Looking For New Screeners

Screeners · Wed Feb 11, 2009 3:44 pm

Hi All

We are currently looking for new screeners. We have recently hired 2 people from the last round of applications that ended in august last year. We are looking for new candidates who would join us in the next few months.

Fortunately some of the recent bugs have been dealt with and we are working with DM to improve the screening process even more.

We are looking for long term commitment. Screening will take about 30-45 minutes of your day on average (minimum). Most screeners of course spend much more time Wink

If anyone is interested please send an email to [email protected] with the subject line reading: Screener Application

Anyone can apply, but we are looking for experienced photographers and uploaders. The email should contain the following

real name
username
age
link to your photos
short description of your experience in photography
a short motivation on why we should choose you

Deadline for applications is march 31st.

Looking forward to some responses, and please post any questions you may have here.

On behalf of the screening team
Tim

G-CIVP · Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:59 pm

I thought potential screeners were approached?

mjlewis · Thu Feb 12, 2009 1:26 am

Is there pay involved or is it strictly for the love and enjoyment of it all? Smile

Which I dont mind either way!

NIKV69 · Thu Feb 12, 2009 3:57 am

Quoting G-CIVP (Reply 1):
I thought potential screeners were approached?

You mean Tim sneaks up behind them, knocks them out. Takes them to the basement at DM and makes them screen? biggrin

Quoting Mjlewis (Reply 2):
Is there pay involved

100,000 US a year, brand new D3x and a total Dell setup to screen. dollarsign

All kidding aside good luck. Hope you guys get more I can get used to this queue on a regular basis.

mjlewis · Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:49 pm

I'll apply for the heck of it! Can't hurt right? Never hurts to have some young, fresh eyes Wink

acontador · Thu Feb 12, 2009 2:21 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 3):
100,000 US a year, brand new D3x and a total Dell setup to screen.

Yeah, right Nik Wink

! I will ask right away where can I send my invoice...but I don't really want the D3x devil

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codeshare · Thu Feb 12, 2009 7:54 pm

You are evil indeed Andres mischievous

. You know not what is good for you Wink

So is the intention in general to speed up the screening, somebody wants to depart or other ?

KS/codeshare

JonathanJet · Thu Feb 12, 2009 8:07 pm

Mjlewis: dont bother applying unless u have several thousand + pics on here.. they want expierenced photographers, not new ones like us. I have tried and been told no. Just a heads up!

mjlewis · Thu Feb 12, 2009 8:15 pm

Quoting JonathanJet (Reply 7):
Mjlewis: dont bother applying unless u have several thousand + pics on here.. they want expierenced photographers, not new ones like us. I have tried and been told no. Just a heads up!

Yeah, had a feeling. It makes sense though. It seems like theres just such a large margin for error and everyone sees things differently. I know myself, and plenty other, have wonderfully sharp images, yet it comes back saying that its not, which to me is a joke. But oh well...

timdegroot · Thu Feb 12, 2009 10:07 pm

Thousands of uploads are not necessary. What we're looking for is people who produce high quality material, not necessarily high volume, and who have a few years experience with the site.

What's important is the ability to accurately critique images. Some screeners in the past have been picked up because of their excellent contributions to the forum helping people with rejections etc.

Quoting Mjlewis (Reply 8):
I know myself, and plenty other, have wonderfully sharp images, yet it comes back saying that its not, which to me is a joke.

No offense but if you are getting rejections you cannot understand you probably are not ready to be a screener yet.

Tim

Psych · Thu Feb 12, 2009 11:11 pm

Tim - I recall that when this process happened a couple of years ago you said that the headscreeners would be keeping a record of all those who applied at the time and would be using that as a pool for future applications.

Was that idea scrapped?

Paul

mjlewis · Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:44 am

Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 9):
No offense but if you are getting rejections you cannot understand you probably are not ready to be a screener yet.

Alright. I'm not worried about it and I dont want to get into it, but seeing some of the reasons that they reject pictures and (in my case) I have noooo idea where they come up with some of the excuse. But it is what it is...I (and many others) will just keep trying to please them lol

ptrjong · Fri Feb 13, 2009 1:26 am

Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 9):
Some screeners in the past have been picked up because of their excellent contributions to the forum helping people with rejections etc.

Must be difficult now with those megathreads...

Quoting Mjlewis (Reply 8):
a joke

Quoting Mjlewis (Reply 11):
excuse

If you think the screening is so bad, why do you even bother with this site?!

Peter Smile

mjlewis · Fri Feb 13, 2009 1:59 am

Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 12):
If you think the screening is so bad, why do you even bother with this site?!

Why is there always someone like you that says something like that? And if you want an answer, it's probably due to the fact that its still a cool site for people who like this stuff to come to and check it out and see whats flying around!

NIKV69 · Fri Feb 13, 2009 3:33 am

Quoting Mjlewis (Reply 13):
Why is there always someone like you that says something like that?

Michael you say something like you did your bound to get reactions like this. Not good form. Being a newbie you wouldn't know the half of it but trust me you get more flies with honey than you do vinegar and insulting the screening process is not a good start. Now drop and give Tim 50! weightlifter

Bruce · Fri Feb 13, 2009 6:47 am

Quoting Psych (Reply 10):
I recall that when this process happened a couple of years ago you said that the headscreeners would be keeping a record of all those who applied at the time and would be using that as a pool for future applications.

Was that idea scrapped?

From the tone of the original post it sounds like anyone who wasn't chosen last summer is out and they want new people to apply...... is this true?

bruce

timdegroot · Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:58 am

No, those who applied last year can apply again, in fact please do if you still want the position. We would just like a bigger pool to choose from.

We often see candidates who we feel need just a little more time, or a nudge in the right direction before they could make good screeners.

mjlewis · Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:47 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 14):

Michael you say something like you did your bound to get reactions like this. Not good form. Being a newbie you wouldn't know the half of it but trust me you get more flies with honey than you do vinegar and insulting the screening process is not a good start. Now drop and give Tim 50!

I was wondering if theres politics involved in choosing pictures, actually. Like they will obviously pick more pictures, more often from people who have more time in or more pictures accepted. Correct?

timdegroot · Fri Feb 13, 2009 1:46 pm

Yes we do in general accept more pictures from people who upload more, but that has nothing to do with politics

soon7x7 · Fri Feb 13, 2009 3:16 pm

Quoting JonathanJet (Reply 7):

Don't know much about the screening process but an experienced photographer does not necessarily mean you need to have thousands of uploads on the internet...go for it!

mjlewis · Fri Feb 13, 2009 5:20 pm

Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 18):
Yes we do in general accept more pictures from people who upload more, but that has nothing to do with politics

You know I didn't mean governmental politics right? Like NIKV said in reply 14, the way he worded it, it seems as if by what I've said, they'd hold that against me when they see me upload a picture, just because of that they'll find a reason to reject it even if it should at least get past phase 1 of screening and get looked at a second time?

aussie18 · Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:05 pm

Quoting Mjlewis (Reply 20):

The screeners arent just going to reject images because they personally might not like this person uploading the images cause they whinge about the screening process being too hard or whinging about the site in general or it could be a personal issue between photographer and screener.

If the photo has flaws it should rightfully be rejected and fixed up if possible or one for personal collection,if you keep getting rejected than keep trying to improve your images or improve your post process....just because your images are rejected you dont need to take it personally that screeners might not like you and dont want your images here.

timdegroot · Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:21 pm

Quoting Mjlewis (Reply 20):
You know I didn't mean governmental politics right?

Yes

I think what Nik meant was mainly related to goodwill etc on the forum. We treat everyone equal when screening photos.

Tim

mjlewis · Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:58 pm

Alright. Thank you. I really wasnt taking anything personal, just wanted to figure out how they really determine everything. Like do they actually do a 100% crop to look closely at the pictures and such?

NIKV69 · Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:19 pm

Quoting Mjlewis (Reply 20):
You know I didn't mean governmental politics right?

Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 22):
I think what Nik meant was mainly related to goodwill etc on the forum

Quoting Mjlewis (Reply 23):
just wanted to figure out how they really determine everything. Like do they actually do a 100% crop to look closely at the pictures and such?

Michael I am coming to take that shovel from you! Your digging a deep hole. Listen, the screening process here is pretty thorough and it was designed to work in a pretty straightforward way. The screeners do look at the pics in a way that they see it as they need to. Now, How about Farve retiring?

mjlewis · Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:32 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 24):
Michael I am coming to take that shovel from you! Your digging a deep hole. Listen, the screening process here is pretty thorough and it was designed to work in a pretty straightforward way. The screeners do look at the pics in a way that they see it as they need to. Now, How about Farve retiring?

Alright, alright! lol I'm sorry. Farve, meh, go for it haha

jogales · Sat Feb 14, 2009 5:57 am

I think this might have been mentioned in the past, but has any more thought been put into the idea of having pre-screeners that could weed out the pictures that have absolutely no chance of being accepted?

Josh

GBeasley · Sat Feb 14, 2009 4:34 pm

Screening is a tough job that takes a lot of dedicated time and effort, it shouldn't be underestimated the time it takes to do.

KaiGywer · Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:25 pm

Quoting Mjlewis (Reply 20):
You know I didn't mean governmental politics right? Like NIKV said in reply 14, the way he worded it, it seems as if by what I've said, they'd hold that against me when they see me upload a picture, just because of that they'll find a reason to reject it even if it should at least get past phase 1 of screening and get looked at a second time?

No politics are involved. Hell, I'm a crew member and my acceptance ratio is right around 30%...if they were to use politics as a deciding factor, don't you think it'd be higher?

mjlewis · Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:31 pm

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 28):
No politics are involved. Hell, I'm a crew member and my acceptance ratio is right around 30%...if they were to use politics as a deciding factor, don't you think it'd be higher?

Yes, but I didn't know, so that was why I threw that out there...

timdegroot · Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:42 pm

Thanks for the applications so far.

Those of you who will be chosen should hear from us in about a month's time

Tim

spencer · Mon Feb 23, 2009 5:37 pm

Tim, (as you're most likely to reply to this), would it be fair to say it's easier to spot flaws in others work, as opposed to your own? With your own I'm not saying you think you're perfect, but I get rejections and after (most of the time) reading the reason for rejection I tend to agree with it. Having the chance to see someone else's image, is it easier to pick out, say a contrast or soft, cause of rejection. (I'm guessing it is).
Also, is screening now a paid "job", or is it still volunteer work? I'll go with the latter as I haven't read otherwise.
Non of this has anything to do with me applying, as sadly I wouldn't be able to spend the necessary time doing so, plus I probably wouldn't like it either....
Cheers
Spence.

apgphoto · Tue Feb 24, 2009 10:43 am

Spence,

As an old Screener I can tell you it is much easier to find fault with others work than your own. As a Screener your kind of looking for a problem with the image, so you are more alert to any flaws with it. It becomes second nature when you have been doing it for a while and the obvious flaw shows up very quickly. but not every image is that easy!

Cheers

Paul

timdegroot · Tue Feb 24, 2009 10:46 am

Yes I would say so, that's why we cannot screen our own images Smile

I get rejections too and most of the time I also rework and see I could have done better in the first place.

Yes we're still volunteers, putting in 20 hours a week for free Wink

Tim

spencer · Tue Feb 24, 2009 4:47 pm

Thanks Paul, thanks Tim. Pretty much as I thought then. Shame it's unpaid, for you guys I mean, when you think what you do and for the size of the company...... Maybe a strike would help, ha ha! stirthepot

Spence.

Silver1SWA · Fri Feb 27, 2009 6:15 am

Have new screeners already been selected?

timdegroot · Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:55 am

Yes one has been approached, and we will be choosing others in monthly intervals

Tim

jumbojim747 · Sat Feb 28, 2009 8:57 pm

(Some screeners in the past have been picked up because of their excellent contributions to the forum helping people with rejections etc. )

So Tim what does Paul Markman (Psych) have to do to get the nod ?
He may be not interested or hasn't been approached ?
If you guys are serious about this lets put pride aside and do something about it eh.
Cheers

Dazed767 · Sat Feb 28, 2009 9:19 pm

Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 22):
We treat everyone equal when screening photos.

From past experience your really too busy looking at the photo and not who took it.

clickhappy · Sat Feb 28, 2009 9:29 pm

Quoting Dazed767 (Reply 38):
From past experience your really too busy looking at the photo and not who took it.

This is true, but after screening for a while I can tell you who took a picture, based on location and quality, without even looking at the name. We all have our own style, and it shows after a while.

jumbojim747 · Tue Mar 03, 2009 2:19 am

This place is surely changing .
An absence of a reply for my post from anyone let alone the people who are asking for help prompts me to just not bother with this issue .
It seems to me that no one wants to talk about it for some reason or another .

ake0404ar · Tue Mar 03, 2009 9:42 pm

Quoting JumboJim747 (Reply 37):
So Tim what does Paul Markman (Psych) have to do to get the nod ?
He may be not interested or hasn't been approached ?
If you guys are serious about this lets put pride aside and do something about it eh.

Hmmm I don't understand this, are you the spokesperson for Paul?

Vasco

jumbojim747 · Wed Mar 04, 2009 3:40 am

Quoting AKE0404AR (Reply 41):
Hmmm I don't understand this, are you the spokesperson for Paul?

No I'm not
Paul can speak for himself I'm just putting my point across.
I hope i can still do that Vasco
Cheers

Chukcha · Wed Mar 04, 2009 4:06 am

Quoting JumboJim747 (Reply 40):
An absence of a reply for my post from anyone let alone the people who are asking for help prompts me to just not bother with this issue .

Look, mate, you basically asked a rhetorical question, what kind of reply did you expect? Don't you think it wouldn't be really ethical/appropriate for the head screeners to discuss here who was interested, who has applied, who have been approached and who didn't make it?

Yes, it would be nice to have Paul as a screener, but judging by your post, you don't seem to even know yourself whether he has applied or not.

[Edited 2009-03-03 20:12:40]

acontador · Wed Mar 04, 2009 1:11 pm

Hi Jim,

Quoting JumboJim747 (Reply 37):
(Some screeners in the past have been picked up because of their excellent contributions to the forum helping people with rejections etc. )

So Tim what does Paul Markman (Psych) have to do to get the nod ?
He may be not interested or hasn't been approached ?
If you guys are serious about this lets put pride aside and do something about it eh.
Cheers

Quoting Screeners (Thread starter):
If anyone is interested please send an email to [email protected] with the subject line reading: Screener Application

Anyone can apply, but we are looking for experienced photographers and uploaders. The email should contain the following

real name
username
age
link to your photos
short description of your experience in photography
a short motivation on why we should choose you

Deadline for applications is march 31st.

ake0404ar · Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:47 pm

Quoting JumboJim747 (Reply 42):
I hope i can still do that Vasco

Sure why not, but honestly what kind of answer did you expect?

Vasco

TheDL · Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:34 am

Quoting Mjlewis (Reply 8):

Despite the loosing battles this guy is fighting everywhere else in this thread, I have to agree in part with this... Yes, I am new here too. I am not new to photography, or photo processing and graphic design. My second photo added to the database was a photographers choice on the home page.

Since then I've had a few more shots accepted and a fair share of rejections that i can live... however a couple of them just leave me wondering and scratching my head.

So I'm curious... are all screeners using calibrated monitors set at the same resolution with an airliners.net icc color profile?

Correct me if I'm wrong and don't mistake this for rock throwing, but I'm guessing the answer is no?

aussie18 · Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:46 am

Quoting TheDL (Reply 46):

If you have problems with your rejected images and dont understand why than post the images on here(start your own thread) and ask for advice/help.

Screeners are human and i assume calibrate their monitors to be as close as possible to the standard but what one screener might see another might not see and thats what can happen when they do a great job of screening serval hundred images a day.

Im sure all regular uploaders have experienced the fixing up of a rejection image like contrast or softness and re upload and than getting image knocked back for totally different reason like level etc,Its part of the fun of uploading i guess and we always dont agree with screeners decision but such is life.

Psych · Thu Mar 05, 2009 5:21 pm

Quoting Aussie18 (Reply 47):
and we always dont agree with screeners decision

Hi Mark - is it that we 'always don't agree' with screeners' decisions or that we 'don't always agree'? biggrin

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Quoting JumboJim747 (Reply 37):
what does Paul Markman (Psych) have to do to get the nod

It was kind of Alan to think of me in this context, and say as much. I am aware that I - like everyone else - would have to apply again before being considered for such a position.

For me a good screener needs various attributes and characteristics, one of which I would agree is a proven track record of support for fellow photographers in this Forum. Screeners also need to have demonstrated their own photographic abilities behind the camera lens and also technical abilities in front of their computer screens, using their editing software. Add to that a comprehensive understanding of how the site uses its criteria; a broad knowledge of aviation; (I believe) the ability to work as part of a team and - very importantly, as Tim mentioned at the outset - time to invest in the process on a regular basis.

It is quite a tall order, and I hope the guys find the right people for the job who will inspire confidence in the membership.

All the best.

Paul

NIKV69 · Thu Mar 05, 2009 6:14 pm

Quoting TheDL (Reply 46):
So I'm curious... are all screeners using calibrated monitors set at the same resolution with an airliners.net icc color profile?

Correct me if I'm wrong and don't mistake this for rock throwing, but I'm guessing the answer is no?

Less I am mistaken they all got really nice Dell monitors that were calibrated properly.

Quoting Aussie18 (Reply 47):
If you have problems with your rejected images and dont understand why than post the images on here(start your own thread) and ask for advice/help.

Whagt a concept.

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