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airlinelover
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Nikon D50, D70, D80, D200. Please Help Me Compare

Sun Sep 17, 2006 12:32 pm

Well, I'm finally saving up money for a DSLR.. As I already ahve Nikon equipment, I'm looking at 3 models..

The D50, D70, D80, and D200.

The D50 is 6.2 mp... Not too sure how good it is..

The D70, I know, is older technology. I think 6 mp... But can get one at a good price.

The D80, brand-spanking new, 10.2 mp, can get body only for ~$1000.

I don't know much about the D200.. Anyone?

Thanks

Chris

[Edited 2006-09-17 05:33:22]

[Edited 2006-09-17 05:36:08]
 
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RE: Nikon D70, D80, D200. Please Help Me Compare

Sun Sep 17, 2006 12:35 pm

Go to www.kenrockwell.com. He has recently posted a comparison of D80 and D200 that also discusses the D70.

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RE: Nikon D50, D70, D80, D200. Please Help Me Compare

Sun Sep 17, 2006 12:42 pm

VEry interesting site. Thanks  Smile

One thing I don't understand, Does the D80 allow for manual focusing of lenses? My N65 has the ability to switch from auto to manual, but I Can't tell if the D80 does...

Chris
 
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RE: Nikon D50, D70, D80, D200. Please Help Me Comp

Sun Sep 17, 2006 12:46 pm

Quoting Airlinelover (Reply 2):
One thing I don't understand, Does the D80 allow for manual focusing of lenses? My N65 has the ability to switch from auto to manual, but I Can't tell if the D80 does...

Unlesss Nikon lives in its own little SLR universe (which is entirely possible), I believe that's a function found on the lens.  Smile
 
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RE: Nikon D50, D70, D80, D200. Please Help Me Compare

Sun Sep 17, 2006 12:48 pm

AC773- nope. with my N65, it's all on the camera body.

I know some setups have it on the lens..

Chris
 
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RE: Nikon D50, D70, D80, D200. Please Help Me Compare

Sun Sep 17, 2006 1:54 pm

Also check www.dpreview.com
 
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RE: Nikon D50, D70, D80, D200. Please Help Me Comp

Sun Sep 17, 2006 2:09 pm

Quoting Airlinelover (Reply 2):
One thing I don't understand, Does the D80 allow for manual focusing of lenses? My N65 has the ability to switch from auto to manual, but I Can't tell if the D80 does...

Yes. And if you have an AF-S lens you can do it on the fly. As mentioned above check out the reviews/previews on dpreview.com and decide which functions/features are most important to you and which of the 4 bodies have what you need/want. Any of them are capable of producing exceptional photographs in the right hands.

Mike
 
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RE: Nikon D50, D70, D80, D200. Please Help Me Compare

Sun Sep 17, 2006 2:57 pm

Quoting JeffM (Reply 7):

. . . ..1. . ....2. . ....3.... . .......4

Fine :-p I forgot the D50. then added it in. it's almost 2am and I'm exhausted, waiting for laundry to be done.

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RE: Nikon D50, D70, D80, D200. Please Help Me Comp

Sun Sep 17, 2006 4:14 pm

Hi Chris  Smile

You forgot about the D70s, which has a slightly bigger LCD (1.8" vs. 2.0") compared to the D70.

The D200 shouldn't be more than 1.5x the price of the D80. It's larger, heavier, faster (at least in terms of frames per second), larger buffer memory. And of course, note that the D80 and D50 are using SD card, where as the D70/D70s and D200 are using CF card. First, ask yourself what you're going to need it for (I know your answer will be "spotting"  Wink) and then think about it again. I would probably go for the D200 if I had the money/need to buy a new camera. If you think that 6 million pixels is enough, go for the D70 or D70s. It may be handy to get the D70(s) and once you want to upgrade your equipment one day, let's say to the D200, you can still use the same memory cards.

Then again, with the difference you would have to pay between the D70, D80 and D200, you might want to have a look for a new lens, memory cards, etc...

-Joge
 
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RE: Nikon D50, D70, D80, D200. Please Help Me Compare

Sun Sep 17, 2006 4:34 pm

Quoting JeffM (Reply 7):
. . ..1. . ....2. . ....3.... . .......4

Theres always one...........Jeff Big grin

Personally I would go for the D200, but that would depend on your level of experience and uses. It's morre of a semi-pro than total amateur. I currently use a D70 and would move up like a shot if I could.

Whatever body you get, go for the best lens you can afford. With the right lens you can do almost anything.

Andy  old 
 
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RE: Nikon D50, D70, D80, D200. Please Help Me Compare

Sun Sep 17, 2006 6:51 pm

I'm very happy with the D200....previously used the D70, the D200 is certainly a step up in quality....but you always have to weigh up cost as well.

Conclusion : If you can afford the D200, go for it!

Regards

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RE: Nikon D50, D70, D80, D200. Please Help Me Compare

Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:18 pm

10 megapixels are better than 6. Some people will disagree but megapixels matter if you're shooting at extreme range and can't fill the frame with your subject, and megapixels will matter a lot if you take photos for print publishing.

I'm not saying mps should count above all else of course - just that they are worth considering too.

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RE: Nikon D50, D70, D80, D200. Please Help Me Compare

Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:21 pm

If you can afford the D200 there should be no contest.
If you can afford either the D70s or D80 it's tougher. D80 is more capable but more expensive, and as said uses the more flimsy (easier to damage) SD cards.
Not a problem if you put in one card and hardly ever need to swap them, but if you're a regular cardswapper you don't want them.

D50 is only to be considered if you can't afford any of the others and still buy some decent lenses.

I like my D200 very much.
I tried a D70s in the store here and didn't care for the tiny viewfinder (which is larger than the one on the D50).
The next generation sensor on the D200 is also superior to the one on the D70s (which is also used on the D50).
D80 AFAIK uses the same sensor (or a very similar one) to the D200, but is fitted with cheaper less capable components elsewhere to reduce cost, weight, and size.

To compare with film models:
Think of the D200 as the F100, D80 as F80/N80, D70 as F65/N65, and D50 as F55/N55.
 
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RE: Nikon D50, D70, D80, D200. Please Help Me Compare

Sun Sep 17, 2006 10:02 pm

Everyone so far has made some really good points. I shoot with the D70 and have since Dec 2004. So far I have shot just under 12,000 photos with the D70 and have had no problems what so ever. I have tried the D70S in stores and do like that fact that it is lighter than the D70. Unfortunately I have not had the chance to pick up a D80 or D200 to play around with. The quality and functionality of the D70 is great for any type of photography, plus the price is reasonable. I would also agree with the comments about memory cards. I would prefer to use the compactflash cards over the SD ones.

My recommendations would be to go with the D200 if you can afford it. After that probably look at the D80 then step down to the D70S/D70.
 
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RE: Nikon D50, D70, D80, D200. Please Help Me Compare

Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:16 am

Quoting Avsfan (Reply 14):
Unfortunately I have not had the chance to pick up a D80 or D200 to play around with.

Lucky you, because once you pickup the D200 you'll look at your D70 like it was a toy  Wink I loved my D70 and it's a fine fine camera but darn this D200 just feels great in your hands.

Mike
 
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RE: Nikon D50, D70, D80, D200. Please Help Me Compare

Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:33 am

I'll probably go for the D80 once I get the $ for it. D200 would take me even more time to save up for. The SD card thing isn't a big issue to me..

Thanks all, for the thoughts. Of course, if anyone else has thoughts PLEASE share  Smile

Chris
 
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RE: Nikon D50, D70, D80, D200. Please Help Me Compare

Sun Sep 24, 2006 7:59 am

Quoting Airlinelover (Reply 15):
I'll probably go for the D80 once I get the $ for it. D200 would take me even more time to save up for. The SD card thing isn't a big issue to me..

I got a D80 last week but haven't done much with it yet. I still have a D70. 10 mega-pixels is great but has a slight disadvantage in that you need a larger capacity memory card. However, the price of cards is lot lower than it was a couple of years ago. I got a 2 Gig card for under $70 Canadian. I don't find the SD card all that flimsy.
There are several improvements over the D70 - one of them is the fact that can get 100 ISO instead of the 70's 200. You have 6 choices, including 125 and 160 ISO. I have only found one slightly irritating feature. Nikon have used a new version of their NEF (RAW) format which is not compatible with Nikon View which I have been using to convert images to JPG. Neither is it compatible with my Photoshop Elements 2.
 
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RE: Nikon D50, D70, D80, D200. Please Help Me Compare

Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:16 pm

I own the D50 and the D80. I have used the D70 for a couple of weeks (borrowed), and am considering upgrading to the D200.

D50: Great little camera for the price, has most everything that a budding photographer would want and is well built and organized.

D70: Released before the D50 so it doesn't have as many refinements as the D50. I simply don't like this camera as much as the D50 or the D80. It is a good camera, just not as refined as the D50 or D80.

D80: The Dpreview review says it best, the camera is a photographers dream. My only gripes (apart from professional features) are minor ones.

D200: Unless you need a particular feature over the D80 like I do (I need more FPS, and a release terminal compatible with a pocket wizard), get the D80 and spend the money on lens or other items.

That being said, I don't see myself ditching my D50 for quite a while, I would still want two cameras on me when my D200 is being used as a remote.
 
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RE: Nikon D50, D70, D80, D200. Please Help Me Compare

Sun Sep 24, 2006 5:00 pm

Quoting Olympus69 (Reply 16):
I have only found one slightly irritating feature. Nikon have used a new version of their NEF (RAW) format which is not compatible with Nikon View which I have been using to convert images to JPG. Neither is it compatible with my Photoshop Elements 2.

That's why Nikon ships new software with the camera...
And if not already possible with ACR 3.3, Adobe is likely to release a new ACR version soon.
Pretty much every camera released has a different RAW format, it always takes some time for manufacturers of RAW converters to release updates.
 
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RE: Nikon D50, D70, D80, D200. Please Help Me Compare

Sun Sep 24, 2006 6:04 pm

I recently upgraded from a D70S to a D80.

I suppose the change is not that great though I have to say I enjoy the D80 more. Images are larger which gives me a little more room for error. Additionally, the camera supports ISO 100 and starts up faster which is very nice for when something sneaks up on me.

I have one gripe though - the freaking camera does not count the 'remaining' pictures properly with my 4GB card. For every 1 picture it says I have remaining I really have two.... go figure.
 
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RE: Nikon D50, D70, D80, D200. Please Help Me Compare

Mon Sep 25, 2006 12:58 am

Quoting Domokun (Reply 19):
I have one gripe though - the freaking camera does not count the 'remaining' pictures properly with my 4GB card. For every 1 picture it says I have remaining I really have two.... go figure

If you're shooting compressed RAWs, it was the same with the D70. The camera does not know the exact size of the compressed RAW (until after it's taken) so it uses the average size of a uncompressed RAW as a guage. I never really found it to be a problem but then again, I hardly ever look at the pic counter unless it's in the low teens. By that time I just swap cards anyway.

Mike
 
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RE: Nikon D50, D70, D80, D200. Please Help Me Compare

Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:24 am

Quoting AndyHunt (Reply 10):
If you can afford the D200, go for it!

Definitely worth the money; good image quality, fast, good ergonomics, large LCD, many, many options and solid body construction.
It's worth every cent, so as Andy said: if you can afford it go for it! And if you already have old Nikon lenses it's even better since they work perfectly well with the D200.

Thierry
 
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RE: Nikon D50, D70, D80, D200. Please Help Me Compare

Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:00 pm

The D80 is an economy version of the D200 - image quality should be the same.

By paying less, you do not get a water-resistant metal body, some ergonomic advantage, and a faster processor.

If those things are important to you, you need a D200. Otherwise, the D80 is a great camera and fantastic value for money. Buy it, and put the money saved into a top-class lens.
 
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RE: Nikon D50, D70, D80, D200. Please Help Me Compare

Mon Oct 02, 2006 8:41 am

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 18):
That's why Nikon ships new software with the camera...
And if not already possible with ACR 3.3, Adobe is likely to release a new ACR version soon.

Terrific! I installed Nikon's wonderful new software (Picture Project 1.7) and it won't convert the D80's RAW (NEF) format either. It works fine with my D70 RAW pictures. The only product that works is Nikon Capture NX, and I'm going to have to buy that if I can't find something cheaper pretty soon.
What is Adobe ACR 3.3?
 
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RE: Nikon D50, D70, D80, D200. Please Help Me Compare

Mon Oct 02, 2006 9:50 am

You should go to Nikon's site and update a new camera raw file. When I bought my D200 I had to update the camera raw file with Photoshop so it would read the D200 RAW files.

It is a very simple fix.

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RE: Nikon D50, D70, D80, D200. Please Help Me Compare

Tue Oct 03, 2006 12:46 am

I don't understand what you mean by "update a new camera raw file." I'm having trouble contacting Nikon Canada - they have screwed up my e-mail addresses somehow, but I've just explained my problem to Nikon USA. Hopefully, they will be able to help.
 
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RE: Nikon D50, D70, D80, D200. Please Help Me Compare

Tue Oct 03, 2006 12:53 am

As much as I love my Nikons, I really can't understand why they don't bundle Nikon Capture with their DSLR's.

Roel.
 
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RE: Nikon D50, D70, D80, D200. Please Help Me Compare

Tue Oct 03, 2006 3:03 am

I have only just acquired my D200 (without top-level authorisation, but I like to live life on the edge!) Haven't taken it outside the house yet, but come the weekend...

Can only agree with what others have said about looking at your D70 in a different light after you've handled that bad boy D200. I just love the sound as it fires off 4 frames per second in RAW mode. yes 

Quoting Diezel (Reply 26):
As much as I love my Nikons, I really can't understand why they don't bundle Nikon Capture with their DSLR's.

Agreed. The new Capture NX looks very nice.
http://nikonimaging.com/global/produ...ts/software/capturenx/nxsp/top.htm

Quoting Psyops (Reply 24):
You should go to Nikon's site and update a new camera raw file. When I bought my D200 I had to update the camera raw file with Photoshop so it would read the D200 RAW files.

I've hunted around and not been able to find this. Can you post a link?
 
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RE: Nikon D50, D70, D80, D200. Please Help Me Compare

Tue Oct 03, 2006 3:12 am

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 27):
I've hunted around and not been able to find this. Can you post a link?

If you're looking for a Nikon Software download/update, go here:
http://support.nikontech.com/cgi-bin...php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=61

If you're looking to update ACR, go here:
http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/cameraraw.html

Congrats on the new D200. If you don't respond for a few months we'll know the "boss" found out and you've been doing house work 18 hours a day to make up for the unauthroized purchase  Smile

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RE: Nikon D50, D70, D80, D200. Please Help Me Compare

Tue Oct 03, 2006 2:44 pm

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 27):

Agreed. The new Capture NX looks very nice.

To be honest, I much prefer CS2 over Capture NX. I am at the slight disadvantage with CS2 ATM since ACR cannot read the RAW files from my D80.


Here is a too-short summary of CS2 vs. NX:

Pros:
-----
[CS2]
+ Relatively fast
+ Organized pretty well
+ Lots of features
+ Many tutorials and materials available
+ Works (OK) with Bridge
+ Great results

[Capture NX]
+ Good value for the money
+ Easier to learn interface
+ Well customized for Nikon cameras
+ Contains many of the "most useful" functions
+ Can deal with RAW files from my D80
+ Good results

Cons:
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[CS2]
- Expensive (more)
- Can't deal with RAW files from my camera ATM (you are at the will of ACR)
- If you are new it's a bitch to learn

[Capture NX]
- S L O W (saving files, applying filters, etc...)
- SLOW (yes, it's that annoying)
- Not as many features as CS2
- Has crashed 2 times on me
- UI needs refinement

Just my few cents.

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RE: Nikon D50, D70, D80, D200. Please Help Me Compare

Tue Oct 03, 2006 2:47 pm

... as a follow-up for anyone with a D80 or new Cannon.

Adobe Lightroom Beta 4 will open RAW files from new cameras. It looks like they have some component of ACR 3.6 in the beta.

Just FYI.
 
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RE: Nikon D50, D70, D80, D200. Please Help Me Compare

Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:15 am

Quoting Mikephotos (Reply 28):
Congrats on the new D200. If you don't respond for a few months we'll know the "boss" found out and you've been doing house work 18 hours a day to make up for the unauthroized purchase

She only hits where the bruises don't show! wink 
 
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RE: Nikon D50, D70, D80, D200. Please Help Me Compare

Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:08 am

Quoting Airlinelover (Reply 2):
One thing I don't understand, Does the D80 allow for manual focusing of lenses? My N65 has the ability to switch from auto to manual, but I Can't tell if the D80 does...

All Nikon dslrs have the ability to manually focuse lens. However, the D200 has a feature that allows it to matrix meter older lens.

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