Photographers,

I am very happy to announce that the first part of our new photographer administration tools will be released for testing.

The test pages will be available for photographers that have forum accounts (old, premium or First Class), and photos for sale.

Important: If you have been using several photographer names, or e-mail addresses, please e-mail a complete list to [email protected] with all your old names and e-mail addresses. Please use the subject "Photographer Names" in your e-mail, so I can sort them out easily.

If you currently use multiple names on the same e-mail, or same name with several email addresses, this has to be solved to be able to continue our development. Either we have to merge or separate the accounts.

Please log in here with your normal username and password:
https://www.airliners.net/myphotos/

Regards,
Henrik





[Edited 2004-08-19 23:35:00]

Thanks Henrik.

Good to see this coming together.


- Tom

Interesting, I sold some prints......but my photos are not for sale....strange? Any comments?

Andrew

Fantastic.Thank you.. 

lol that isnt making very much of a profit for me is it?

Photographer: Wietse de Graaf
You have sold a total of 83 prints.

Your earnings so far is:
4.04 GBP
2.00 EUR
1.76 USD



I am RICH!!!


EDIT:

But seriously though: this boils down to 0,02 dollar per photo. That is 2 cents!!! how can that be?? One will have to sell 2500 photos to get to the amount of 50 dollars.

[Edited 2004-08-20 00:12:46]

There is no way to implement a way to show what photos/products they bought?

[Edited 2004-08-20 00:14:31]

Thank you for the news. By the way, is it possible to include pictures in this print selling program when they are already on the database?

As Wietse said,

Is this accurate?

Photographer: Hisham Atallah

You have sold a total of 43 prints.

Your earnings so far is:
2.53 GBP
0.33 EUR
2.23 USD

0.33 EUR = 2.23 USD

The US is screwed! I'm getting the hell out of here  

It must be GBP+EUR+USD= your totals, right?
/JM

When you reach the total sum of 50 in any of the above currencies you will be prompted to fill in your PayPal e-mail address here. If you don't have a PayPal account already and you are getting close, it might good to sign up for one now.

I am assuming not Jan. Not from what I am reading here.

Would be interesting to know which of your photos has been sold... I was very interested to see I've earned 0.04 GBP. I would like to know how I earned this.  

John

Weird.
The amounts are not equal either..
4.04 GBP
2.00 EUR
1.76 USD

4.04 GBP is way more than 1.76 USD

/JM

So, you have like an account for each currency?
When either one hits 50 you withdraw that and the others keep climbing towards 50 and then you take that and so on?
/JM

haha, i've sold a whopping 8 prints so far!!!

i guess not bad, i think i only have 2 photos on the database that have the option to buy prints...i'm not planning to add any more either

When either one hits 50 you withdraw that and the others keep climbing towards 50 and then you take that and so on?

Sounds like it.

oh and I dont want to sound ungratefull, many thanks for getting this feature to work!!

/Wietse

"No photographer found connected to this user."

How do you connect user to photographer?

Hi all,

Many questions...

1. As you might have noticed we recently raised the prices on the printouts. This was because the profit was extremely low earlier. Expect the anmount per photo sold average to increase pretty much.

2. How much you earn depends per photo depends also on the size of the photo bought.

3. It is possible to buy photos paying in three currencies. The statistics are given to us separately, so GBP+EUR+USD=Total sum. This is correct.

4. Currencies will be paid out in different currencies, if possible (to reduce currency exchange rate errors). Then the amount will be paid out when one of the currencies exceeds 50.

5. There is no statistics on which photos are sold available for us. I chose to include the number of photos, since it might be interesting.

6. It will be possible for photographers to make photos available to buy, or have the option removed. This will be possible for either each photo individually or all of them.

7. Some of you who have had photos sold, even though you never chose this option. This was a bug in the databas standardizations tools, which was not originally fixed to be able to handle the photo print status. This has been fixed, and those of you not wanting to have photos for sale will be able to remove this, in case some still are for sale.

8. Use the same e-mail address in the forum as for your photos.

Regards,
Henrik

Henks,

Nice to see that this feature is now active, are there any other features which we may see in the next months?


Photographer: Tim Feise
You have sold a total of 149 prints.

Your earnings so far is:
10.96 GBP
0.89 EUR
4.81 USD

I now have enough money to buy a 20D  or almost...

Rgds,
Tim

Lol, thanks for the update Henks. My only issue is this..

Taken from the photo sales FAQ thread:

Payment is not made until the total owed to the photographer is £50 or more

This implies that it is paid when the total hits £50, as a total of all currencies. Yet, the stats page says:
When you reach the total sum of 50 in any of the above currencies you will be prompted to fill in your PayPal e-mail address here.

As I understand it, the type of currency you are credited for is based on where the photo is purchased from...and policy is now that once ONE of these values reaches 50, you will be paid. This seems to be a pretty large inconsistency...I don't make do sound like I am whining as I appreciate the update, but depending on exchange rates, it appears as though it in order to be paid, it could require nearly 3x as much as we thought it would when we originally checked the box to include our photos in the sales program. I for one thought that the photos bought from regions outside of the UK would be included in that value too...or maybe I am just understanding it incorrectly..I'm not worried, as I currently have sold .34 GBP (   ), but I was just wondering if you could further clarify. Thanks so much for your update.

Thanks  

well, this an interessting statistic indeed...

Never thought that I'll sell so much prints 

Photographer: Tobias Rose
You have sold a total of 216 prints.

Your earnings so far is:
24.01 GBP
3.16 EUR
5.17 USD

Tobi

Very interesting stuff and it's great to now be able to see this information.

I withdrew from the abovementioned project quite some time ago and I am absolutely amazed at how many prints people had purchased in the time I was involved. Incredible!

I'm grateful to each and every person that has found one of my images good enough to have printed - I am glad you have found them good enough to place in your office, room or collection. I take photo's because I enjoy aviation and photography, to know there are people there who like my work enough to purchase it is an honour.

Thank you airliners.net for offering this service to the people out there.

I assume this is when we checked the box marked "photo for sales" or whatever it said? Is there a way of post-unchecking them? I haven't tried, perhaps it's an easy process? These are pretty poor prices IMHO.....
Spencer.

6. It will be possible for photographers to make photos available to buy, or have the option removed. This will be possible for either each photo individually or all of them.

Could you please tell us how to do that Henrik?

Thanks,
Florian

Be patient Florian he wrote It will be so it will be announced once its implemented.

Sorry Peter, missed that little part, was just browsing over it. I'm rather tired....at 730am  

Photographer: Jorgos Tsambikakis

You have sold a total of 1 prints.

Your earnings so far is:
0.06 GBP
0.00 EUR
0.00 USD


What? As I remember, I didn't choose any pictures to be for sale. Now I did the search for my pictures which are for sale and there are eight of them?

Can somebody remove that feature from those photos?

-Joge

When I type in my name it comes up with no photographer connected to this user. Any idea why?

Hi Henrik

A quick question if I may.

Prior to withdrawing from the buy print service it appears I had sold quite a few. Having opted out my totals will now never reach 50 in any currency so how can I withdraw the amount that is presently in my so called account?

Thanks.

Henks said:

4. Currencies will be paid out in different currencies, if possible (to reduce currency exchange rate errors). Then the amount will be paid out when one of the currencies exceeds 50.

So all photographers who never get to this '50' over years will never get paid but Anet will be paid each month?

5. There is no statistics on which photos are sold available for us. I chose to include the number of photos, since it might be interesting.

Each photographer 'subvendor' stats are made available to Anet as they are to every printbutton vendor like myself

As an example of what information photobox supply (This is only the basic info) for one photographer at ATI this month

Month-Aug 2004
subvendor *** (This would be the photographers email or user name)
Total Sales This Month £136.44
Total Revenue This Month £66.17
Total Orders This Month 11

Much more detailed stats are available for 'each' sale to each subvendor and this information can and should be passed to each photographer

Will monies be paid to photographers who came out of the buy print option and will never reach this magic '50' pay out?

Derek Pedley

i made a £5.50 profit $10 i guess on one photo, if u sell it in right place on ebay, more time consumeing to do it on ebay but big profits

Photographer: Robin

You have sold a total of 132 prints.

Your earnings so far is:
12.70 GBP
0.34 EUR
1.83 USD

i ve decided to remove the buyoption some months ago, but now, as I am able to see how sales are working , I might rethink that decision.

Robin,

Looking at your stats you only have to sell 'just' another 368 prints and then you will then get paid your 50 GBP  


Derek Pedley

well derek,

u are right, I leave it, like it is .. , without the buyoption ... , anyway, it works better, with people adressing yourself via email ... , had some decent sells the last 2 months ...

Robin

.22EUR for 1 print... I suppose its better than a kick in the teeth

Thanx for this feature a.net   !!!!!

Could you make it a feature to be able to see which pictures have sold as photos and how many prints each photo?

That would be great  

Wow, good news for me, I never expected that many sales, even when, like others said, the amount oer photo is small.
So now I can test if part 2 (PayPal transfer) works too!

Konstantin


You have sold a total of 755 prints.

Your earnings so far is:
63.96 GBP
15.54 EUR
22.89 USD

without the buyoption ... , anyway, it works better, with people adressing yourself via email,

Or you could leave the buy option on and still have decent sells via email.  

Damn Konstantin! Do your recent photos still cary the print option? My recent photos are without that option, perhaps that dampened my sales statistics.

Wietse

Wietse, I think most of my photos have the option. If not, I forgot to tick the box during upload. I just don't hope any photos were used for commercial purposes, as the total profit of these 755 photos is still less than one average commercial deal...

Wietse / Konstantin

If you take Konstantin's stats and round them up to say 80 GBP and divide that by 755 print sales that still only comes to 10p per print - While your stats Wietse come out at 7p
Even if you say that every single sale was just a 6x4 print has Anet never made more than 20p per print?

I see Anet makes a profit now on 6x4 prints of .38p so the photographer should get 19p per print - but I can't remember what was charged before the price increases but for sure not many Anet photographers can expect to be paid on this scheme for a very long time if indeed ever

From the start this was to be a 50/50 partnership between the site and the photographers now after what is it 2 years maybe half a dozen people if that I bet will realise some money while Anet continue to receive money on every sold photographers print each month

Glad to be out of it!

Derek Pedley

I just don't hope any photos were used for commercial purposes, as the total profit of these 755 photos is still less than one average commercial deal...

I have been thinking about this also.

What if some some guy in advertising for a corporation thinks its ok to buy a cheap print, then use it in his advertising because he paid for it... As if he is free to use it in any matter he pleases.  

Derek,

I think you have raised some valid points here. The profits seem pretty dismal whilst the prices are pretty high. It seems as if the system you have shown with ATI is more rewarding though the market is probably slightly different.

I fail to see why the cut-off point has to be at 50€/£/$, why can't it be up to the photographer to choose when to have a transfer? Surely it can't be much more complicated to put into place considering that paypal money transfers between users are free.

Regards,
Tim

Hi

Same goes for me. I don't have any photos for sale, but I have sold 2. I find it strange. Do you get requests?

Cheers

Kenneth

What if some some guy in advertising for a corporation thinks its ok to buy a cheap print, then use it in his advertising because he paid for it

I think the conditions are pretty clear - or at least as clear as for use of any A.net image. In terms of quality, the rip-off artist would probably be better off using the original A.net image rather than scanning a print.

In terms of the pricing - comparing A.net and ATI we're looking at different markets I think. A.net perhaps being more for the small print collector, ATI more at large display prints.

I'm not going to comment on how the money is divided, but I think the big problem with the A.net pricing is that while in the UK its quite reasonable, for overseas sales, the postage ends up making up a disproportionate amount of the total cost - I think this is reflected in the currency breakdown of sales seen so far. Logic says the US would be the biggest market, but the postage costs are too off-putting.

On a more personal level, I was disappointed by the fact that A.net doesn't clearly differentiate between "normal" images and hi-res uploads. There should, I think, be some way of indicating that (assuming equal photographs) a hi-res print will be of much higher quality than a "standard" print - and indeed, possibly differential pricing should apply.

Cheers,

Colin

It goes without saying (BUT I will say it anyway) that Johan and his team have built this web site into an important, newsworthy, and FUN experience over the past many years.....
CONGRATS,
Mark

Hello guys,

Good work Henrik getting this up and running!

The stats you see are the stats we get from Photobox. Out of the money we get from Photobox 50% goes to the photographer and 50% to Airliners.net. Actually, some of you will get paid for sales that doesn't go through, meaning our cut will in the end be less that 50%.

Initially our prices were very low and the revenue per photo was small, especially for small prints. As we have increased the prices, the revenue per photo will increase in the future.

>as the total profit of these 755 photos is still less than
>one average commercial deal...

The photo print sales are for personal use only and that is why the prices are much lower than those you get from commercial use. The photo print feature is meant to be in addition to your normal commercial sales that you manage yourself.

Derek,

>Even if you say that every single sale was just a 6x4
>print has Anet never made more than 20p per print?

I don't know what you're trying to insinuate but the stats you see are the stats we get from Photobox. Airliners.net gives 50% to the photographer. Feel free to think we're screwing you but keep your wild accusation to yourself.

>half a dozen people if that I bet will realise some money while
>Anet continue to receive money on every sold photographers
>print each month

If you have made less that £50 (or € or $) and want to end the print sales via Airliners.net, the money we owe will be paid out even if it is less than 50. We do not have a system for this yet. As mentioned all over the place, this feature is still in beta testing and if you want everything to work smoothly, I suggest you wait and do not join until it is fully up and running.

>Much more detailed stats are available for 'each' sale to each
>subvendor and this information can and should be passed to each
>photographer

This information might be available on the Photobox admin pages but not via the direct interface we have to the Photobox servers where we download this information once a month. Due to the very high number of subvendor and photo sales, our servers automatically contact the Photobox servers and download the information. A feature giving the photographer more info about the exact photo sold and the print size etc would probably be of high interest to the photographer and thereby of high interest to Airliners.net (as a better service would make more photographer join giving us higher revenues).

Derek, this feature is still in beta testing and it does not deserve your harsh critique. You have no idea how hard we worked just to get the stats page up and running as it looks now. As you would probably understand if you gave it some thought, I am for every change that makes the photographer happy, including more features on the stats pages, increasing sales and revenues etc. But this feature is not finished yet. It will be improved upon continuously. I have nothing against constructive criticism but comments like "Glad to be out of it!" are uncalled for.

>I fail to see why the cut-off point has to be at 50€/£/$,
>why can't it be up to the photographer to choose when
>to have a transfer?

Simply because that would give us a heck of a lot of work. I do not want to spend my days making small payments to photographers and I do not want Henrik to spend his time with that either. It's better for us to make the payments once a month and only if the total is above 50. Also, PayPal transfers are not free (only with non commercial accounts) meaning the transfer fee percentage will be less if the sum is higher.

>I don't have any photos for sale, but I have sold 2. I find it strange

We are very sorry for that, it was caused by a bug in our system some time back. It is fixed and should not happen any more.

>A.net doesn't clearly differentiate between "normal"
>images and hi-res uploads.

This is definitely on the "to-do" list, please be patient.

>What if some some guy in advertising for a corporation
>thinks its ok to buy a cheap print, then use it in his
>advertising because he paid for it...

It is clearly stated on the sales pages that it is for personal use only. And as CKW pointed out, "the rip-off artist would probably be better off using the original A.net image rather than scanning a print.". Misuse is always a risk you take when publishing a photo.

Thanks,
Johan

Mmmmm...very interesting indeed!

My stats tell me I have some $40 due in total arising out of 130 print sales - this translates to about 31 cents a print, a total margin of some 62 cents per print on average.

I have it on good authority that my print sales have generated "a bit over $450 USD (sales including taxes)". This equates to an average per sale of $3.46 - which means that the a.net portion of this for each sale is only some 18% of the total order cost - could someone please confirm that these are the margins applied, and explain how this margin seems to differ widely across different photographers.

Unfortunately, in the absence of figures that stand up to scrutiny there will be many cries of "foul play". The onus is on this site to provide those figures on the basis you were entrusted with OUR money, money we are still waiting for some 2 years down the line. And as for this all still being in beta - perhaps directing more effort to this and less to another meaningless statistic might be a worthwhile approach.  

Also, since I already withdrew from this scheme, do I get paid now?  

Regards,
Dean

Photographer: Johan
You have sold a total of 302 prints.

Your earnings so far is:
40.73 GBP
16.28 EUR
20.52 USD

When you reach the total sum of 50 in any of the above currencies you will be prompted to fill in your PayPal e-mail address here. If you don't have a PayPal account already and you are getting close, it might good to sign up for one now.

So, just because I'm so lazy, could someone (...plz...) describe how this pay-pal stuff works, and how to get such an account...??

 
/Johan

Photographer: Dan Hamer
You have sold a total of 1 prints.

Your earnings so far is:
0.15 GBP
0.00 EUR
0.00 USD

LMAO