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dlowwa
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Rejection For Dirty/speck, But It's Not Dirt...

Wed Aug 06, 2008 1:31 am

Just a question for next time for the screeners... I just had an image rejected, and one of the reasons given was "Dirty=speck in the sky". Now I agree that if you look at the cropped image I submitted, above and to the left of the tail, it would seem there was a speck of dirt on my lens or sensor.

https://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20080805_UA320YVR160608.jpg

However, if you look at the same area cropped from the full size image, you can clearly see it is a bird.

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/176/imgp4388iiio1.jpg

In this case, what should I do when the bird or other object is re-sized with the rest of the image, and becomes merely a speck and seems like dirt? I know cloning it out and other such manipulation is generally frowned upon, but in this case would it be worth it to make an exception so as to avoid rejection for dirt that really isn't dirt? Please let me know so I can avoid this in the future...

All of that having been said, I do agree for the other rejection reason (blurry), and I am not at all complaining about the rejection. In fact, I really, really appreciate the fact that the screener took the time to include a personal note detailing the reason for rejection. Thank you for your advice for next time and what to do about this problem!
 
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RE: Rejection For Dirty/speck, But It's Not Dirt...

Wed Aug 06, 2008 3:31 am

Hi dlowwa
I'm not a screener but if i was permitted to give you an answer to this question i would say that cloning a bird that small is allowed as you really cant determine that its a bird unless you can see the wings or eyes for that matter so as far as the person screening your shot its a dirt spec regardless .
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RE: Rejection For Dirty/speck, But It's Not Dirt...

Wed Aug 06, 2008 7:13 am

It is generally accepted that if a bird (or bug for that matter) can be mistaken for "dirt", then it is OK to clone it out.
 
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RE: Rejection For Dirty/speck, But It's Not Dirt...

Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:35 am

I would suggest a note to the screener when uploading, or simply clone it out.
 
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RE: Rejection For Dirty/speck, But It's Not Dirt...

Wed Aug 06, 2008 11:29 am

When screening we cannot zoom in as you have done here so, as Jumbo Jim says above, treat any mark like that as though it were dust unless the contrary is very very clear, ie that it is a bird - wings, feathers, beak, collar size etc, etc.
Alternatively, leave us a comment when you upload as suggested by Viv

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RE: Rejection For Dirty/speck, But It's Not Dirt...

Wed Aug 06, 2008 4:34 pm

Im sorry Mick just by opening the image its clearly a bird !
It looks nothing like a dust spot .
To me there was no need to blow up the image ... i would hope that ALL the screeners can see its a birdy  Yeah sure

No need to be very very clear about feathers , collar size etc etc .. c'mon !

Just a little more careful before judgment , plus why should you need to clone out birds ? this was discussed at length recently and was cleared up then .

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RE: Rejection For Dirty/speck, But It's Not Dirt...

Wed Aug 06, 2008 4:45 pm



Quoting Spoogle (Reply 5):
Just a little more careful before judgment , plus why should you need to clone out birds ? this was discussed at length recently and was cleared up then

In Pre-Screen 2, I asked this same question, because I had 4 shots rejected for speckles. Another screener told me the same thing Mick said. That when birds are this small and it's not blatantly obvious they should be cloned out. You may have realized it was a bird immediately because you read the OP's post. But when I first saw the image I thought it was dirt. Knowing it's a bird, however, allows me to see it more easily now.

I agree that it is a very difficult case, and is INCREDIBLY frustrating when it causes a shot of mine to get rejected, but hearing two screeners give the same answer to the situation leads me to believe that there is quite a bit of consistency amongst the screening team in this area. So, I will clone out small birds from now on!

Quoting Spoogle (Reply 5):
It looks nothing like a dust spot .

To clarify, you are right, it is definitely not a dust spot. Dust spots are usually large, round, and faded. This could, however, have been dirt quite easily, which tends to cause very distinct small marks on images.

TIS
 
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RE: Rejection For Dirty/speck, But It's Not Dirt...

Wed Aug 06, 2008 4:53 pm



Quoting Spoogle (Reply 5):
Im sorry Mick just by opening the image its clearly a bird !

I'm sorry, but it's not clear!
Since I cannot invite you to screen with me a couple of hundred pictures, you are going to have to trust my word on this: We see many spots/specs and similar, and many of these look exactly like what we see in this picture, and they are definitely no birds.
Such small specs with no identifiable form should be cloned out. If you are unsure, it's always a good idea to leave a note for us.
 
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RE: Rejection For Dirty/speck, But It's Not Dirt...

Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:19 pm

I'm probably gonna get shot for this but I tend to clone birds out regardless, just to make sure. If they aren't there, they don't give the screeners a headache.

Karl
 
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RE: Rejection For Dirty/speck, But It's Not Dirt...

Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:54 pm



Quoting Spoogle (Reply 5):
Im sorry Mick just by opening the image its clearly a bird

If you can make out that its a bird you should be working for NASA with your eye sight that good .
 
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RE: Rejection For Dirty/speck, But It's Not Dirt...

Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:01 pm

I can clearly see it’s bird, but IMO the bird adds nothing to the photo.

What’s wrong with simply cloning it? If there would be, say, thirty birds, and they would be quite many times closer, then I’d leave it. But not like this.
 
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RE: Rejection For Dirty/speck, But It's Not Dirt...

Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:08 pm



Quoting JumboJim747 (Reply 9):
If you can make out that its a bird you should be working for NASA with your eye sight that good .

I've seen a lot of NASA guys/gals that wear glasses.

single bird, clone it!
 
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RE: Rejection For Dirty/speck, But It's Not Dirt...

Thu Aug 07, 2008 1:44 am

Thanks for the input everyone! I'd have to agree that without knowing beforehand, it's not immediately obvious that it's a bird, and I shouldn't expect the screeners to spend too much time trying to figure out if it is or not.

Lesson learned: If in doubt, clone it out!

Dana
 
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RE: Rejection For Dirty/speck, But It's Not Dirt...

Thu Aug 07, 2008 2:33 am



Quoting Dlowwa (Reply 12):
it's not immediately obvious that it's a bird,

My point all along

Quoting UnattendedBag (Reply 11):
I've seen a lot of NASA guys/gals that wear glasses.

Agreed but my point is with eyesight that good one would make a good scientist.
 
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RE: Rejection For Dirty/speck, But It's Not Dirt...

Thu Aug 07, 2008 12:30 pm



Quoting Acontador (Reply 7):
Since I cannot invite you to screen with me a couple of hundred pictures

Been there done it but closer to 25,000 in all  Smile

plus in all honesty i can clearly make out its a bird ... certainly no dust spot .

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RE: Rejection For Dirty/speck, But It's Not Dirt...

Thu Aug 07, 2008 1:18 pm



Quoting Spoogle (Reply 14):
in all honesty i can clearly make out its a bird ... certainly no dust spot

The message left by the screener was not saying that is a dust spot. Please read the original post.

_Hongyin_
 
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RE: Rejection For Dirty/speck, But It's Not Dirt...

Thu Aug 07, 2008 1:45 pm



Quoting Dlowwa (Thread starter):
Dirty=speck in the sky

Ohh that comment ?
 Yeah sure

I did  Smile

Its a bird not a speck , i should have been more specific & accurate with my comment sorry Big grin



best wishes
 
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RE: Rejection For Dirty/speck, But It's Not Dirt...

Thu Aug 07, 2008 1:52 pm

Quoting Spoogle (Reply 16):
Its a bird not a speck

To me it's a speck. Clone it out and upload the image again. Very simple.

_Hongyin_

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