulty maintaining decent steadiness with one hand as it is. At least enough to where I think a strap would help.

I'm gettin this stuff tomorrow. Let me know guys!!  Smile

Thanks,

-Phil
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RE: Good Flashes?

Wed Aug 18, 2004 1:42 pm

Phil,
I don't have one, and don't feel the need for it either, but I believe it is for the camera body, not the flash. I am pretty sure it would work similar to the hand strap on the end of an accordian.

Don't for get to check out the

Lumiquest gear while your there.


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RE: Good Flashes?

Wed Aug 18, 2004 8:17 pm

Phil, yes, it is for the camera. I dont want one because I can not keep it steady with one hand, but when I am walking around in clubs with one hand on the flash, I dont feel save with everybody bumping in to me. I would feel better if the camera is in save hands..




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RE: Good Flashes?

Wed Aug 18, 2004 10:18 pm

Can you attach the E-1 and the neck strap or do you have to choose one of them?
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RE: Good Flashes?

Wed Aug 18, 2004 10:40 pm

Yes, you can add both to the top attachment, there is an extra loop to put the neck strap through. At least that is what I read somewhere. Let me confirm it for you when I get the E-1. Or we can wait till ExitRow reads this post  Smile
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RE: Good Flashes?

Wed Aug 18, 2004 10:49 pm

I got an E-1 strap recently, and was surprised how useful it is - makes one handed shooting a little easier should that be necessary, and gives you a very secure, but comfortable grip on the camera. I've never liked stuff hanging round my neck, so use this strap when walking around - its certainly safer then my usual "off the shoulder" carrying style.

Jan - yes you can attach both, but the instructions aren't very clear ... I had to find a website with some diagrams to do mine  Smile

Cheers,

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RE: Good Flashes?

Wed Aug 18, 2004 11:24 pm

Thanks guys!
Any chanse you have the url to that diagram Colin? Sounds complicated!  Laugh out loud
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RE: Good Flashes?

Wed Aug 18, 2004 11:52 pm





This guy put duct tape over the little loop to prevent scratching. But you need to put this on the strap, and then just loop the neck strap through it.

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RE: Good Flashes?

Wed Aug 18, 2004 11:55 pm

http://www.wildpicture.com/temppics/canonhandstrap.gif

And to top it off, the official Canon diagram for attaching it.
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RE: Good Flashes?

Thu Aug 19, 2004 12:01 am

Got it! Thanks Wietse!
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