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| Quoting Chukcha (Reply 43): With all its shortcomings and occasional hiccups, the PC is the only feature on A.net that allows the photographers decide what is to end up on the front page, and is not influenced of controlled by A.net team or DM. Wouldn't it be a shame to lose it? |
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| Quoting johnkrist (Reply 8): I have probably rejected 50 angry comments about these photos |
| Quoting IL76 (Reply 62): Quoting rotate (Reply 60): Really? Could you please explain. Check for yourself. Quite normal (double?) shots of an IranAir A310 up there. |
| Quoting rotate (Reply 63): I dont click anymore on pictures from Iran and Russia taken by this certain group of photographers .. |
| Quoting cpd (Reply 18): I actually don't vote for any shots or look at anything in the photographers choice or the top 5. |
| Quoting rotate (Reply 63): This place has become a place of Idiots who do anything for views and "fame" .. it is getting soo ridicilous .. |
Just kiddin ... vote for the shot which is worth for voting , not like these idiots .... | Quoting unattendedbag (Reply 68): That "double" has made it to the top of the pile, even though it hasn't received a vote in 2 days. How is that possible? |
It opens a new a.net homepage. Perhaps something to mention in the 480-replies long 'report bugs' thread in Site Related.| Quoting IL76 (Reply 69): Perhaps something to mention in the 480-replies long 'report bugs' thread in Site Related. |
| Quoting derekf (Reply 70): So the PC photo doesn't exist on the database. Brilliant. How did it get the top votes when it cannot even be viewed? |
| Quoting unattendedbag (Reply 68): That "double" has made it to the top of the pile, even though it hasn't received a vote in 2 days. How is that possible? |
| Quoting derekf (Reply 59): Well it looks to me like that is exactly what has happened this week as well. It is becoming a bit of a joke the PC photo. |
| Quoting derekf (Reply 72): is in fact our fault for not voting. I see. |
| Quoting rotate (Reply 73): If i click on it it doesnt show up ... so how can people vote for it ? Ah .. the rules explain me .... what a system is that? A picture , which is actually not in the DB anymore can climb up again to the top spot ! |
| Quoting rotate (Reply 73): I am out of this thread ! I just feel stupid ... and think I am wasting my time here. |
| Quoting dlowwa (Reply 74): Perhaps you should read my explanation again. The image was deleted less than seven days ago, and in that time accrued enough votes to currently be top. In my personal view, this is an indictment of the fact that so few people voted on other images in the past seven days that it was left at the top. |
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| Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 75): Shouldn't deletion imply that it's been completely wiped out without record of it ever being there? |
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| Quoting dlowwa (Reply 74): Quoting derekf (Reply 72): is in fact our fault for not voting. I see. That the photo which is currently in top spot needed to be deleted was our fault, and what more I can do other than offer another appology, I am not sure. The fact that it was that specific photo at the top is the 'fault' of those who didn't vote for a different photo. Which one did you vote for that lost out to the current top? Is it fair to complain about a democratic process if you do not participate? |
| Quoting derekf (Reply 81): I voted for this one. |
| Quoting derekf (Reply 83): So not voting was the problem now voting only once is the problem. Sheesh! It is clear that in its current form the PC system is fundamentally flawed and is an embarrassing addition to the front page. Sadly the A.net team can't see that and are blaming the photogs for not voting rather than than those who abuse the system. |
| Quoting LGW340 (Reply 84): Nice to see this in the top 5 |
| Quoting airkas1 (Reply 85): You can help them and yourself by voting on a regular basis, it's not rocket science you know. The claim "so not voting was the problem now voting only once is the problem" just blows my mind in the sense that you can't realize by yourself that it will take more than voting just once to get this feature back on track. It's almost like you're arguing for the sake or arguing. |
| Quoting derekf (Reply 86): It was mentioned by one of team that I hadn't voted. I was only pointing out that I had in fact voted. He then pointed that voting once wasn't enough. It is simply a failure to recognize that it is those who abuse the system that are the problem - not us. |
| Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 87): Quoting derekf (Reply 86): It was mentioned by one of team that I hadn't voted. I was only pointing out that I had in fact voted. He then pointed that voting once wasn't enough. It is simply a failure to recognize that it is those who abuse the system that are the problem - not us. The abusers are just exploiting the fact that there is very little participation among the entire community. They wouldn't succeed as easily if the rest of us participated regularly. |
| Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 87): The abusers are just exploiting the fact that there is very little participation among the entire community. They wouldn't succeed as easily if the rest of us participated regularly. |
| Quoting derekf (Reply 86): It is simply a failure to recognize that it is those who abuse the system that are the problem - not us. |
| Quoting clickhappy (Reply 10): For some it seems they want the hits and the attention. Sadly for them, these loopholes are closing, and only legitimate photos will be scene under the PC section. On that note, a friendly reminder, last time something like this happened the people responsible couldn't keep their mouths shut and had to brag about it, and were handed lengthy bans. |
| Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 12): We understand the points and issues which have been mentioned and recently we have been monitoring activity in the Photographers' Choice feature. By doing that, and from your feedback, we recognise the feature does require an update. |
| Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 12): Agree with your opinion on such behaviour. Each time a vote is made the photographers name is registered, to us, it is clear in some cases the same people appear to be misusing the system. If necessary, we'll contact specific people and ask them to review their activities. |
| Quoting clickhappy (Reply 39): With regards to PC, we have some changes in the works. We will see how effective they are. If we need to adapt them, we will. |
| Quoting whisperjet (Reply 51): There are no plans to change the core principles of the photographer's choice (otherwise the name would not fit anymore). It is more about slight changes that might prevent misuse. |
| Quoting dlowwa (Reply 71): If no one votes, then a small few will be able to choose which photo reaches the top, which seems to be happening more frequently. |
| Quoting dlowwa (Reply 74): That the photo which is currently in top spot needed to be deleted was our fault, and what more I can do other than offer another appology, I am not sure. |
| Quoting dlowwa (Reply 76): A fair point Ryan, but obviously not the only complaint being aired. To address it, instead of adding it to the 480-reply Report the Bug thread, I'll add it to the page-long (really) list of requests the screeners have outstanding for DM to work on. |
| Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 78): There are some groups that have continued to misuse the system, I stated we have the logs as to who votes and even after this thread some have persisted. They'll be hearing from us and receiving lengthy bans for their misuse of the system. |
| Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 80): Misusing because they post on local message boards seeking votes and as you noted, some have multiple accounta and their IP address identifies them as such, it looks quite silly a person voting on their own shot multiple times. That is clear misuse of the system and those photographers will not be welcome to participate any more. |
| Quoting dlowwa (Reply 82): As I said, more people voting more often will make the issue a moot point very quickly. |
| Quoting dlowwa (Reply 71): How many times have those of you complaining about the feature voted in the past week? |
| Quoting airkas1 (Reply 85): but I also forget a lot that the option exists and it's only when I come across a truly exceptional photo that I think "oh, this one really deserves my vote". |
| Quoting spencer (Reply 92): I think what Derek is trying to say is sure, we can all vote but what good is it if we all vote on different photos then a group in whereversville huddle and bang 300 votes on a side on of a Cherokee?! There's, on any given day, several excellent photos that probably all get voted on but what good is it if the cheaters outnumber us 10:1? |
| Quoting RonS (Reply 93): I agree with you 100%, but now it is time to address the problem. Let's come up with ways to get people to vote. How about we come up with ways to do that, because leaving it to us is not working. I can come up with a few: 1. Everytime you upload you need to vote once. 2. Everytime you go to the forum, vote once. 3. Just have a pop-up reminding you to vote. 4. Send out FB / TWITTER reminders to vote. |
| Quoting RonS (Reply 93): I agree with you 100%, but now it is time to address the problem. Let's come up with ways to get people to vote. How about we come up with ways to do that, because leaving it to us is not working. I can come up with a few: 1. Everytime you upload you need to vote once. 2. Everytime you go to the forum, vote once. 3. Just have a pop-up reminding you to vote. 4. Send out FB / TWITTER reminders to vote. |
| Quoting JohnKrist (Reply 90): One simple remedy that more or less eliminates ghost/fake accounts is to limit who can vote. Today it's enough with one photo in the DB. If the limit is raised to 25 or even 50 photos in the DB |
| Quoting RonS (Reply 93): I can come up with a few: 1. Everytime you upload you need to vote once. 2. Everytime you go to the forum, vote once. 3. Just have a pop-up reminding you to vote. 4. Send out FB / TWITTER reminders to vote. |
| Quoting unattendedbag (Reply 96): This should be a democratic process |
| Quoting unattendedbag (Reply 96): Also, we only get one vote every 12 hours. I don't want to be limited to 1 upload every 12 hours or one post in the forums every 12 hours! |
| Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 91): The Problem: those who abuse the system The Fix: those who vote legitimately |
