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draigonair
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Sigma 170-500mm...good? (quality)

Sat Oct 09, 2004 1:44 am

Hey guys

i might purchase this lens

Sigma 170-500mm for my Canon 300D.

Now what i want to ask is (i probably asked this to some people already but i want to make sure as im a student and dont have alot of money) this lens good? how is the quality? The AutoFocus, is it fast or slow? (compair to USI70-300mm)

let me know please, as i want to have a bit more zoom...

OR should i get a converter??? would this be beter quality? (and offcourse cheaper)

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RE: Sigma 170-500mm...good? (quality)

Sat Oct 09, 2004 2:01 am

Hi,
I just recently purchased this lens and am VERY happy with it. The focus can be actually faster than expected.

I have a few shots here taken by me and then one here taken by my friend Danny when he used my lens...we both have the 300D.


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Hope this helps!  Smile

Cameron Bowerman

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draigonair
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RE: Sigma 170-500mm...good? (quality)

Sat Oct 09, 2004 2:05 am

yeh excelent shot  Smile

is that AA headon shot full zoom???

cheers!

Nick de Jonge
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RE: Sigma 170-500mm...good? (quality)

Sat Oct 09, 2004 2:06 am

Yes, that AA headon is at 500mm.

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RE: Sigma 170-500mm...good? (quality)

Sat Oct 09, 2004 2:09 am

I know Gary Watt used to use it and I'm pretty sure Andy Hunt has one, might be worth sending them a quick email asking for their thoughts.

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RE: Sigma 170-500mm...good? (quality)

Sat Oct 09, 2004 2:30 am

Well worth the money. I used this lens for almost 3 years before I finally sold it and bought a "real lens".

Don't get me wrong, for the amount of money you spent, this is a great piece of equipment.

Mounted on a Canon 300D you are looking at almost 800mm. Prior to the digital era, no one was even coming close to 800mm except for Mark Garfinkel with his monster 600mm f4.

Go get it, you will be having fun with it.

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RE: Sigma 170-500mm...good? (quality)

Sat Oct 09, 2004 2:55 am

Hey Nick,

I've used both the 170-500 and I currently use the "Bigma" 50-500mm ...

imho, if you can spend the little bit more, get the 50-500. The advantages are:

- USM focusses smoother, quieter and faster
- Maybe just the copy I've got, but the bigma is sharper at 500mm
- Bigma has better build quality
- I've used the 50-170 range often ... (can't do that with the 170-500)
- hence versatility

I'm not sure about availability in Holland, but here in the States you can pick up a good used copy of the Bigma for $600 ..... (see Fredmiranda buy & sell)

Hope this helps .... Shaun
 
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RE: Sigma 170-500mm...good? (quality)

Sat Oct 09, 2004 4:27 am

I just bought one yesterday and its being power by a Canon 10D.... can't wait to use it.... both are used!

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RE: Sigma 170-500mm...good? (quality)

Sat Oct 09, 2004 6:26 am

Hey guys

thanks for the kind reply!

Shaun: So 50-500 better quality? hmm i will probably check it out then...because if its better quality and only costs a bit more then offcourse i will try and get it

Gary Watt already told me (and some other photographer) that he is very satisfied with the lens...

so now i will really start looking to buy one and get some nice reall close action shots at EHAM  Smile

cheers guys!
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RE: Sigma 170-500mm...good? (quality)

Sat Oct 09, 2004 6:56 am

Nick, two examples of mine taken at Full Zoom 500mm with the Bigma 50-500!

.....check for the sharpness in the details ... pretty good for a non-L glass ... Nuts


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RE: Sigma 170-500mm...good? (quality)

Sat Oct 09, 2004 11:51 am

Hey man, thanks for the plug  Big grin That AA was taken at 500mm, handheld at 1/250th and ISO 400...and Cameron is right, the AF is actually quite fast on it, not a bad lens at all...

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RE: Sigma 170-500mm...good? (quality)

Sat Oct 09, 2004 12:07 pm

the 50-500 is known as a "contrasty" lens. If you frequently shoot in grey/overcast weather you might want to do some tests before you commit.
 
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RE: Sigma 170-500mm...good? (quality)

Sat Oct 09, 2004 12:33 pm

I am going to ask a really stupid question.

What is the lowest F-stop this lens can handle? All the way out at 500mm I bet you are going to be struggling for F8... I guess if you are on a budget then take what you can get.
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RE: Sigma 170-500mm...good? (quality)

Sat Oct 09, 2004 5:02 pm

Check the specs:

for the 170-500: f5.6- f6.3, is not great but mounted on a DLSR you still should be fine.
It is not a prime lens thus affordable. if you want f2.8 all the way, you are looking at 10 times the money

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RE: Sigma 170-500mm...good? (quality)

Sun Oct 10, 2004 11:35 pm

so for the final word...for quality and performace which would be beter?

Sigma 50-500mm

Sigma 170-500mm

dont mind about the price just want to know which is better

cheers!!

Nick
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RE: Sigma 170-500mm...good? (quality)

Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:56 am

I've used a 170-500 and think its a brilliant lens. Not very heavy, slow on the focus, but pretty good sharpness and color. For the same price as a 50-500, you can pick up a used 170-500 and 70-200 2.8 combo, which I think is a better deal -- the sigma 70-200 is TACK sharp and gives you F2.8 for low light, while the 170-500 remains as your long arm that won't tire your arm as much as the bigma would. Its a tradeoff in versatility... the 50-500 is a slow lens but it's got pretty much all the focal length you need in one lens, while the afforementioned combo has a similar range, but up to 200mm, you get F2.8. In my eyes, its easier to re-compose a photo given the lens you have mounted at the moment than it is to try and get a decently exposed, focused shot in the evening.

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RE: Sigma 170-500mm...good? (quality)

Tue Oct 12, 2004 2:10 am

I guses another valid question.. Are airplanes the only thing you take pictures of?

If yes then the lower stops don't matter as much. If you have some sort of a photo-related job where you might need to go take pictures of sporting events, fire scenes, or the ever popular grip and grin stuff then the lower F-stops start to become an issue.
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RE: Sigma 170-500mm...good? (quality)

Tue Oct 12, 2004 5:17 am

Not only airplanes but i have to confess that is usually ends up with something flying, don't know why that is Big grin



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draigonair
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RE: Sigma 170-500mm...good? (quality)

Tue Oct 12, 2004 6:38 am

haha nice pic Big grin

wel i mostly will use it for Spotting...but sometimes for scenery...

do you guys think it would be smatter to get the 170-500mm??? (since i already have 18-50mm and 70-300mm both Canon lens)

let me know

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Nick
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RE: Sigma 170-500mm...good? (quality)

Tue Oct 12, 2004 7:24 pm

Aha!!! A Plugging opportunity!!!! (Kidding!  Wink/being sarcastic )

Nick,

I use a Sigma 170-500 with my venerable D30. In my opinion I think it's a cracking lens for the money. Here are just a few examples but please feel free to peruse any of my other shots ( I always try to list what lens was used)

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If you ahve any other questions then please fire away... always happy to discuss!

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draigonair
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RE: Sigma 170-500mm...good? (quality)

Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:27 am

yeh Rez those are sweet shots :P

all full 500mm zoom? I think for me that would be the best option...because i already have a 70-500mm lens and a 18-50mm lens so a 170-500mm lens would be great...

cheers!

now i have to save some money Big grin

Nick
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RE: Sigma 170-500mm...good? (quality)

Wed Oct 13, 2004 1:43 am

Hi Nick,

All those shots are at the 500mm end of the range. I've not used the 50-500 Sigma but if I'd had the money I would probably have gone for that lens just for the versatility of the 10x multiplication. As it is I have a Canon 28-80 and a 75-300 USM III and have recently added Sigma's budget 18-50 to the collection. All good jobbing lenses with no real stars amongst them with the exception of my beloved 'Bigma'!  Wink/being sarcastic

I bought mine off ebay from a Hong Kong based seller with the ebay ID of DigitalRev. Save £140 off UK retail prices and that's after shipping & import duties had been paid. Warranty is not a problem either as my lens was repaired under warranty by Sigma UK without question.

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RE: Sigma 170-500mm...good? (quality)

Wed Oct 13, 2004 2:03 am

Where would be the best place to find a used Lens, I am also interested in purchasing a Sigma 175-500 or 50-500


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RE: Sigma 170-500mm...good? (quality)

Wed Oct 13, 2004 2:15 am

A good camera shop, an online camera shop or ebay.... I'd buy new however.

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RE: Sigma 170-500mm...good? (quality)

Wed Oct 13, 2004 3:22 am

Eric, don't hesitate to buy from here .... good community ...

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/139542

oh....and BTW .... for those doubting the Bigma's low light capabilities  Yeah sure ....


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RE: Sigma 170-500mm...good? (quality)

Wed Oct 13, 2004 4:05 am

So price aside, at 500mm full zoom which would be better 170-500mm or 50-500mm thats what i want to know

Which is better (500mm zoom)
-focusing speed
-quality

im still in doubt in which one i should choose!! :S

haha i hope i can make up my mind  Smile

let me know

cheers

p.s i also have been checking Ebay, but Holland's import is a big hassel and would have to pay lots of money...but i would still be cheaper though  Smile
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RE: Sigma 170-500mm...good? (quality)

Wed Oct 13, 2004 5:13 am

Wait a bit longer and the don't have a choice anymore  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
The 170-500 is no longer in production and might not be available anymore by the time you have made up your mind.

http://www.kamera-express.nl/shop.asp?shop=ANALOOG&categorie=9&merk=32

http://www.foto-konijnenberg.nl/

The price difference is about 300,- EU.

My personal preference would be a 100-300/4.0EX which is 100 EU cheaper then the 50-500 but in my view a bit better because it has an internal zoom mechanism(it does not extend or shorten while zooming) and is as fast as the 70-200/2.8EX and the remaining money(and a little extra) would be used for a 1.4 TC.

May the gods bless your choice hehe
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draigonair
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RE: Sigma 170-500mm...good? (quality)

Wed Oct 13, 2004 5:51 am

haha yeh im gonna choose very fast
i think the 170-500mm may be the best....

but which one :S
(have same price)

sigma 170-500/5,0-6.3 naf, apo asf
sigma 170-500/5,0-6.3 paf, apo asf
sigma 170-500/5,0-6.3 saf, apo asf
sigma 170-500/5-6.3 maf, apo asf

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RE: Sigma 170-500mm...good? (quality)

Wed Oct 13, 2004 6:29 am

Konijnenberg:
Sigma AF 100-300/4.0 APO EX (HSM) ø 105mm € 875.00
Sigma AF 170-500/5.0-6.3 APO Asf. ø 86mm € 649.00
Sigma AF 50-500/4.0-6.3 EX APO (HSM) ø 86mm € 975.00

Kamera-express:
sigma 100-300/4.0 ex caf, apo if hsm € 885,00
sigma 170-500/5,0-6.3 caf, apo asf € 669,00
sigma 50-500/4-6.3 ex caf, apo hsm € 969,00

caf stands for Canon Auto Focus !

Best of luck

Willem
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RE: Sigma 170-500mm...good? (quality)

Wed Oct 13, 2004 6:34 am

naf = Nikon Autofocus
paf = Pentax Autofocus
saf = Sigma Autofocus
maf = Minolta Autofocus
caf = Canon Autofocus

You shoot Canon... can you tell which one you should buy yet?  Wink/being sarcastic

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RE: Sigma 170-500mm...good? (quality)

Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:02 am

rez:

thanks mate Big grin aahh i think i can choose now....now next step, get the money haha nah i have it but just waiting to find the cheapest Big grin

cheers!

Nick
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RE: Sigma 170-500mm...good? (quality)

Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:44 am

ok i found one which i like

Sigma 170-500mm 1:5-6,3 RF APO Aspherical for Canon EOS

sound good?

and RF what does that stand for?
AF offcourse Auto Focus but RF?

cheers Nick

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RE: Sigma 170-500mm...good? (quality)

Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:47 am

Nick, as far as I know they're all the same  Smile
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RE: Sigma 170-500mm...good? (quality)

Fri Oct 15, 2004 4:32 am

Probably Rear Focus Nick.
Still i think you should reconsider and go for the 50-500EX hsm or my other option of course.
I found out that the 170-500 is very much like my old 135-400 which means damn slow.

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