A2A,

Dont get drawn into any of the petty squabbles that go on, we loose to many good guys that way. What you need to remember is that they know much more than you, even though you were the one taking the shot  

Paul

In his profile he calls himself Ned Dawson, surely no relation to the infamous Neville Dawson-an air to air photographer from Auckland?  


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Hope I haven't rekindled any bad memories with this post. 




Matt

Like i said mate the shots are great but given how strict the site is i am surprised they made it through without a badinfo reject.
A completely incorrect comment about the operator and unit deserves to be corrected especially for photo's of this quality.
If you feel that labeling a NASA aircraft USAF and calling the 9th SRW a Squadron is ok go right ahead you can write what you want.
Generally though when it comes to photo's most people would prefer accurate info rather than getting the operator and unit incorrect.
And as you found out it probably took about 2 mins to get it right.
I also don't think i made any comments about the exact date being required or wanted for that matter other than linking it to being after 1990 hence it was impossible to be a 9th SRW USAF aircraft.
Once again great photo's and i look forward to seeing some more of your stuff here of the Habu.
I think Blair was actually in an excellent doco on the SR71 as well and he was in the last 8 guys to fly the aircraft while NASA was doing the tests out of Edwards.

Seeya
Darren

Qantas744 - Yes the same one  

Ned has always been my nickname and I still use it, sort of after the old Ned Kelly.

No doubt there are still a few of the old crowd I pissed off before but hey you cant please everyone all of the time can you.

Ned

when it comes to photo's most people would prefer accurate info rather than getting the operator and unit incorrect.

....give a good photo and wrong info over a dull photo and correct info any day 

having said that, it does annoy me when I see photo's of UK "G-****" registrations with incomplete (no c.n) or inaccurate data (wrong operator) as there is no excuse when we have the excellent online CAA database .

Dehowie - Have made the corrections through the corrections menu so hopefully it will be updated. In reference to the info I had, it was given to me at the time by Tom and Blair so I had no reason to doubt it. Obviously they meant they were still attached to the Beale unit but the Sled was attached to NASA. In addition the images I have uploaded show it still with the USAF markings and CTA (Switzerland)">BB on the tail, there were no NASA markings on it anywhere.

Air2Air.

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Air2Air:

The photos are great, unique stuff that has to be seen in this database. No doubt. So please keep uploading here.

About the F15 photo I didn't realise at all it was unleveled..I didn't care about that! Try the 'reupload' function as here above one said. Do not remove anything please....

I understand Luis point of view but I think no all the photos have to be screened by same 'eyes'. I remember, recently, a Virgin 340 landing at LHR...the quality was very very bad but deserved to be in the database...

Here is my vote and to say you're in my reapected users already

All the best

Enrique

Okay guys, let's make this simple. Air2Air shoots absolutely stunning photos, no if's, and's or but's about it! They are stunning quality, and unique in more than one way! They sure as hell beat anything I can or will ever submit, and I admire anyone that has the opportunities and access that this guy obviously has! Truth be told, he doesn't have to share any of these with anyone. I have no problem whatsoever seeing this stunning work that has been put into these photos. I might give someone a hard time in jest for having such access, opportunity, and equipment, but that's only because I know I do not have such luck!   I'll reiterate one other thing. Some photos do tend to have one standard or another "overlooked". What I mean by that is if it's THAT good--as these clearly are--then to hell with making certain that everything is exactly perfect like leveling or lighting. The photos should stay, people should just quit bitching because there are people that take better pictures than others...and that is that (so much for simple!).  

James,

Same standard....... that's never been the case with screening.

Photos range from common through to rare and important.
The screening method and requirements changes between the two.

It's a common known fact that an extremely rare, albeit lower quality shot is likely to be accepted where a marginal common shot of yet another BA A320 might be rejected.

If it's an everyday shot, take your time in making it perfect.
I think that if it's an everyday shot, you have to ask yourself why you're uploading it.

I still recommend..... (for the digital shooters)

Take 200-1,000 shots on a day if you feel like it
Choose your best 50
Take the best 20 from these
Edit them and self screen....
Maybe you end up with 10 good ones.... 5 great ones
Upload the 5 great ones that are perfect edits and not that rare, chances are they'll be accepted

5 uploaded shots from one day.
Not bad  

Glenn

I actually had 8 from one day accepted once...at least I think they were from the same day. Man was I friggin surprised!!   LOL

Glenn,

That viewpoint is admittedly more to do with the way I've trained myself to work. I've never thought of the process any other way, but then again I've not (so far) been in a situation to capture anything out of the ordinary.

I also enjoy editing as much as the shot itself, but I appreciate that's probably just me.

Cheers


James

I took 800 photos last weekend, i have about 5 or 6 which I will actually deem good enough for addition...

In regards to Air2Air, im just wondering how long is it before he deletes all his shots because of a rejection.

They happen all the time and to the best of us. Its not meant to be an insult, just the way that this particular website is run

So what are the complaints about the horizon about ?
Mirage complains about a bad horizon. When we get a rejection for bad vertical it says something like, check a known vertical. The F15 photo is full of them, the skyscrapers and mostly spot on. There are many examples of aircraft being tilted a bit for effect on the database when there are no reference verticals, and these are often obvious. They are annoying and you won't have to look too hard to find some, particularly oversteep take-offs.
These photographs from Air2Air are stunning, leave them alone !
They are photograhs first, aviation photographs second. I love to see the photographs on airliners.net they can be appreciated that way, not just by the aviation nuts we mainly are. I actually feel that there are not enough of them on the database. Perhaps a different category for us to exercise our creative skills might be an idea. Don't expect many from me, I'm not that good at it but I bet we would all be surprised.
The lower standards for the rare shots are there for all to see - a lot of mine fit that bill, some where the quality is positively poor.
But just look at the aircraft, most of which are now our Coke or beer cans !
I look forward to seeing more from Air2air
Mick Bajcar

Actually KaddyUK I have had quite a number rejected recently if you care to check the stats. I see it didnt take long for someone to throw in the low blow. Still thats your choice, go for it.

Air2Air.

Air2Air - great shots, providing some wonderful interest and diversity.

Keep 'em coming and (to quote a famous MP)... don't let the buggers grind you down.

Tamsin (a.net screening team)

I didnt throw a "Low Blow" I threw the truth...

If you cant handle that then thats your prerogative... Need I remind you of The following

Great pics BTW, Keep em coming   **thumbs up**

KaddyUK - Amazing how you say you didnt throw a low blow (my terminology) by making that comment, and then you go ahead and insert a link to a thread from the past, and on a different site, and from back in the beginning of 2003, nearly two years ago, which can only have detrimental effect to me. But again thats your decision and you obviously have an issue with me, as you just showed by trying to influence other members here by creating the link to that past conflict. Not even going to bother commenting on that old thread other than to say the consistency of the screeners there was from one extreme to the other, and when I pointed that out to certain persons they took exception to it. What you didnt see was the emails I received from Kilroy attacking me for even questioning them about their screening process, but you judge me as you will.

And Yes I will keep on uploading images. If the screeners include them great, if they dont then thats life, but you know what dragging up dirt from the past is unprofessional, and you are welcome to have whatever opinion of me you wish.

Air2Air.

P.S. Who said I cant handle it, am happy to accept all criticism. If you are levelling it at me, then its not going to someone else. And for the record the quality of imagery on Jet Photos doesnt even come close to the standard of photography on Airliners.Net

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I thought that July was the 6th month of the year, so that would make it 18 months ago... Not 24. Regardless of how long ago it was, you still show characteristics now that you did then...

Anyways to drop this topic as I do look at your photos and i wouldnt like them to dissapear. Its the photo that matters and not who took it...

I thought that July was the 6th month of the year, so that would make it 18 months ago... Not 24. Regardless of how long ago it was, you still show characteristics now that you did then...

July is actually the 7th Month of the year as far as I know  

Kaddyuk - Elaborate on these 'characteristics' I still show then since you decided to bring it up. If you are referring to the image that the horizon is not level then you will also notice that I suggested the screeners remove it and I will reupload it when I get the chance. I explained to the poster that I concentrate on shooting the aircraft when I am airborne, not worrying about the background so much or the horizon. My philosophy is when I am flying in aircraft such as F-18s that run around $10K USD an hour I am obligated to get spectacular images showcasing their product, not worry about whether the horizon is level or not.

In reference to the SR71 info that was incorrect I again pointed out as I am primarily a photographer and not a statitician, I dont really have a lot of interest in the exact minute details of every aircraft I have taken a photo of. He said if I looked at that SR71 website I could have got the info I needed, however until he mentioned that website I had never even heard of the site, as I have never needed to. Some people are anal about getting all the right stats on an aircraft, some people are anal about having the horizon level, me I am anal about capturing the aircraft in the best possible angle that has that wow factor, so its each to his own. But I dont go having a shot at someone just because they got something wrong.

The one thing everyone must always remember is that emails and forum posts are sometimes the most often misunderstood or misinterpreted forms of communication because if you ask ten people what the writer meant to say in the message, you will get ten different answers. I say my piece short, sharp and sometimes blunt, but its just the way I write my messages. Does it piss people off, obviously. But does it really matter in the big picture, not really. Ask those that know me in person. I will do anything for anyone and have often invited other photographers along on my photo shoots. The only way anyone gets better is to practise and I for one always try and encourage other photographers.

Anyway enough of my rave - you are welcome to judge me as you wish, and you will. But I would say dont always judge a book by its cover, people are not always what they seem.

Air2Air.

Air2Air

I hope you haven't been too offended by what's going on.

I don't want to get involved with it but I would like to say that I agree with what you said in your last post. Its photographers like yourself that inspire amatures like me to contine taking photo's and strive for those so called wow factors, to capture that immage that just blows you away.

I hope you continue to post more photo's on the net, I certainly enjoy what I've seen and hope that one day I can avail of your advice on photography.

Good luck  

Fergul  

Maybe the way you went off at Darren is what he's refering to.
Gota love the *ss lickers...Always amusing lol  

Simply WOW!!


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A pleasure to see these photos Paul..

Actually these are a kind of photos in hands of a few..Ernie Viscupic, Mariusz Adamski, Mike Jorgensen, Lassi Tolvanen....
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Cheers

The AF unit involved in the effort to recreate an operational SR-71 capability was called Det 2, 9th Recon Wing.

Great bunch of shots, Ned. Remember though, if the pressure of dealing with our occasionally less-than-harmonious A.Net community gets to be too great, you can always join most of the rest of us in inconspicuous mediocrity!

Sorry...not Paul but Ned..