As someone who has suffered a great many rejects lately, I have started paying much more attention to my photo processing than in years past. As a result, I certainly believe the quality of images I have submitted to this site recently has improved considerably. While I consider rejects an opportunity to learn, they are nonetheless becoming exceptionally frustrating and annoying due to the current banishment of all requests for photo advice to just two threads.
The post screening thread especially has devolved into a place to post your latest rejection. If, by any chance someone does respond, it's difficult to keep the post organized. Furthermore, all the photos in one place seem overwhelming and as a result I think many who might otherwise be inclined to drop by and offer advice are avoiding them.
I understand some don't want to see the forum overrun with requests for help, so might I suggest an alternative: how about a seperate forum for photo advice requests? Each poster could have his or her own thread and it would generally make things much less messy (on the thread itself and on this forum).
It's just a thought I had, Merry Christmas.
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| Quoting OSU_av8or (Thread starter): Furthermore, all the photos in one place seem overwhelming and as a result I think many who might otherwise be inclined to drop by and offer advice are avoiding them. |
Very true. There was a similar thread last month:
https://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...tion_photography/read.main/322151/
There were some 30 replies and virtually nobody liked the big pre- and post-screening threads.
Despite this there wasn't a single reply from the crew. Perhaps the photo screeners consider this a moderation issue, and the moderators don't care that assistance with photo editing isn't working?
It's a very unfortunate situation. Both photographers asking for help, and experienced people who were always willing to lend a hand are being chased away. This needs to be addressed.
Peter
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I must add my own support (once again) to suggestions that the current situation is addressed. I posted a request for feedback in the Post-screening thread on Wednesday and other than one colleague who could not open the photo (another bug!) I have had no response at all.
For me having such long threads, with multiple requests for feedback all jumbled together, are always going to create problems. However, I also agree with arguments that to allow individual threads just swamps the Forum - hence my argument in the old thread Peter mentioned above for a 'sub-Forum' or even a Forum dedicated to editing issues.
Paul
P.S. Whereas previously I did try to reply to other people's requests for feedback, I now have to admit I don't really bother with the pre- and post- screening threads because of their size and the difficulty they present to having a proper discussion.
[Edited 2009-01-03 03:36:23]
For me having such long threads, with multiple requests for feedback all jumbled together, are always going to create problems. However, I also agree with arguments that to allow individual threads just swamps the Forum - hence my argument in the old thread Peter mentioned above for a 'sub-Forum' or even a Forum dedicated to editing issues.
Paul
P.S. Whereas previously I did try to reply to other people's requests for feedback, I now have to admit I don't really bother with the pre- and post- screening threads because of their size and the difficulty they present to having a proper discussion.
[Edited 2009-01-03 03:36:23]
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I reply to those threads sometimes - and sometimes ask for feedback as well. The size of the threads is the big issue - they are huge and difficult to navigate.
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| Quoting Psych (Reply 2): I must add my own support (once again) to suggestions that the current situation is addressed. I posted a request for feedback in the Post-screening thread on Wednesday and other than one colleague who could not open the photo (another bug!) I have had no response at all |
Hello Paul, Happy New Year! new year, old problems apparently
I agree with everything being said here so far, and as exposed in the other thread, the mega threads are almost usless. Some members do reply and give their imput and opinions, and they should be thanked for that. But unfortunately, all they can give is advice and opinions, that may or may not be useful for a.net purposes. What I'm saying that without screeners giving their views, the threads are almost useless.
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| Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 4): What I'm saying that without screeners giving their views, the threads are almost useless. |
Hi there - a very Happy New Year to you and other A.net members.
Whilst I agree that screener participation is really helpful, I understand the pressure on their time and the need to keep the queue low. (In my example, whilst I would have valued screener input, I would have valued others' input no less, because I felt my query was more about how a monitor displays a photo than anything else). That being said, with or without screener input, I believe the current structure simply does not encourage proper conversations about photos - you cannot have five or six conversations going on at the same time, with all the posts mixed together. It just does not encourage participation - from screeners or anyone else. So a big thank you to those who do bother to wade thought the posts.
For me the only long term answer is a separate forum, or a section here, where individual threads are then allowed.
Paul
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What i don't understand is what was so wrong they way it was before. You had a question, you opened a thread, it was usually answered quickly, and with more screener input than there is now (probably because if a screener gets in the mega thread, it's very hard to actually follow each one of the questions), 2 or 3 replies and then the thread was locked. I personally founf it more helpful than how it currently is.
Just to clarify, I value the non screener input as well, and I am thankfull whenever I recieve it. What I meant by "useles" (harsh word choice I think) was that 99% of members, including experienced photogs can give an opinion and they can all reach a consensus on a shot, but then the screener might not agree.
| Quoting Psych (Reply 5): , I would have valued others' input no less, because I felt my query was more about how a monitor displays a photo than anything else |
Just to clarify, I value the non screener input as well, and I am thankfull whenever I recieve it. What I meant by "useles" (harsh word choice I think) was that 99% of members, including experienced photogs can give an opinion and they can all reach a consensus on a shot, but then the screener might not agree.
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Hello everybody,
thanks for all the comments and opinions on the current thread situation.
You pointed out the threads are too long, too crowded, hard to navigate through, difficult to have a proper discussion about the image you asked a question about.
To make it simple and easy: I agree with you. Surprised? I guess so
Now, the story continoues.
Not too long ago - before we started with the pre- and postscreening threads - we received the same amount of complains and emails regarding the aviation photography forum. It is so crowded, I cannot find my threads, the forum is only about rejections and editing help and nothing else anymore, it is hard to navigate through this forum etc etc.
Do you see my point? No matter how we do it, we will receive complains. So we thought it would be a good idea to put the pre and post screening questions into seperate threads, to give the forum a chance to get less crowded again. Well, and now we receive a bunch of emails and complains that these threads are useless....
So, what should we do?
Maybe this is the solution. I will forward that to DM and make this suggestion if this can be considered for the future.
Thanks guys.
WILCO737 (MD11F)
thanks for all the comments and opinions on the current thread situation.
You pointed out the threads are too long, too crowded, hard to navigate through, difficult to have a proper discussion about the image you asked a question about.
To make it simple and easy: I agree with you. Surprised? I guess so
Now, the story continoues.
Not too long ago - before we started with the pre- and postscreening threads - we received the same amount of complains and emails regarding the aviation photography forum. It is so crowded, I cannot find my threads, the forum is only about rejections and editing help and nothing else anymore, it is hard to navigate through this forum etc etc.
Do you see my point? No matter how we do it, we will receive complains. So we thought it would be a good idea to put the pre and post screening questions into seperate threads, to give the forum a chance to get less crowded again. Well, and now we receive a bunch of emails and complains that these threads are useless....
So, what should we do?
| Quoting Psych (Reply 5): For me the only long term answer is a separate forum, or a section here, where individual threads are then allowed. Paul |
Maybe this is the solution. I will forward that to DM and make this suggestion if this can be considered for the future.
Thanks guys.
WILCO737 (MD11F)
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It has to be separate forum / place.
Ever thought about a leave a comment section.
The logic is already there, were people already commenting on pictures online.
Why don't you guys establish something similar for "pre, after before photos"
Vasco
Ever thought about a leave a comment section.
The logic is already there, were people already commenting on pictures online.
Why don't you guys establish something similar for "pre, after before photos"
Vasco
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I would be happy to see an "Image Processing Forum" or something similar.
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Hi All
I stopped participating in the pre-screening threads because on a number of occasion I later came across images in the queue I told people did not have a chance. They simply ignored my advice as a screener so I might as well not respond at all.
Now I am sure other people did take my advice but it seemed to me like a waste of time to participate in those threads. The time spent typing a reply and checking back can better be used screening 10-20 images.
I can only assume my fellow screeners have had similar experiences which account for the lack of input. Nowadays I only give out advice through direct email to people who I know take my advice seriously.
I think that if you want screener input you should also treat it as such and not disregard it, or our input is as valuable as someone who just shot his first picture.
Having said that I would support a seperate forum but I would not expect a huge increase in feedback should that happen. As Wilco said, before the mega-threads we got many complaints from people who thought the forum was flooded with prescreening and rejections threads they had no interest in reading. So I doubt they'd come over to a special forum and give advice there. Still, it might be the best compromise. Other priorities will probably result in this being something for the long-term.
Tim
I stopped participating in the pre-screening threads because on a number of occasion I later came across images in the queue I told people did not have a chance. They simply ignored my advice as a screener so I might as well not respond at all.
Now I am sure other people did take my advice but it seemed to me like a waste of time to participate in those threads. The time spent typing a reply and checking back can better be used screening 10-20 images.
I can only assume my fellow screeners have had similar experiences which account for the lack of input. Nowadays I only give out advice through direct email to people who I know take my advice seriously.
I think that if you want screener input you should also treat it as such and not disregard it, or our input is as valuable as someone who just shot his first picture.
Having said that I would support a seperate forum but I would not expect a huge increase in feedback should that happen. As Wilco said, before the mega-threads we got many complaints from people who thought the forum was flooded with prescreening and rejections threads they had no interest in reading. So I doubt they'd come over to a special forum and give advice there. Still, it might be the best compromise. Other priorities will probably result in this being something for the long-term.
Tim
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| Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 11): They simply ignored my advice |
That is something we still see in the threads, when we "reject" pics and tell what's wrong with them, they come back with a new set of images with the exact same kind of flaws (cropping anyone?
)| Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 11): The time spent typing a reply and checking back can better be used screening 10-20 images |
| Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 11): So I doubt they'd come over to a special forum and give advice there. Still, it might be the best compromise |
Well, I have contributed a lot to both pre- and post screening threads, and I would continue doing that in a sub forum, as soon as I feel comfortable with my new screen.
Maybe if some members here were appointed "Pre-screener" that could both screen and moderate a sub-forum like that? Then you would have some people that are more trusted than the "ordinary" photog, but still don't have the work load and responsibilities of a Photo Screener.
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| Quoting JohnKrist (Reply 12): "Pre-screener" that could both screen and moderate a sub-forum like that? Then you would have some people that are more trusted than the "ordinary" photog, but still don't have the work load and responsibilities of a Photo Screener. |
A good suggestion! Worth noting! Without the screeners input it's not worth having a separate thread or forum!
Fergul
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So, as it looks to me, the pre- and postscreening threads are as useless as every single thread which dealt with rejections or editing help?
That is at least my feeling I get from the last replies I read in this thread.
wilco737
That is at least my feeling I get from the last replies I read in this thread.
wilco737
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| Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 14): So, as it looks to me, the pre- and postscreening threads are as useless as every single thread which dealt with rejections or editing help? |
Other photographers can only help, they are not screeners, they can certainly tell the good from the bad ones but its the ones that are borderline where screeners can help the most. These threads are only effective if they put their input into them.
On a whole I do think its better that they are in one single thread but maybe limit the thread length, for arguments sake, once it reaches over 100 replies start another one.
Fergul
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| Quoting Fergulmcc (Reply 15): Other photographers can only help, they are not screeners, they can certainly tell the good from the bad ones but its the ones that are borderline where screeners can help the most. These threads are only effective if they put their input into them. |
The input of other photographers is for sure helpful, but as you said, the borderline pictures can only be pre- screened by the screener.
| Quoting Fergulmcc (Reply 15): On a whole I do think its better that they are in one single thread but maybe limit the thread length, for arguments sake, once it reaches over 100 replies start another one. |
Well, that's not a big problem for us. Locking a thread and starting a new one is easy
100 sounds about right to me as well.
wilco737
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As Wilco has pointed out the new way the super threads are now is just too much of a chore to navigate through for both parties. I really never particiapte anymore. In a way I think management should re-visit this. Go back to the way it was and just have the mods more on top if it. Delete them when they answer has been given or when the thread starter requests to do so. I think you will see more people participating, more improving and a much less of a queue and less low quality uploads.
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| Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 16): 100 sounds about right to me as well. |
First, thanks for participating in this thread, Wilco.
Limiting the superthreads to 100 replies doesn't solve the big problem - the lack of insight into who's talking about what photo. This means actual discussion doesn't take place any more, while many people no longer bother to participate at all.
Completely agree.
| Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 17): I think management should re-visit this. Go back to the way it was and just have the mods more on top if it. Delete them when they answer has been given or when the thread starter requests to do so. I think you will see more people participating, more improving and a much less of a queue and less low quality uploads. |
Completely agree.
A dedicated sub-forum is another possibility but I don't feel it's neccessary. The old system worked well enough for years. It only got a bit out of hand when a few people started to ask pre-screening for every single photo they shot. People will even moderate themselves when asked I think.
Peter
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| Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 18): Limiting the superthreads to 100 replies doesn't solve the big problem - the lack of insight into who's talking about what photo. This means actual discussion doesn't take place any more, while many people no longer bother to participate at all. |
I see your point here. At least it would make it a bit easier to follow the thread as it won't take so long to load until the thread is up and you maybe can find your post easier.
It is a pity that people doesn't bother to participate anymore. I must say, I can understand them. It is messy as well. Like it used to be with the "personal" pre- and postscreening threads. There were just so many which made it more difficult as well to browse through them.
| Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 18): A dedicated sub-forum is another possibility but I don't feel it's neccessary. |
As long as we cannot assure that many user/ screener/ photographer will participate in that forum, we won't need it. Imagine DM will open such a new forum and there will only be thread starters with loads of questions, but no answers. Not the way it should be.
| Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 18): The old system worked well enough for years. It only got a bit out of hand when a few people started to ask pre-screening for every single photo they shot. |
THe problem of the overcrowded forum just popped up very recently. So we mods had a discussion about it, how we can maybe make the photography forum less crowded. We came up with the idea of the pre- and post screening threads. So we started them and we got complains as well. As I stated in another post. The forum itself now is less crowded, therefore it is more difficult to find a reply to the question one asked. Btw, I am waiting for a reply as well in the post- screening thread
| Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 18): People will even moderate themselves when asked I think. |
I am not sure here. If everybody moderators himself, then we are without a job and believe me, we are busy
I don't think there will be a solution where everybody will be happy, so we have to find a way in the middle where everybody can live with. We thought the pre/ post screening threads were such a solution. Apparently it wasn't 100% ok as well.
If you have any other ideas how to improve the situation, then please let us know. That's what we are here for.
wilco737
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I think there is one crucial factor that we cannot ignore in all this:
Things really changed in the Photography Forum when all photographers, irrespective of their previous site membership status, were provided with access to this particular Forum. Now I am not arguing for or against that move, but the result was that the number of pre-screening threads rocketed - often posted by people who had recently joined the site or who had little experience interpreting the site's criteria. That change in Forum participation seemed to lead to a major shift away from more general discussions to the seeking of advice on the screening of photos.
I wonder whether I am alone in finding it less reinforcing getting involved in a thread where the questions could actually easily be answered by a closer examination of the criteria themselves and previous discussions.... or use of/reference to a coherent guide to the site's criteria, illustrated with real examples .
Paul
Things really changed in the Photography Forum when all photographers, irrespective of their previous site membership status, were provided with access to this particular Forum. Now I am not arguing for or against that move, but the result was that the number of pre-screening threads rocketed - often posted by people who had recently joined the site or who had little experience interpreting the site's criteria. That change in Forum participation seemed to lead to a major shift away from more general discussions to the seeking of advice on the screening of photos.
I wonder whether I am alone in finding it less reinforcing getting involved in a thread where the questions could actually easily be answered by a closer examination of the criteria themselves and previous discussions.... or use of/reference to a coherent guide to the site's criteria, illustrated with real examples
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Paul
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| Quoting Psych (Reply 20): use of/reference to a coherent guide to the site's criteria, illustrated with real examples |
I did some searching. I ended up finding an illustrated guide to the site's criteria, illustrated with real examples: https://www.airliners.net/search/index.main.
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| Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 19): As long as we cannot assure that many user/ screener/ photographer will participate in that forum, we won't need it. |
But we don't know, because there isn't such a subforum. What is the risk or consequence in creating the subforum and noticing that just a few user/screener/photographer will participate?
Seems like the majority is complaining about the big pre- and postscreening threads. Before those threads exists, people complained about the Aviation Photography forum 'contaminated' with pre- and post screening threads.
Combining both complaints results in my opinion to the solution of creating a sub-forum.
Kind regards, Martijn
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| Quoting Varig767 (Reply 22): But we don't know, because there isn't such a subforum. What is the risk or consequence in creating the subforum and noticing that just a few user/screener/photographer will participate? |
It is not in my hands to open such a subforum. It can only be done by the developers of this site.
The problem is still, if not enough people participate in those forums, then it is useless and as pointed out by Tim earlier, when they provide feedback and people don't listen to it and upload it anyway, then it is again useless. Then I don't see the need for an extra forum if people post in there, a screener tells them: don't upload it, it won't make it. And then it will be uploaded anyway. Then the whole subforum will lose its sense, don't you think?
| Quoting Varig767 (Reply 22): Seems like the majority is complaining about the big pre- and postscreening threads. Before those threads exists, people complained about the Aviation Photography forum 'contaminated' with pre- and post screening threads. |
No matter what we do, there will be complains. Before the big threads we received complains and we still receive complains about the big threads.
wilco737
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I was an advocate initially for the creation of a dedicated pre and post screening threads, however having seen them in action I am not so sure that they are as effective as they could have been.
Also, at the time of their creation, the queue was a lot higher than it is now.
I am now of the opinion that with a low queue it is worth taking your chances in the queue, as even if you get a reject, you will not be waiting too long for a decision from the screeners. Unfortunately I am finding that using the laptop to edit while on an extended business trip is not always the best course of action when trying to upload photos.
I do think that the use of more personal messages from the screening team could help out with some issues - such as level rejections with a suggested amount to rotate an image.
Regards
Mark
Also, at the time of their creation, the queue was a lot higher than it is now.
I am now of the opinion that with a low queue it is worth taking your chances in the queue, as even if you get a reject, you will not be waiting too long for a decision from the screeners. Unfortunately I am finding that using the laptop to edit while on an extended business trip is not always the best course of action when trying to upload photos.
I do think that the use of more personal messages from the screening team could help out with some issues - such as level rejections with a suggested amount to rotate an image.
Regards
Mark
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| Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 23): It is not in my hands to open such a subforum |
I understand, so the 'create a sub-forum' propaganda below isn't mentioned for you.
| Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 23): The problem is still, if not enough people participate in those forums, then it is useless |
Again, as you state: *IF* not enough people participate (...). We won't know until a sub-forum has been created.
| Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 23): as pointed out by Tim earlier, when they provide feedback and people don't listen to it and upload it anyway, then it is again useless |
I can imagine Tim decided to quit the pre-screening threads being confronted with pics in the queue he already discussed in the pre-screening thread. In my opinion, screeners input is not necessariliy in pre-screening threads. When a photographer with e.g. 100+ pics in the database thinks my picture won't make a chance I won't upload it. Like the "pre-screener" as JohnKrist mentioned before.
About people ignoring advice in pre-screening threads: another possibility is that, assuming the fact that several pre-screening requests never get a reply, people decide not to wait any longer and just give it a try and upload the shot. Then, indeed many (low-quality) pictures are in the pre-screening thread and in the queue simultaneously.
| Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 23): Then the whole subforum will lose its sense, don't you think? |
No, I don't think so. Because there is another reason for creating the sub-forum. People who don't want to comment on any pre-screening thread are not constantly being confronted with pre-screening requests when viewing the Aviation Photography forum. On the other hand, people who would like to comment on pre-screening requests don't have trouble in navigating through one big thread. It's simple; when the sub-forum existst, people can decide to view pre-screening threads or not.
Apparently, there is a huge ask for pre-screening considering the huge threads. That some people deliberately ignore given advice to their request and still upload, is in my opinion no reason for not creating a sub-forum.
Kind regards, Martijn
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| Quoting Varig767 (Reply 25): I understand, so the 'create a sub-forum' propaganda below isn't mentioned for you. |
Maybe. What I am currently doing, is collecting all the suggestions and ideas about the pre/ post screening threads and will forward it to DM. They can consider and decide what will be done.
| Quoting Varig767 (Reply 25): Again, as you state: *IF* not enough people participate (...). We won't know until a sub-forum has been created. |
Maybe DM could do something like a 2 month trial, to see how it works?
| Quoting Varig767 (Reply 25): When a photographer with e.g. 100+ pics in the database thinks my picture won't make a chance I won't upload it. Like the "pre-screener" as JohnKrist mentioned before. |
It looks like some people don't believe that pictures aren't good enough and upload it anyway, no matter what the "pre- screener" said.
| Quoting Varig767 (Reply 25): Then, indeed many (low-quality) pictures are in the pre-screening thread and in the queue simultaneously. |
We hoped that those thread will help to reduce the queue as well, as people won't upload shots which got a reply in that thread and where it has been said: don't upload it, it won't make it.
| Quoting Varig767 (Reply 25): No, I don't think so. Because there is another reason for creating the sub-forum. People who don't want to comment on any pre-screening thread are not constantly being confronted with pre-screening requests when viewing the Aviation Photography forum. On the other hand, people who would like to comment on pre-screening requests don't have trouble in navigating through one big thread. It's simple; when the sub-forum existst, people can decide to view pre-screening threads or not. |
That's a good point of view, haven't seen it from that perspective. So, if a subforum for pre/ post screening will be opened, then people who spefically seeking help could go there and "pre- screener" can help them out in that part of the forum.
I think this could work. We just need to make sure that people don't upload their pictures when some experienced photographer told them: don't upload it, it won't make it.
It could be another way to keep the queue low. (well, it is pretty low already, but why not bringing it even lower, if possible?)
wilco737
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| Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 26): We just need to make sure that people don't upload their pictures when some experienced photographer told them: don't upload it, it won't make it. |
Maybe some extra conditions can apply to participants of the pre-screening sub-forum. I can imagine that the person who requests pre-screening advice should explain (in his own thread!) what he did with the advice:
a) decided not to upload the picture
b) decided to enhance the picture (and has to include the enhanced picture) and uploaded it. When this enhanced picture is followed by negative advice, the 'requester' should pull his picture from the queue.
When someone declares he decided not to upload the picture and still uploads exactly the same picture (like Tim discovered), or doesn't pull his picture from the queue, this person can be warned by the moderators. In this way, some screeners should randomly check 'declarations of no-upload'. Apparently, this already is the case referring to Tims story. But.... do screeners like this extra task??
Kind regards, Martijn
[Edited 2009-01-05 08:21:17]
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| Quoting Varig767 (Reply 25): I can imagine Tim decided to quit the pre-screening threads being confronted with pics in the queue he already discussed in the pre-screening thread. In my opinion, screeners input is not necessariliy in pre-screening threads. When a photographer with e.g. 100+ pics in the database thinks my picture won't make a chance I won't upload it. Like the "pre-screener" as JohnKrist mentioned before. About people ignoring advice in pre-screening threads: another possibility is that, assuming the fact that several pre-screening requests never get a reply, people decide not to wait any longer and just give it a try and upload the shot. Then, indeed many (low-quality) pictures are in the pre-screening thread and in the queue simultaneously |
If Tim has found a pic in the queue that he already dicussed in a pre-screening thread he can handle it a number of ways, he can reject the pic with a personal message and tell the person that if he wants help he has to take the help etc. Why just stop helping people that have used his expertise to improve?
| Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 26): It looks like some people don't believe that pictures aren't good enough and upload it anyway, no matter what the "pre- screener" said |
These people would upload them anyway. Some people take advice and love it and use it, some don't and feel the pic is good enough. That will always be an issue.
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Now we are getting close to my idea
About those hard to judge pics it could be possible for a "pre-screener" to pass it on to a screener, that way the pre-screeners can deal with 95% of the shots at least, and if uncertain call in higher expertise.
About those hard to judge pics it could be possible for a "pre-screener" to pass it on to a screener, that way the pre-screeners can deal with 95% of the shots at least, and if uncertain call in higher expertise.
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| Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 28): These people would upload them anyway. Some people take advice and love it and use it, some don't and feel the pic is good enough. That will always be an issue. |
Or are feeling lucky...
But as Martijn wrote, if you asked for advice and ignored the answers there could be a warning for wasting screeners time
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Since people complained before and after the mega-threads were started, why not do away with pre-/post-screening requests altogether?
Problem solved.
The fact is people are going to whine about it either way.
Another idea would be to officially sanction (as in host on Airliners.net) the IGRR and "sticky" a link to it at the top of the photography forum.
Problem solved.
The fact is people are going to whine about it either way.
Another idea would be to officially sanction (as in host on Airliners.net) the IGRR and "sticky" a link to it at the top of the photography forum.
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RE: Effectiveness Of Pre And Post-screening Threads
| Quoting N701DN (Reply 31): Another idea would be to officially sanction (as in host on Airliners.net) the IGRR and "sticky" a link to it at the top of the photography forum. |
An official rejection guide with updates rejection reasons and examples is coming soon. I've just updated it and it's on its way to DM. It should have been up a long time but things got in the way...
That should be a big help I think.
Tim
RE: Effectiveness Of Pre And Post-screening Threads
| Quoting Varig767 (Reply 27): When someone declares he decided not to upload the picture and still uploads exactly the same picture (like Tim discovered), or doesn't pull his picture from the queue, this person can be warned by the moderators. In this way, some screeners should randomly check 'declarations of no-upload'. Apparently, this already is the case referring to Tims story. But.... do screeners like this extra task?? |
I don't think it is a good idea to let the screener do that. They are very busy with screening and I don't think they should do moderator work as well. And the whole idea sounds a little tricky to me. Being warned if you upload a picture even if someone said it is not worth, is a little too much in my opinion.
| Quoting N701DN (Reply 31): Since people complained before and after the mega-threads were started, why not do away with pre-/post-screening requests altogether? Problem solved. The fact is people are going to whine about it either way. |
I don't think that would solve the problem. Many users have questions about rejections as well, and that would totally quiet them and I am sure they will complain about that as well. so no solution here.
| Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 32): That should be a big help I think. |
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